A Rant about HTC |
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 Jul 25 2006, 16:25
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Regular  Group: Posters Posts: 61 Joined: 1st October 2004 Member No.: 58,746  |
Why do they keep changing fcuking memory card formats! I keep having to bloody buy a new card every time get a phone from these people. Mini SD from my C500 to SD for my M500 now micro bloody sodding SD for the M3100. STOP IT YOU FREAKS! GRRRRRR...........
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Jul 25 2006, 17:02
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 Sugarcubes?  Group: Posters Posts: 754 Joined: 13th March 2003 From: London, England Member No.: 3,456 Device(s): MDA Vario II |
I agree. At first I though, oh well, the M3100 uses MicroSD but at least I can justify upgrading to a 4GB MicroSD card and use my SanDisk 2GB as a flash drive. Only problem is I can't find anything larger than 1GB MicroSD. And I can't even use my existing 2GB SD card until someone release a larger MicroSD.
I suppose that the smaller the card is, the more features can be squeezed onto the device. If I had to choose between WIFI with a microSD slot or just a SD slot without having built in WIFI it would be MicroSD all the way. -------------------- |
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Jul 26 2006, 14:25
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Newbie  Group: Posters Posts: 49 Joined: 22nd October 2003 Member No.: 18,943 |
Sandisk are supposed to be releasing a 2gb MicroSD card this year although I'd reckon that means Q1 2007.
-------------------- Philips Savvy, Sony J5, Siemens SL42e, SPV, SPV E200, SPV M2000, SPV M3100, HTC Touch Dual.
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Jul 26 2006, 21:32
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Diehard  Group: Posters Posts: 330 Joined: 25th January 2005 From: London - U.K. Member No.: 106,723 Device(s): MDA Compact 3 |
Why dont they just put a Micro Hard Disk in their devices FFS !!
-------------------- JAM version 5 is gonna be soooo sweeeet :D ....
All Band & All Data = like the Tytn !! Super Hi Res Screen = in 2008 ? Yup, like the Raphael !! Super Fast CPU = like the Kaiser !! Super Long Life Battery = in 2009 ? Built in GPS Sat Nav = like the TyTn !! Television & Radio Reception = in 2008 ? Yup, like the N96 !! Playstation Emulator = in 2008 ? Yup, like N-Gage !! 5MP Camera with Flash & Zoom = in 2008 ? Yup, like the G800 !! 128GB Storage = in 2010 ? Even Smaller & Lighter = like the Xperia X1 !! Cant wait to keep upgrading :) |
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Jul 26 2006, 21:57
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 Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 432 Joined: 13th August 2004 From: Manchester, England Member No.: 52,814 Device(s): c600 & m500 |
Because ofcourse HTC devices are already amoungst the most power hungry. No, the reason they change memory cards is to keep the memory card market growing. I cant see a huge difference especially in pocket pcs of putting a sd/minisd/microsd in. Its very annoying agreed but its all about money.
-------------------- QUOTE "Your pony died because it wasn't pretty enough" -- Jeremy, PurePwnage Phone History: Nokia 3330 -> SPV -> Nokia 7210i -> SPV c500 -> SPV m500 -> SPV c500 -> SPV c600 Phone Future: The next SPV that has WiFi - come on Orange! |
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Jul 26 2006, 22:02
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 Staff Team Leader  Group: Admin Team Posts: 17,035 Joined: 24th November 2002 From: Southampton Member No.: 53 Device(s): C550 and JasJar |
The newer formats are less power hungry which give you a better battery life, unless you want to go back to the E200 days when 24hrs was good.
-------------------- 3 mobile where the words "customer" and "service" only exists in the dictionary
Smartphone and PocketPC History SPV, E100, E200, C500, C550, C600 (MoDaCo Edition), MPX200, MPX220, MIO8380, Voq Pro, Lobster 700, JasJar, Vario  New and updated Smartphone History Life's too fast can I get off and walk for a bit? I used to be top poster....... |
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Jul 26 2006, 22:11
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 Hardcore Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 1,521 Joined: 22nd August 2005 Member No.: 145,647 Device(s): 8500 amongst others... |
QUOTE(Xenzo1990 @ Jul 26 2006, 22:57)  Because ofcourse HTC devices are already amoungst the most power hungry. No, the reason they change memory cards is to keep the memory card market growing. I cant see a huge difference especially in pocket pcs of putting a sd/minisd/microsd in. Its very annoying agreed but its all about money. Unless HTC made memory cards I can't see how they'd benefit. I can see how a full size SD slot on the HTC StrTrk would look out of place and pose some packaging issues though. Horses for courses. I would find a standardized 'one size fits every device' micro SD a pain to use with a PPC as well. The Wizard with it's external mini SD slot is a pain to eject cards from also with my less-than-delicate fingers. Richard -------------------- '....It's been out in Japan nearly 3 weeks - where's yours?'
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Jul 26 2006, 22:19
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 432 Joined: 13th August 2004 From: Manchester, England Member No.: 52,814 Device(s): c600 & m500 |
Yeah. I can imagine with the smaller cards and big fingers
 Yeah, but changing cards helps carriers. For example - Orange retail memory cards to people who choose not to pick them up cheeply from MobyMemory. Or perhaps HTC are evil people who want to see people spend money? I can't see size issues. The card readers in the devices aren't massively different in size.
-------------------- QUOTE "Your pony died because it wasn't pretty enough" -- Jeremy, PurePwnage Phone History: Nokia 3330 -> SPV -> Nokia 7210i -> SPV c500 -> SPV m500 -> SPV c500 -> SPV c600 Phone Future: The next SPV that has WiFi - come on Orange! |
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Jul 27 2006, 07:53
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 Enthusiast  Group: Posters Posts: 154 Joined: 30th April 2003 Member No.: 5,266 |
just a side comment but i thought the m3100 had changed its format to minisd when it increased the cpu from 300 to 400mhz... i havent seen anything confirmed, ie pics of the slot or what ever...
miniSD is small enough, i feel like the microsd is to fragile... im getting all excited about the m3100... it seems to be the first "complete" all in one device. |
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Jul 27 2006, 09:29
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 Addict Group: Posters Posts: 537 Joined: 18th February 2004 From: Netherlands Member No.: 33,109 Device(s): Vario-C500-P4350-Touch |
I fully understand. had SD on mpx200... then 512mb mini-sd on my C500... then another 512mb added when I changed to te Vario... but needed more room... so finally bought a 2Gb mini Sd.... (so now I have 1 x 2GB & 2 x 512 Mb) and if I change to the Tytn there won't even be a 2GB microSD available yet
 if they want to keep the market healty. Let them make sure that swithing formats won't be a big loss in storage room. Pigo -------------------- Blackness....
Orange SPV C500 T-mobile MDA Vario HTC P4350 HTC Touch ... life is good (with my HTC devices) |
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Jul 27 2006, 09:37
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 Professional Group: Posters Posts: 631 Joined: 1st January 2006 Member No.: 165,239 Device(s): Samsung i900 |
They have changed it because they have run out of PCB (circuit board) space.
Previous generation (wizard/tornado) used OMAP chip with integrated GSM. Now they have to use separate processor / UMTS chipset. They had to slightly enlarge the device, but that was not enough to accomodate increased number of chips, so they had to switch to even smaller SD card format, and also eliminated separate audio jack. Remember, Universal was first UMTS device, and remember of what size it was. BTW due to increased amount of chips, less intergration and more power-hungry processor battery life was reduced nevertheless (almost 1.5x times compared to previous generation). This post has been edited by Ingvarr: Jul 27 2006, 09:40 |
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Jul 27 2006, 10:03
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Addict Group: Posters Posts: 537 Joined: 18th February 2004 From: Netherlands Member No.: 33,109 Device(s): Vario-C500-P4350-Touch |
so the new generation is gonna be more powerhungry then my wizard?
 then why the hell did they switch processors? Pigo -------------------- Blackness....
Orange SPV C500 T-mobile MDA Vario HTC P4350 HTC Touch ... life is good (with my HTC devices) |
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Jul 27 2006, 10:08
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Professional Group: Posters Posts: 631 Joined: 1st January 2006 Member No.: 165,239 Device(s): Samsung i900 |
Why they did switch processors?
1) a lot of people complained for "slow 200 MHz processor". Now they got 400 Mhz one, but for a price of more power consumption. 2) currently there is no suitable single chip that will have joint 3G/UMTS and CPU inside, like OMAP did for GSM/EDGE. So they had to use separate UMTS chipset and separate processor, and from separate processors Samsung one is not a bad choice. Thats just a payment for increased features. More features - more power hungry. Since battery lifetime was basically decreased to how it was with Magician/S100/S110 (and they are still popular), it was considered acceptable. But of course, if you dont need 3G so much, and prefer battery lifetime over processor max speed - just stay with Wizard/Tornado, it will save you a lot of money 
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Jul 27 2006, 10:30
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 Timelord Group: Posters Posts: 1,590 Joined: 6th September 2003 From: Gallifrey Member No.: 15,319 |
I thought Paul had said that he has seen two different Hermes versions one with a mini AND the other a micro SD slot?
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Jul 27 2006, 10:35
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Professional Group: Posters Posts: 631 Joined: 1st January 2006 Member No.: 165,239 Device(s): Samsung i900 |
Maybe. I didnt say sticking miniSD into it was impossible. Hovewer it does not mean it was as good as with microSD.
For example, since he didnt see internals of it, we cannot be sure, that, for example miniSD version had to have smaller internal antenna, and so signal quality was poorer that of microSD version, etc. It seems that in the end it was decided to stick with microSD - for not one major, but several minor reasons (smaller size - easier on PCB, less power consumption and new aggressively promoted standard). I dont like it myself. In fact I dont like at all the current industry tendency that a "good" device have to have all possible features crammed into it, leaving you virtually with no choice but to buy an expensive and "fad" swiss knife, while you would need more specific and classical instrument for your specific needs. This post has been edited by Ingvarr: Jul 27 2006, 10:40 |
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Jul 27 2006, 13:39
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 Regular Group: Posters Posts: 112 Joined: 16th July 2006 From: UK Member No.: 198,287 Device(s): Orange SPV M500 |
It is mildly annoying that whenever I replace a device, I have to replace the external memory as well ... however, I find that the technology of memory cards is progressing at such a speed that I would probably want to replace it anyway due to the bigger amounts of memory available . For example, when I had my C500, the 256MB Mini SD was one of the biggest around . When I upgraded to my M500, I didn't have to replace it because of compatability ( the M500 takes full size SD ) but, I did want one of the much bigger capacity cards that had become available for less money than I originally paid for my 256 MB card, so I replaced it anyway.
With external memory now retailing at around 2 pence per meg I don't have that much of a problem in upgrading it from time to time. As to internal HD - I personally wouldn't like this , as it (a) has moving parts, and could break , and (b.) limits the amount of memory you can have and (c.) makes it harder to swap data between 'phones and would probably make data transfer to and from a PC slower than using a card reader. Cheers, Dan This post has been edited by danwatson1974: Jul 27 2006, 13:40 |
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Jul 27 2006, 19:15
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 330 Joined: 25th January 2005 From: London - U.K. Member No.: 106,723 Device(s): MDA Compact 3 |
True .... they need to have an in-built 4Gb SD card instead !
And then a MiniSD slot as extra 
-------------------- JAM version 5 is gonna be soooo sweeeet :D ....
All Band & All Data = like the Tytn !! Super Hi Res Screen = in 2008 ? Yup, like the Raphael !! Super Fast CPU = like the Kaiser !! Super Long Life Battery = in 2009 ? Built in GPS Sat Nav = like the TyTn !! Television & Radio Reception = in 2008 ? Yup, like the N96 !! Playstation Emulator = in 2008 ? Yup, like N-Gage !! 5MP Camera with Flash & Zoom = in 2008 ? Yup, like the G800 !! 128GB Storage = in 2010 ? Even Smaller & Lighter = like the Xperia X1 !! Cant wait to keep upgrading :) |
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Jul 28 2006, 12:19
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Professional Group: Posters Posts: 631 Joined: 1st January 2006 Member No.: 165,239 Device(s): Samsung i900 |
Unfortunately, there is no space for that.
Magician had SD, but it had no UMTS and no WiFi. |
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Jul 28 2006, 12:39
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 112 Joined: 16th July 2006 From: UK Member No.: 198,287 Device(s): Orange SPV M500 |
The funny thing is that I rarely actually need all of the memory that I buy to put into my 'phone
 Music goes on my 4GB Samsung YP-Z5 , so the only thing I relly use the memory in my 'phone for is storing pictures that I have taken with the inbuilt camera, the occasional movie , which I can easily get down to somewhere between 256MB and a 1/2 gig, backup of all my contacts etc, and a few word and excel documents! I think that it's more of a status symbol than anything else
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Jul 29 2006, 01:16
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 330 Joined: 25th January 2005 From: London - U.K. Member No.: 106,723 Device(s): MDA Compact 3 |
True ..... but you'll agree that having more memory than you need is a LOT better than having less !!
Anyway, after having Orb revealed to me, (god bless this forum!) I could in reality get by with just the crappy 64Mb builit in RAM No wait, I still need about half a Gb for TomTom Whatever, www.orb.com ROCKS !! This post has been edited by Perfectionist: Jul 29 2006, 01:18 -------------------- JAM version 5 is gonna be soooo sweeeet :D ....
All Band & All Data = like the Tytn !! Super Hi Res Screen = in 2008 ? Yup, like the Raphael !! Super Fast CPU = like the Kaiser !! Super Long Life Battery = in 2009 ? Built in GPS Sat Nav = like the TyTn !! Television & Radio Reception = in 2008 ? Yup, like the N96 !! Playstation Emulator = in 2008 ? Yup, like N-Gage !! 5MP Camera with Flash & Zoom = in 2008 ? Yup, like the G800 !! 128GB Storage = in 2010 ? Even Smaller & Lighter = like the Xperia X1 !! Cant wait to keep upgrading :) |
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