Dual SHOCK - is this the best Windows Mobile device ever?, + Touch Dual 20 key unboxing! |
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 Dec 12 2007, 13:01
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 The Main Man  Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,098 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage  |
It's no secret that I'm not a huge fan of the original Touch.
Despite it's great form factor, I felt the lack of memory was killer, the screen looked poor and wasn't responsive enough, and the lack of 3G was a show stopper for many people. So, when HTC announced the Touch Dual, I found it hard to get excited  That was then, this is now... and i've been using a 12 key Touch Dual for a couple of weeks now. WOW, what a device. Really! OK, so there's no WiFi or GPS and the camera is standard 2 MegaPixel HTC fare... but it is a seriously sorted machine, and probably the best Windows Mobile device ever made - some claim eh? So, what works? Although the screen is 2.6" (as opposed to the more common 2.8"), it is sharp, responsive to Touch and this coupled with the tweaks and improvements to TouchFlo finally make it a worthy and excellent addition to the base OS. Once you've had a dual with a 12 or 20 key keyboard, you'll probably find it hard to go back... it makes life SOOO much easier! Battery life is pretty decent, it now has 3G and for those of us with flat rate data plans, the lack of WiFi is largely a non issue. Besides, if they gave us GPS, WiFi and a good camera... what could they improve on next time? I'm really interested to hear from other Touch Dual owners, to see if they agree with my assessment! My 12 key unit has been kidnapped by my wife (who swears by T9 anyway, so it was love at first sight), and i've bought a 20 key version, which I unboxed this morning in the video below. I'll have full reviews of both devices coming up, but in the meantime, if you have any questions about either device - hit me with them  P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Dec 12 2007, 13:07
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 |_-_-_-_-_-_-_| Group: Moderator Team Posts: 1,807 Joined: 31st December 2004 From: Near Norwich, UK Member No.: 104,092 Device(s): T-Mobile MDA Vario III |
Is this the phone where you have 2 ways sliding keyboard?
I'm getting bamboozled with all of the mobile names and I can't remember which's which!
-------------------- - Tony Sutton
- My Ford Focus ST170 car - Using MDA Vario III with 6GB MicroSD card - Got Phone, GPS and WiFi together? Sign up & Make Money with Navizon! |
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Dec 12 2007, 13:08
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,098 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
Nah, that's the Pantech Duo Smartphone
P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Dec 12 2007, 13:45
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Enthusiast  Group: Posters Posts: 170 Joined: 6th January 2004 Member No.: 27,411 |
QUOTE(Paul (MVP) @ Dec 12 2007, 13:01)  It's no secret that I'm not a huge fan of the original Touch. Despite it's great form factor, I felt the lack of memory was killer, the screen looked poor and wasn't responsive enough, and the lack of 3G was a show stopper for many people. So, when HTC announced the Touch Dual, I found it hard to get excited ;) That was then, this is now... and i've been using a 12 key Touch Dual for a couple of weeks now. WOW, what a device. Really! OK, so there's no WiFi or GPS and the camera is standard 2 MegaPixel HTC fare... but it is a seriously sorted machine, and probably the best Windows Mobile device ever made - some claim eh? So, what works? Although the screen is 2.6" (as opposed to the more common 2.8"), it is sharp, responsive to Touch and this coupled with the tweaks and improvements to TouchFlo finally make it a worthy and excellent addition to the base OS. Once you've had a dual with a 12 or 20 key keyboard, you'll probably find it hard to go back... it makes life SOOO much easier! Battery life is pretty decent, it now has 3G and for those of us with flat rate data plans, the lack of WiFi is largely a non issue. Besides, if they gave us GPS, WiFi and a good camera... what could they improve on next time? ;) I'm really interested to hear from other Touch Dual owners, to see if they agree with my assessment! My 12 key unit has been kidnapped by my wife (who swears by T9 anyway, so it was love at first sight), and i've bought a 20 key version, which I unboxed this morning in the video below. I'll have full reviews of both devices coming up, but in the meantime, if you have any questions about either device - hit me with them P [Edit: I somehow managed to upload my 4:3 video to YouTube in widescreen, i'm re-uploading now...] <center><object width="640" height="480"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZVMBF6TYeZA&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZVMBF6TYeZA&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="640" height="480"></embed></object></center> love it love it love it had the Touch on contract from T-Mobile for a while and just ached for a keyboard..............bought the Dual SIM FREE and unlocked and boy what an improvement on the Touch in virtually every way............... i have the 12key, Paul, where did you get your 20key version?? i now run a TyTn II for work and a Dual for my private social mobile - best thing i can say is that a small, thin, sexy slider that is really a Pocket PC with no compromises is available...............and Wifi is not much of a miss really................ Mark |
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Dec 12 2007, 13:53
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,098 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
eBay from Hong Kong!
P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Dec 12 2007, 14:27
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Newbie  Group: Posters Posts: 14 Joined: 4th November 2004 Member No.: 63,587 |
I picked up my 20 Key dual on a layover in Hong-Kong last week. Wow, wow, wow. I was giving up my HTC Excalibur (which was an awesome device in its own right!) but the touch simply blows it out of the water. Its the 'funny' little things which really sell the Dual:
It looks nice - it's plain and small, and very pocketable It feels nice - Numerous people have commented how nice it is to the touch (ha!) The gallery is fantastic - for fobbing off those snobby iPhone users ;-) The sliding action is satisfying - a nice sold movement The build quality is fantastic - no creaks, everything is solid I've found myself using touch-flo much more often than I had expected. While I was at first dubious about going from a QWERTY smartphone to a 20 key device, I'm starting to train my fingers and have not doubt that given another week I'll be fairly close to my old speed. The only slight annoyance is that you can never quite tell if text entry is going to start in XT9 or ABC mode EDIT: Typo This post has been edited by derosnec: Dec 12 2007, 14:29 |
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Dec 12 2007, 14:31
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,098 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
Ditto TouchFlo, I use it loads now!
P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Dec 12 2007, 14:52
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 Regular  Group: Posters Posts: 82 Joined: 28th January 2003 From: midlands Member No.: 2,395 Device(s): Orange HTC Touch Dual |
Love mine to bits too. It's so easy to live wit hand is pretty quick too. Battery life is acceptable but would welcome an improvemnt if possible.
Ps: Are you going to do a debrand pack now that you have a device Paul?
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Dec 12 2007, 14:58
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,098 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
Mine is already debranded
If I get hold of an Orange device (unlikely), then I will! P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Dec 12 2007, 15:37
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 9 Joined: 16th March 2005 Member No.: 117,546 Device(s): SPV C500 |
I Love it,
Used to have a C500 on orange and got on ok with it, loved the idea but the dust issue just meant it was terrible in sunlight. I have been using a E61 for the last 15 months on a twelve month contract as i was finding it very difficult to leave, i think one of the best nokia phones for a long time. The Touch Dual is something else. went on a Twelve month contract with orange and so far I am extremely impressed. A friend bought the TYTN II a few weeks ago, and yes it is the business! but darn does it look big and cumbersome, The onscreen keyboards are great, i'm finding I am using them alot more for entering longer text, and using the keypad for quick texts. the memory runs the phone so well, and i'm almost suprised to see that theres 10 programmes open when I go to close them. I will be installing TOMTOM on it when i get round to it tonight, and after it working so well on the E61 i will be hoping for simular performance. I am so glad I came back to Windows Mobile. Oh and the touch flo system works amazing, surprising how quickly you just get used to it. Opera works a treat for scanning round massive desktop websites too. Well done HTC, can't wait to show my device off. |
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Dec 12 2007, 15:56
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 Regular Group: Posters Posts: 112 Joined: 28th July 2007 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 282,809 Device(s): TyTn II |
Any chance on this phone coming to the other side of the pond? I would really like to have a "backup" to my kaiser, and I am really looking hard for a relatively compact suretype WM device. Perhaps the Shadow would suit me better, although I despise having a carrier branded phone. Just curious if you may have heard anything for those of us that need a quad band here in America. Thanks Paul.
-------------------- Tired of waiting for the Tilt, Kaiser, P4550, 8925, Vario III, TyTn II.
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Dec 12 2007, 16:04
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,098 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
Not heard anything about an official release there?
P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Dec 12 2007, 16:14
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 No.1 the larch  Group: Posters Posts: 963 Joined: 26th November 2002 From: Herts, UK Member No.: 103 Device(s): (SPV,E200,C500,Qtek9100)Vario2 |
I'm not lucky enough to own one yet, but I got my brother-in-law to bring one home from work for me to play with for a weekend. I love the form factor and was worried I wouldn't like the data entry coming from a Vario II, so wrong was I, 2 days just wasn't enough, I think my brain found the Touch Dual way of doing things a lot easier, especially when I let it do it's predicting stuff.
Screen and TouchFLO turned out a lot better than my expectations. Not bothered about losing WiFi as it's got 3G and since using 3G I've sort of forgotten about it. GPS, got a BT TomTom mouse so not missing out there either, plus it means it won't gather dust when I upgrade as it still has a use. So blown away I definitely know what I'm getting in the new year, I'd be getting one now but I'm in the middle of selling and moving house, which as you all know ain't cheap. -------------------- Interesting Times
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Dec 12 2007, 17:47
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 Blackjack'd Group: Moderator Team Posts: 4,193 Joined: 18th April 2003 From: Mt Laurel, NJ USA Member No.: 4,796 Device(s): Motorola Q9h/iPhone |
423 EMAILS!!!!!
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Dec 12 2007, 18:03
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,098 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
Yeah, i'm pretty well on top of them atm
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Dec 12 2007, 18:07
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 Hardcore Group: Moderator Team Posts: 8,218 Joined: 9th April 2003 From: Coventry, UK Member No.: 4,510 Device(s): HTC Touch Dual / SPV E650 |
I've got a Dual on Orange contract and there's not that much branding that it bothers me.
What has impressed me the most is that this is a proper PPC with the ease-of-use of a Smartphone. Since GPS / WiFi is only of marginal interest at the moment I'm thinking of this as the ultimate WinMo device. -------------------- First 48 Hours with a Smartphone ? Go here
Installing skins & other software MoDaCo Plus ! - join here Orange Official SPV Application Unlocking "What shirt am I wearing bro ? Are you serious ?" Jermaine Beckford 14th January 2008 |
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Dec 12 2007, 18:15
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 64 Joined: 15th February 2004 Member No.: 32,500 Device(s): S730 |
All this talk of not needing WiFi because you have 3G is ok if you are in a coverage area. Which I'm not, at home
 .So the S730 wins - I've switched from a Vario, wanting something smaller, so having the keyboard helps the transition away from touchscreen. And it's 60 quid cheaper, though Orange had some tempting deals on the Dual that so nearly dragged me away from T-Mobile! |
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Dec 12 2007, 19:10
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 Regular Group: Posters Posts: 52 Joined: 1st August 2004 From: london Member No.: 51,538 Device(s): C500, M500, C600, E650 |
absolutely love mine. a debrand kit would be great though. the one for e650 worked a treat Paul so cheers for that. the only thing that really pisses me off is when entering text tapping the 2 key defaults to a "c" and not an "a" in xt9 mode for some stupid reason. otherwise its quality.
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Dec 12 2007, 19:21
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Enthusiast Group: Posters Posts: 176 Joined: 30th July 2005 Member No.: 141,775 Device(s): E71, Touch Dual |
QUOTE(Paul (MVP) @ Dec 12 2007, 13:01) [i]OK, so there's no WiFi or GPS and the .... So you're telling me you can't release a tweak pack to enable GPS & WiFi?? Very disappointing. So far so good with my 20 key version although it hasn't gone out of the house yet. I managed to lose the included screen protector down the back of the sofa but found it again now! |
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Dec 12 2007, 19:31
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,098 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
QUOTE(rav1patel @ Dec 12 2007, 19:10) absolutely love mine. a debrand kit would be great though. the one for e650 worked a treat Paul so cheers for that. the only thing that really pisses me off is when entering text tapping the 2 key defaults to a "c" and not an "a" in xt9 mode for some stupid reason. otherwise its quality. Yeah, that annoys me, and is one of the reasons I went for the 20 key I am gonna try and fix that tho, it must be possible P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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