The official HTC P6500 'Ask Paul' thread |
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 Apr 9 2008, 18:15
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 The Main Man  Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,039 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage  |
It's big, it's bad (well, actually it's quite good)... it's the P6500!
 Here's your chance to question me on the HTC semi-ruggedized behemoth that makes up for in specifications for what it loses in asthetics! The P6500 features...
 The HTC P6500 is £528.99 in stock now at devicewire.com. P  -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Apr 9 2008, 19:06
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 Addict  Group: Posters Posts: 807 Joined: 29th November 2002 From: Sheffield Member No.: 279 Device(s): V1615 |
Geez that's massive! Surprised your MacBook took the weight.... But I have somehow just realised that i NEED that fingerprint reader.... maybe on the next model!
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Apr 9 2008, 19:13
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Addict Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 744 Joined: 19th November 2003 From: London - UK Member No.: 21,445 Device(s): HTC TyTN II |
Still no VGA?
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Apr 9 2008, 19:15
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,039 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
VGA would have been the icing on the cake.
Mmmm, 3.5" VGA I would have been tempted to switch device  P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Apr 9 2008, 21:16
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 Hardcore Group: Posters Posts: 1,065 Joined: 27th December 2002 From: Norwich (ish) Member No.: 1,434 |
I think you should take a pic of you making a phone call on it paul :-P
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Apr 9 2008, 22:49
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 Regular  Group: Posters Posts: 112 Joined: 28th July 2007 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 282,809 Device(s): TyTn II |
That phone is absolutely massive. I had no idea of it's size while looking at its spec sheet a few months ago. I would also like to see a picture of you holding it up to your ear.
-------------------- Tired of waiting for the Tilt, Kaiser, P4550, 8925, Vario III, TyTn II.
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Apr 10 2008, 00:45
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Newbie  Group: Posters Posts: 20 Joined: 15th November 2007 Member No.: 322,603 Device(s): HTC Touch Dual plus Loox 720 |
QUOTE(xorangefirex @ Apr 9 2008, 22:49)  That phone is absolutely massive. I had no idea of it's size while looking at its spec sheet a few months ago. I would also like to see a picture of you holding it up to your ear. This phone is ideal for that retro Michael Douglas in Wall Street look. Plus, it probably weighs so much that just holding it to ear in turn several times a day will save on a gym membership! For me, its about the difference between a workphone and a home walkabout for the weekend. My Touch Dual's best feature is that is looks quite like a cheapie PAYG from a distance and doesn't attract the attention of inner city neanderthals. In addition, the TD is jeans friendly - you would look very pleased to see someone with a P6500 in your trousr pocket! I imagine the 6500 probably slips into a suit pocket or perhaps a belt case. |
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Apr 10 2008, 07:39
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 21,039 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
Remember the target market people.
Actually, it fits in my jeans pocket alright... and is a damn sight nicer than most other semi-ruggedised PPCs i've used P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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Apr 10 2008, 13:08
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Addict Group: Posters Posts: 573 Joined: 10th May 2007 Member No.: 254,928 Device(s): HTC P6500 |
QUOTE(hotphil @ Apr 9 2008, 20:06) But I have somehow just realised that i NEED that fingerprint reader.... It's annoying. It's a gimmick. It was on my Ipaq 5450 4 years ago.... I turned the feature off after 3 or 4 days as I couldn't change the timeout period for the lock and I'd forever have to change hands to get one of my 'enrolled' fingers to actually swipe properly. By virtue of swipeing down the sensor it collects dirt and dead skin and needs cleaning quite often otherwise it doesn't scan properly. It can only store 5 fingerprints at a time. Useful for data encryption etc but as a device lock I prefer a password. Other than that I still think it rocks ( quite literally - you could use it as a rock to bash someone trying to mug you etc :-) Still trying to get a barcode scanning app to work though. M.S This post has been edited by Mysterious Stranger: Apr 10 2008, 13:09 |
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Apr 10 2008, 17:11
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 74 Joined: 6th March 2004 From: Denmark Member No.: 35,333 |
QUOTE(Mysterious Stranger @ Apr 10 2008, 13:08) It's annoying. It's a gimmick. It was on my Ipaq 5450 4 years ago.... I turned the feature off after 3 or 4 days as I couldn't change the timeout period for the lock and I'd forever have to change hands to get one of my 'enrolled' fingers to actually swipe properly. By virtue of swipeing down the sensor it collects dirt and dead skin and needs cleaning quite often otherwise it doesn't scan properly. It can only store 5 fingerprints at a time. Useful for data encryption etc but as a device lock I prefer a password. Other than that I still think it rocks ( quite literally - you could use it as a rock to bash someone trying to mug you etc :-) Still trying to get a barcode scanning app to work though. M.S Do you honestly believe that nothing has happend in 4 years in terms of technology? I'll bet you that it's the same kind of fingerprint scanner found on laptops these days because they are really small and pics up every time you swipe your finger (at least on 3 Lenovos in my household) This post has been edited by Amplificator: Apr 10 2008, 17:12 |
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Apr 10 2008, 17:33
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Addict Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 744 Joined: 19th November 2003 From: London - UK Member No.: 21,445 Device(s): HTC TyTN II |
QUOTE(Amplificator @ Apr 10 2008, 17:11) Do you honestly believe that nothing has happend in 4 years in terms of technology? I'll bet you that it's the same kind of fingerprint scanner found on laptops these days because they are really small and pics up every time you swipe your finger (at least on 3 Lenovos in my household) Quite, I agree. Also the design of the fingerprint readers is intended that the first bit of your swipe action actually removes crap off the sensor. I have two Thinkpads here with fingerprint security, both work VERY well...sure they misread SOMETIMES, but overall, i'd say 95% of the time, it just works as intended. |
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Apr 10 2008, 18:37
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Addict Group: Posters Posts: 573 Joined: 10th May 2007 Member No.: 254,928 Device(s): HTC P6500 |
QUOTE(Amplificator @ Apr 10 2008, 18:11) Do you honestly believe that nothing has happend in 4 years in terms of technology? I'll bet you that it's the same kind of fingerprint scanner found on laptops these days because they are really small and pics up every time you swipe your finger (at least on 3 Lenovos in my household) In terms of fingerprint reading technology? No. What makes you think the technology has changed dramatically? Fingerprints haven't ;-) The readers in consumer electronics still use passive capacitance sensors - the software apps may have changed but the sensor is still the same tech it was when used 4 years ago by HTC with the same low resolution scans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprint_a...ion#Capacitance They are no smaller now than they were then, and it looks exactly the same with the gold bar on the silver strip. QUOTE(Syphon Filter @ Apr 10 2008, 18:33) Quite, I agree. Also the design of the fingerprint readers is intended that the first bit of your swipe action actually removes crap off the sensor. I have two Thinkpads here with fingerprint security, both work VERY well...sure they misread SOMETIMES, but overall, i'd say 95% of the time, it just works as intended. Well, I've had a p6500 for 2 weeks and as I've said I find it gimmicky and have disabled it as it can't scan my fingerprints reliably...due to accumulated sweat'n'skin on the hard to clean sensor perhaps. I too have laptops with fingerprint sensors - I'm using a HP nc2400 right now. Works fine on this as the sensor is angled in a valley so swiping does indeed clear the sensor. M.S This post has been edited by Mysterious Stranger: Apr 10 2008, 19:07 |
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Apr 12 2008, 02:59
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 112 Joined: 28th July 2007 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 282,809 Device(s): TyTn II |
To be entirely honest it would be cool to have a fingerprint scanner, but it really is absolutely unnecessary. If they are similar to laptop scanners then it will work perfectly fine and perhaps Mysterious has had an incident with acid or was born without proper fingerprints. Stranger things have occurred.
-------------------- Tired of waiting for the Tilt, Kaiser, P4550, 8925, Vario III, TyTn II.
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Apr 12 2008, 10:09
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 Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 23 Joined: 20th March 2005 From: Birmingham, UK Member No.: 118,340 Device(s): Loox T830, Orange SPV C500 |
Is there anything out there at the moment with similar specs to this but with VGA screen, qwerty keyboard and 3.5mm audio jack? The i-mate Ultimate 8502 caught my attention but it hasn't got a VGA screen, forward facing camera, SDHC slot or 3.5mm audio jack. Anything in the pipeline with anything near what I want?
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Apr 12 2008, 11:56
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Addict Group: Posters Posts: 573 Joined: 10th May 2007 Member No.: 254,928 Device(s): HTC P6500 |
QUOTE(xorangefirex @ Apr 12 2008, 03:59) To be entirely honest it would be cool to have a fingerprint scanner, but it really is absolutely unnecessary. If they are similar to laptop scanners then it will work perfectly fine and perhaps Mysterious has had an incident with acid or was born without proper fingerprints. Stranger things have occurred. No fingerprints? could be why I'm so0000 mysterious... It worked fine for the first week then it got annoying, like I said. The way they work is pretty basic, we have more complex ones at work ( that actually take an image and compare to a database rather than 'read' resistance accross a panel during a swipe to make up a numerical value / map) and I can get in to work fine every monrning sadly:-( My laptop one is also fine - it's curved though so a swipe will clear the sensor. The P6500 one is flat and has grooves for dead skin to gather in. M.S |
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Apr 12 2008, 18:34
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 20 Joined: 15th November 2007 Member No.: 322,603 Device(s): HTC Touch Dual plus Loox 720 |
[quote name='Mysterious Stranger' date='Apr 12 2008, 11:56' post='888541']
No fingerprints? could be why I'm so0000 mysterious... Perhaps you just really like pineapples - pineapple workers often lose their fingerprints due to the keratolytic effect of bromelain. http://bodd.cf.ac.uk/BotDermFolder/BotDermB/BROM.html Seriously though, my Sony VAIO fingerprint reader is also superb and is far better than having to enter repeated passwords for secure log in to the machine and to various secure websites. A good internet experience does require more than 240 x 320 pixels and, for the cost and size of this machine, you would have thought a VGA screen should have been included. You can argue that the pixel density is high enough on a 2.6" but at 3.5", the screen area is 80% bigger. If the machine is intended for corporate use, surely a 640 x 480 screen gives a near laptop experience for data entry into commercial databases and the like. I bet HP produce a ruggedised version of the 214 soon enough. |
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Apr 13 2008, 01:35
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Addict Group: Posters Posts: 573 Joined: 10th May 2007 Member No.: 254,928 Device(s): HTC P6500 |
QUOTE(pbarclay @ Apr 12 2008, 19:34) Perhaps you just really like pineapples - pineapple workers often lose their fingerprints due to the keratolytic effect of bromelain. I didn't know that! I really do like pineapple! But when I was a teenager I started eating them for breakfast and the enzyme in them started making my tongue tingle so I stopped eating so much - seems the enzyme used to be injected into cattle to tenderise meat etc... QUOTE(pbarclay @ Apr 12 2008, 19:34) Seriously though, my Sony VAIO fingerprint reader is also superb and is far better than having to enter repeated passwords for secure log in to the machine and to various secure websites. Is it the same tech. used? ( capacitive resistance) ? Is the swipe area slightly curved? QUOTE(pbarclay @ Apr 12 2008, 19:34) I bet HP produce a ruggedised version of the 214 soon enough. From HTC no doubt. We're just guniea pigs... M.S This post has been edited by Mysterious Stranger: Apr 13 2008, 01:35 |
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Apr 24 2008, 20:32
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 4 Joined: 19th August 2007 Member No.: 290,722 |
Hi, Paul!!! Congratulations on the P6500! I've been looking to get my hands on one for aaaaages. Finally found someone in Chicago who somehow has a couple in stock and am expecting to get one.
But I've got a few questions about the phone which I hope you can answer: 1. I'm seeing conflicting reports about whether it actually has GPS or if it requires an external GPS attachment. I know that it has a port for an external GPS antenna. But do you _need_ this antenna to make the GPS work, or does the P6500's GPS work out of the box? If an antenna is required, what do I need to buy? 2. How do headphones sound plugged into a USB jack? I know that other devices use this sort of audio hookup, but I've never used one and I'm a musician, so it's something I'm nervous about. It the sound any different from what you'd get through a standard headphone jack? 3. Where and how did you get the phone? Thanks so much! I'm really excited about this phone and would be very grateful for any guidance you can give with these last few questions. Yours, Alan |
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Apr 24 2008, 21:04
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Addict Group: Posters Posts: 573 Joined: 10th May 2007 Member No.: 254,928 Device(s): HTC P6500 |
QUOTE(AEP @ Apr 24 2008, 21:32) 1. I'm seeing conflicting reports about whether it actually has GPS or if it requires an external GPS attachment. I know that it has a port for an external GPS antenna. But do you _need_ this antenna to make the GPS work, or does the P6500's GPS work out of the box? If an antenna is required, what do I need to buy? Defo has GPS - the external port is for an external antenna and the unit does not need one to function with GPS - I have co-pilot 6 running fine. M.S |
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