Apple license Exchange Activesync - the iPhone gets true push e-mail! |
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Diehard  Group: Posters Posts: 362 Joined: 6th February 2003 From: Taunton, Somerset Member No.: 2,662 Device(s): Apple IPhone  |
it's not just about the ipod functionality. The iPhone shines for me as the best web device out there. WinMO in comparison still WAY behind, although maybe the new Opera on a VGA device might match it.
The screen res on the iPhone is amazing for web surfing too, as is the Nokia E90 to be fair. Most web pages are fine on Edge anyhow, but 3g would be great for higher bandwidth sites, for youtube and the like. The last thing I bought my iPhone for was to 'look cool'. I wanted one because it's the best device out there for me and does what I want better than any other handset! crazy notion huh 
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Mar 9 2008, 09:40
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Regular  Group: Posters Posts: 119 Joined: 3rd June 2006 Member No.: 192,972 Device(s): XDA Oribt, MDA Vario III |
On the whole I am a non mac lover, but then my hatered for them has been built up over 3 years of supporting them in a publishing environment.
I did look at the iphone when it came out as I was using teh XDA Orbit at the time, however the lack of 3g, gps was a big no for me. The other MAJOR thing is how Apple treats its customer base, not more than 3 months since it was released, they released a bigger version, no extra features just a bigger storage. I can understand doing that after its been out a year, but how pissed would you be if you bought it, 2 weeks later out of the blue a bigger version comes out and you cant change to it? Perhaps when the new revised European friendly version comes out, and Jobs wont shaft you for buying his kit I will look at it Kimbie |
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Mar 9 2008, 10:29
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 362 Joined: 6th February 2003 From: Taunton, Somerset Member No.: 2,662 Device(s): Apple IPhone |
what, you'd rather tech stood still so you don't get upset?
I bought an 8gb and I think it's great they've introduced more storage. |
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Mar 9 2008, 10:50
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 Hardcore  Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 2,725 Joined: 4th November 2003 From: London Member No.: 20,052 Device(s): HTC Diamond |
I think the iphone's screen is its biggest selling factor for me. Watching movies on the train on an ipod touch/iphone is streets ahead of almost any other device of similar proportions.
With 3g and directpush, I could be persuaded to switch to one. -------------------- HTC Diamond running Dutty's V1.6 rom.
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Mar 9 2008, 10:54
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 Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,265 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): Athena, Qtek 8500 |
The screen and Safari - which still seems (from what I've seen of it) streets ahead of the browsers on WM.
But, the lack of s/ware and customisation is what puts me off - although I'm sure even on WM most people don't bother! -------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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Mar 9 2008, 11:02
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 Hardcore Group: Posters Posts: 1,485 Joined: 27th February 2006 From: Milton Keynes UK Member No.: 174,863 Device(s): Kaiser, Touch, WM6 G4 Wizard |
That's also changing as we write: http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9888722-3...ml?tag=nefd.top
The next gen iPhone will have 3G, Push is here, Third party apps are on the way, It won't be long before this shapes up to be a real WM alternative (Price aside) -------------------- |
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Mar 9 2008, 11:04
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 119 Joined: 3rd June 2006 Member No.: 192,972 Device(s): XDA Oribt, MDA Vario III |
QUOTE(siksik6 @ Mar 9 2008, 11:29)  what, you'd rather tech stood still so you don't get upset? I bought an 8gb and I think it's great they've introduced more storage. No that is not what Im saying, what I am saying is you are stuck in a 1 year contract with the iphone, what I object to is the way Jobs treats the public. Same thing happened in the states, released it, 6 weeks later chopped $100 off the price, and granted they did get a rebate, but what I do not agree with is the releasing of a product then 3 months releasing the SAME product with a bigger hard drive in it. Kimbie |
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Mar 9 2008, 14:58
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 Blackjack'd Group: Moderator Team Posts: 4,184 Joined: 18th April 2003 From: Mt Laurel, NJ USA Member No.: 4,796 Device(s): Motorola Q9h/iPhone |
as I said before I believe both platforms are great depending on your preferences and needs. But I will comment on a couple of points:
1) Price isnt that bad compared to prices of phones from HTC when they first come out. I would think most people here buy non-subsidized phones as soon as they come out. I have paid MORE for PPCs than I have paid for my iPhone. And I usually wind up paying that price every 3 or 4 months to get the next phone. (I always sell my previous phone to help with this habit). 2) iPhone upgrades have been great and steady. I wish MS or HTC would put updates out as quickly as Apple. 3) Why complain about the 16GB version released soon after the 8GB? How many times does HTC do that....EVERY TIME! 3 or 4 months after I bought my Touch, the came out with the enhanced touch....then soon after the Touch Dual. You can never catch up with HTC. Soon after you get settled with one device....they introduce a new one. 4) You need to pay for Touch Updates because that is the only stream of income for that device after it's purchased. 5) I've never understood why people complain about the $100 price reduction. They are passing on their success with the phone to the consumer and because of the timing offered rebates for people who purchased recently. Isnt that a good thing? Plus with most carriers, you have 15 to 30 days to return anyway. Damn,,,I know I had one BIG point...but I forget what it was! (It was really going to wow everyone and put this in perspective!) DAMN! -------------------- Nick Cornaglia blog | photos | twitter | location | geocaching | xbox |
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Mar 9 2008, 15:30
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 Addict  Group: Posters Posts: 845 Joined: 26th November 2002 Member No.: 140 Device(s): VARIO III |
I'd like to add a bit about the closed system/no software expansion on the iPhone.
How is the current situation any different from when the first WMSmartphone (the orange SPV) was released? Back then there was no way for users to put together their own software packages and run them on their phones, then some users managed to get around the certificate problems and finally Orange opened the flood gates and provided a proper unlock for end users that wouldn't invalidate their warranties. Skip forward a year or five and Apple bring out the iPhone, no way to add utilities to it at all (other than those Apple give you). Then a bunch of users get around the problem and jailbreak it allowing you to run anything you like on it (and being unix/linux/darwin based there is a lot of stuff out there that can be made to work on it with very little effort). Finally Apple see the light and release the SDK allowing end users to install extra software without invalidating their warranties. Do the two stories look quite similar? Sure the Apple way of adding utilities is looking a bit more restirctive, but in the end that may end up being better for the less technically minded user in the long run, and for those that like to fiddle a jailbreak is incredibly easy to do; plus the over the air software installation method provided by installer beats the Activesync method any day. --------------------  |
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Mar 10 2008, 13:39
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,265 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): Athena, Qtek 8500 |
QUOTE(Shuflie @ Mar 9 2008, 15:30) I'd like to add a bit about the closed system/no software expansion on the iPhone. How is the current situation any different from when the first WMSmartphone (the orange SPV) was released? Back then there was no way for users to put together their own software packages and run them on their phones, then some users managed to get around the certificate problems and finally Orange opened the flood gates and provided a proper unlock for end users that wouldn't invalidate their warranties. I agree. In 5 years time the iPhone might be worth a look 
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Mar 10 2008, 14:14
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 115 Joined: 18th October 2007 Member No.: 312,408 Device(s): Vodafone V1615 (Tytn II) |
I'm quite bored of hearing about the iphone, to be honest. Particularly the UI.
You know what? The thing about the UI is, it's just a UI. You use it to get the job done. Some UI's are more intuitive than others, and when you first come across something quite slick and thought out like the iphone it's impressive, but after that it's just the thing you do to make a function happen, and that's the end of it. So when you're done playing with it, and you know how to do everything, it's no different to the average WM device. Except it is different, because the chances are it does less. So they're going to get Exchange support some time in June - well whoopee, but the thing is, my Kaiser's had that since October when I bought it. And because WM isn't a bad UI, despite being not as certifiably amazing as the Iphone's, I'm quite capable of using it. I can also surf at broadband speeds pretty much anywhere, use Tom Tom in the car, send a picture message, copy and paste, expand my memory, edit documents, use a real keyboard, handwrite, take video, delete a single SMS, etc etc... the full list of extra functionality is really quite staggering when you go over it. And yet we keep being fed this mantra that phones were nothing before the iphone... It all has a touch of the Emperor's new phone to me. |
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Mar 10 2008, 14:35
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Diehard Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 325 Joined: 2nd August 2003 Member No.: 11,831 |
QUOTE(Boinng @ Mar 10 2008, 14:14) I'm quite bored of hearing about the iphone, to be honest. Particularly the UI. You know what? The thing about the UI is, it's just a UI. You use it to get the job done. Some UI's are more intuitive than others, and when you first come across something quite slick and thought out like the iphone it's impressive, but after that it's just the thing you do to make a function happen, and that's the end of it. So when you're done playing with it, and you know how to do everything, it's no different to the average WM device. Except it is different, because the chances are it does less. So they're going to get Exchange support some time in June - well whoopee, but the thing is, my Kaiser's had that since October when I bought it. And because WM isn't a bad UI, despite being not as certifiably amazing as the Iphone's, I'm quite capable of using it. I can also surf at broadband speeds pretty much anywhere, use Tom Tom in the car, send a picture message, copy and paste, expand my memory, edit documents, use a real keyboard, handwrite, take video, delete a single SMS, etc etc... the full list of extra functionality is really quite staggering when you go over it. And yet we keep being fed this mantra that phones were nothing before the iphone... It all has a touch of the Emperor's new phone to me. AGREED !  To me the iphone is a boring device... however to some its a "great" device. 2 camps on either side.... take aim .... FIRE Nah .. seriously each to their own! But I dont say the WM is great, but it does what it says on the tin (for me!) and I guess that is what matters. whether you are into Music on the go, or watching films on a train, or doing business activities on a WM, you have 2 tools to choose from. |
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Mar 10 2008, 14:38
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Diehard Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 325 Joined: 2nd August 2003 Member No.: 11,831 |
QUOTE(Confucious @ Mar 10 2008, 13:39) I agree. In 5 years time the iPhone might be worth a look Double agree! For me its not that interesting.... maybe in a few years time, a new device may be on the Horizon .... google phone perhaps
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Mar 10 2008, 16:13
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 362 Joined: 6th February 2003 From: Taunton, Somerset Member No.: 2,662 Device(s): Apple IPhone |
I was VERY disappointed with the Kaiser. It really needs a better res screen, 320x240 is not enough for web surfing, no matter how smart the browser.
Add on a fiddly keyboard, lack of 3d hardware, and the speed (didn't think it was very fast at all tbh). Plus, 3.2mp camera? Don't make me laugh. My iPhone takes better pictures than my mate's Kaiser! (the iPhone camera is actually pretty good considering it has no AF / Flash) Didn't try the video recording, but if it's anything like other winmo phones, that's not saying a lot. Don't get me wrong, i'm not Winmo bashing, I would LOVE a kaiser with a 640x480 screen, decent cam with video capture, would be amazing Just frustrated with the lack of progress. Let's hope Sony Ericsson change that later in the year |
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Mar 10 2008, 17:01
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 115 Joined: 18th October 2007 Member No.: 312,408 Device(s): Vodafone V1615 (Tytn II) |
I think the screen and display driver issues are the only thing you can really pick on the Kaiser for - and nobody ever claimed it was any more than a QVGA device. Video is something the Iphone does better, but that's just one thing, and not a priority for everyone.
I'm very happy with the speed generally - I think it's a very snappy device. Of course your mileage may vary, depending on the ROM you're using (mine's the stock HTC), and everyone needs to install the "slow scrolling" fix for PIE which shouldn't be the case, but in general it's fast. The camera - well the viewfinder has issues in low light, but it's actually a very good cam in my experience. It's 3.2mp, it has autofocus, and that all makes a difference. The Iphone pictures I've seen don't impress me much, but then there's no reason why they should, it's a simple snapper and works as such; the Kaiser's camera is actually capable of much better pictures, with a little extra care. The keyboard? Well what can I say, the Kaiser has one! Like most reduced-size qwertys on phone-sized form factors it's only as fiddly as you are inexperienced with it - after you become accustomed, it works well, and is infinitely more comfortable and satisfying to use than a virtual keypad on a non-responsive surface. IME, anyway. Any phone, not least the Iphone, is a compromise. While the Kaiser owner may have to put up with reduced quality video, it's worth remembering all that they get in return:
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Mar 11 2008, 12:37
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 409 Joined: 18th August 2004 Member No.: 53,335 |
I've got to admit, that after years of switching between PalmOS, WM and Symbian, and still hating all the iPhone hype and Jobs' dictatorial control, I've succumbed to buying an iPhone.
Why? 1. Because the reasons I stuck with PalmOS so long, and spent countless hours tweaking WM, trying every flavour of device, front end and gizmo to improve the experience, is that there was always something getting in the way of it just doing the job. Like tiny buttons. stylii, endless fiddly menus, slow responses & freeze-ups. Either the screen either too small, or the case too big. Fonts either far too small to read or wasting screen space from being too big with nothing in between (e.g. RealVGA vs. QVGA idiocy). 2. The iPhone is a complete breathe of fresh air. Tap an icon, and it just works. You can do everything with one need a finger (or two). No silly bits of plastic or d-pad required. For reading mail, ebooks or web pages it's out of this world. Move around the page with your finger - no silly scroll bars here. Text too small or to big? Instantly expand/compress continuously scalable zoom with two finger "pinch". Want a wider view? Flip it on its side for automatic landscape. Email is fully rendered HTML, not some psuedo corrupted fascimile. IMAP management is easy, with full one-finger drag and drop amongst folders. 3. Sure. it has no 3G, but as a result the battery life is superb - even with WiFi on. Switching between GSM and WLAN is seamless. If I need big downloads, I have the choice of all Cloud and Fon hotspots. 4. Little things like the screen automatically using the right brightness for its surroundings, Visual Voicemail, and Bluetooth automatically going into discoverable mode when you open its setting menu, fullbackup and restore even after a hardware reset. 4. Application loading and switching is fast. Like the old days of Palm, touch an icon and it's there (because it uses state saves and resumes instead of trying to keep everything running all at onces). No spinning icons,, no lockups, no memory full errors or silly task managers. 5. I've spent too long with WM, PalmOS and S60 and as a gadget freak I'm bored of the way they work. Sure, there are new front ends like Touch and Mobile Shell, but they're just superficial kludges with the same old stuff underneath. Even with the top end devices, there's no real "buzz" like you got with your first PDA - the user experience is just the same as your last one. The iPhone is new, ground up, so is exciting for an early adopter. Jaibreaking and unlocking is one click away. It's a hacker's challenge so is attracting a large 3rd party development community (I've never seen any other platform with so much genuinly useful freeware so soon). 6. YouTube and BBC iPlayer. 7. Now that O2 have upped the allowances (600 minutes + 500 texts + unlimited data for £35), it's actually good value (e.g. against Flext/WnW 450 minutes OR 900 texts + data for £32.50). Forget the "£899" nay-sayers - presumably that means they get their network time for free? The iPhone itself costs no more than a SIM free mid-range WM PDA/Smartphone, but it's _so_ much more fun to use. The release of v2.0, App Shop and the SDK should make the future even more exciting. Irrespective of the platform, if we didn't get a kick out of that, we wouldn't be hanging around here, would we? This post has been edited by Metoo: Mar 11 2008, 13:13 |
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Mar 11 2008, 13:12
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Hardcore Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 2,725 Joined: 4th November 2003 From: London Member No.: 20,052 Device(s): HTC Diamond |
I tired out bbc's iplayer on my daughter's ipod touch over the weekend. Awesome.
I am happy with my Kaiser but I am going to get the wife an iphone for her birthday. Don't tell her though! -------------------- HTC Diamond running Dutty's V1.6 rom.
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Mar 11 2008, 13:16
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 398 Joined: 25th August 2004 Member No.: 54,173 |
"Horses for courses" I couldn't agree more
I'm also with the previous poster "metoo" on this one, except I'm on 02 Simplicity, I pay £15 a month for 200 Texts and 200 Minutes, and I can cancel at anytime with only 30 days notice. Add £7.50 bolt on for unlimited (200M) EDGE/GRPS. My SIM works in both my iPhone and 02 XDA, but I rarely use the XDA now. You can buy an iphone from an O2 shop for £269 (8GB version), take it home, no signing of contracts at all. You then need to activate it, via Itunes they say to setup a contract, wrong. Google for Ziphone which is free Forget the expensive contract, Ziphone can jailbreak, unlock and activate an iPhone in minutes for use with any SIM so all those knocking the iPhone for it's expensive contract, take note. Once Ziphone'd you can install all those freebie 3rd party applications, which include an MMS application "SwirlyMMS" 0.3 (send and receive MMS now), and a simple Video Recorder "ShowTime" (although only 4 seconds, early days until Drunknbass releases his version). Apologies if I break any forum rules regarding encouraging the hacking of phones, but knocking the iPhone device itself just because money hungry network providers want a hefty contract is unfair. The iPhone has a 600Mhz processor, 8GB of built in storage, a great touchscreen interface, web experience, and iPod. It also has Video-out capabilities so watching movies, youtube or BBC iplayer on your TV is simple with the right cables £270 is about the right price for something that lacks 3G or GPS, but delivers something different from anything else out there. "Don't knock it til you've tried it". I was sceptical, tried one in an O2 shop, and wanted one. This post has been edited by paholman: Mar 11 2008, 13:26 -------------------- |
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Mar 11 2008, 13:33
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Diehard Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 325 Joined: 2nd August 2003 Member No.: 11,831 |
QUOTE(paholman @ Mar 11 2008, 13:16) "Horses for courses" I couldn't agree more I'm also with the previous poster "metoo" on this one, except I'm on 02 Simplicity, I pay £15 a month for 200 Texts and 200 Minutes, and I can cancel at anytime with only 30 days notice. Add £7.50 bolt on for unlimited (200M) EDGE/GRPS. My SIM works in both my iPhone and 02 XDA, but I rarely use the XDA now. You can buy an iphone from an O2 shop for £269 (8GB version), take it home, no signing of contracts at all. You then need to activate it, via Itunes they say to setup a contract, wrong. Google for Ziphone which is free Forget the expensive contract, Ziphone can jailbreak, unlock and activate an iPhone in minutes for use with any SIM so all those knocking the iPhone for it's expensive contract, take note. Once Ziphone'd you can install all those freebie 3rd party applications, which include an MMS application "SwirlyMMS" 0.3 (send and receive MMS now), and a simple Video Recorder "ShowTime" (although only 4 seconds, early days until Drunknbass releases his version). Apologies if I break any forum rules regarding encouraging the hacking of phones, but knocking the iPhone device itself just because money hungry network providers want a hefty contract is unfair. The iPhone has a 600Mhz processor, 8GB of built in storage, a great touchscreen interface, web experience, and iPod. It also has Video-out capabilities so watching movies, youtube or BBC iplayer on your TV is simple with the right cables £270 is about the right price for something that lacks 3G or GPS, but delivers something different from anything else out there. "Don't knock it til you've tried it". I was sceptical, tried one in an O2 shop, and wanted one. Errr.... but I did try one.... and I hated it! And as you said.... £270 for something that lacks 3G and GPS.... hmmmmm think I would have held off and waited for a revised model or the Google Phone which is going to give the iPhone a good run for its money. I have someone here and all I see now as I look over his shoulder is a ton of grease marks on the screen... and LOL as I write this he is just using his shirt to clean it But each to their own.... I am not sure comments about hacking and making "public" use of tools to hack an iPhone (or any other phone) outside its legal contract is a good comment. People may take a dim view on this matter.  Paul the owner of Modaco or the forum moderator(s) may be able to answer this! |
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