Fantastic new Orange Messenger, ...but whats wrong with Live Messenger that should come on my tyTN II? |
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 Newbie  Group: Posters Posts: 47 Joined: 22nd October 2005 From: Lyndhurst, Hampshire Member No.: 155,066 Device(s): Orange SPV M3100  |
 http://www1.orange.co.uk/IM/?WT.mc_id=ConM...ource=Automedon According to Orange - who kindly remove the Live Messenger application from the TyTN II ROM with their crappy customisations - you can now get a free trial until June 2008 of their 'Orange Messenger' application: after June however, you have to pay for the messages you want to send and receive. Now, I know from my old SPV M3100 (the original TyTN) that - with a generic ROM that includes Messenger - you can send and receive messages at no cost at all (bar your network connection that is) - so what gives Orange the right to charge for something that should be not only already on the phone when you get it, but should also be free to use too? ...I will eventually install a new ROM to my phone since Orange fill theirs with bloatware - however, can anyone recommend a good IM client that works with Windows Messenger and is also free? Damned if Orange are getting any more of my money for something that shouldn't cost... 
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May 2 2008, 15:04
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 Diehard  Group: Posters Posts: 333 Joined: 9th December 2004 From: Merseyside, UK. Member No.: 101,150 Device(s): Omnia, iPaq 614c, Vario II |
QUOTE(Paulplex @ May 2 2008, 14:55)  http://www1.orange.co.uk/IM/?WT.mc_id=ConM...ource=Automedon According to Orange - who kindly remove the Live Messenger application from the TyTN II ROM with their crappy customisations - you can now get a free trial until June 2008 of their 'Orange Messenger' application: after June however, you have to pay for the messages you want to send and receive. Now, I know from my old SPV M3100 (the original TyTN) that - with a generic ROM that includes Messenger - you can send and receive messages at no cost at all (bar your network connection that is) - so what gives Orange the right to charge for something that should be not only already on the phone when you get it, but should also be free to use too? ...I will eventually install a new ROM to my phone since Orange fill theirs with bloatware - however, can anyone recommend a good IM client that works with Windows Messenger and is also free? Damned if Orange are getting any more of my money for something that shouldn't cost... 5p for a message?  £1 a day or £4 a month???  I think the phrase " 'aving a larf " applies here. Come now Orange, do you seriously expect people to pay for this?
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Gadgets: Samsung Omnia i900, HP iPaq 614c, MDA Vario II, Moto MPX220 |
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May 2 2008, 15:14
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 Enthusiast  Group: Posters Posts: 174 Joined: 26th December 2005 From: Oxfordshire Member No.: 164,451 Device(s): Vario III, Nokia 5300 |
of course theres a free wlm client for windows mobile. just doenload the one that should be on the phone when you get it from xda-developers
-------------------- Aston University 2008/9 - Marketing - WOO :D
HTC Kaiser (T-Mo MDA V3 branded) - TLR 6.1 ROM, 2GB MicroSD, iGo 8 on a 515MB MicroSD, T-Mobile FlexT 25 + Web 'n' Walk Standard Acer Aspire Gemstone Blue 6920G - Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 2GHz, 3GB PC2-6400, 200GB HDD, ATi Radeon HD3650 512MB, Dolby Virtual Surround + True5.1 Output, Blu-Ray, HDMI, Fingerprint Recognition, Windows Vista Ultimate SP1, Office 2007 Pro Plus with Onenote 2007 I know what I'm doing, I'm just not doing it :) |
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May 2 2008, 15:19
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 Addict  Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 527 Joined: 26th January 2006 Member No.: 169,492 Device(s): HTC TyTN II |
Just get a copy of Palringo. Free, and does MSN, GTalk, etc.
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May 2 2008, 16:02
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 317 Joined: 31st August 2007 From: Edinburgh Member No.: 294,928 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
XDA Devs does the Live! program that Orange removed, like the poster above said
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May 2 2008, 16:34
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Addict Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 527 Joined: 26th January 2006 Member No.: 169,492 Device(s): HTC TyTN II |
Yeah, but my point is that Live sucks, whereas Palringo gives everything Live does, plus more.
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May 2 2008, 16:42
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 317 Joined: 31st August 2007 From: Edinburgh Member No.: 294,928 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
I couldn't get palringo to work when i tried, and all I really need is Live
and in my experience it doesn't suck |
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May 2 2008, 16:49
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 Peanut Brain  Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,265 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): Athena, Qtek 8500 |
You could just download it from Microsoft at http://messengergonemobile.com/ .....
-------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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May 2 2008, 16:58
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 317 Joined: 31st August 2007 From: Edinburgh Member No.: 294,928 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
QUOTE(Confucious @ May 2 2008, 16:49) You could just download it from Microsoft at http://messengergonemobile.com/ ..... No, you can't. the windows mobile section of that site just says "if you can't find Messenger in your programs folder you can still use it in Internet Explorer. So no go, I'm afraid
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May 2 2008, 17:00
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,265 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): Athena, Qtek 8500 |
So it does!
Just download it from xda then - or preferably downoad a whole ROM from there and get rid of all of O's cr*p! -------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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May 2 2008, 17:08
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 317 Joined: 31st August 2007 From: Edinburgh Member No.: 294,928 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
Agreed. Get 6.1 while you're at it.
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May 2 2008, 18:35
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Addict Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 739 Joined: 19th November 2003 From: London - UK Member No.: 21,445 Device(s): HTC TyTN II |
Me: *LAUGHS* You're a pistol, you're really funny. You're really funny.
Orange: What do you mean I'm funny? Me: It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy.*LAUGHS* Orange: what do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What? Me: It's just, you know. You're just funny, it's... funny, the way you tell the story and everything. Orange: [it becomes quiet] Funny how? What's funny about it? Random Other: Orange no, You got it all wrong. Orange: Oh, oh. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. What did ya say? Funny how? Me: Jus... Orange: What? Me: Just... ya know... you're funny. Orange: You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little ****** up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to ****** amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny? Me: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what? Orange: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the **** am I funny, what the **** is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny! Me: [long pause] Get the **** out of here, Orange! Orange: [everyone laughs] Ya ***********! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering ***** ya. Frankie, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes. You may fold under questioning. I think that about sums it up. |
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May 2 2008, 18:50
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 Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 29 Joined: 26th May 2004 Member No.: 44,556 Device(s): Atom Life |
Ahahahha! Excellent!
Finally my O contract is over. 
-------------------- Orange SPV -> Orange e100 ->SPV c500 -> c550 -> c600 -> e650 -> Atom Life
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May 3 2008, 01:42
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 Addict Group: Posters Posts: 845 Joined: 26th November 2002 Member No.: 140 Device(s): VARIO III |
Chances are that you will find that downloading the messenger app., or a full rom, won't do you any good. Messenger uses a specific port(s) to sent and receive on so O can either block or monitor the port and you'll either not be able to use it or they'll charge you anyway.
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May 3 2008, 08:00
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 The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 20,495 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): HTC Advantage |
There are, of course, ways around that...
P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Check out my Blog! £10 off a £20 spend at eXpansys - click for details |
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May 3 2008, 08:15
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 Addict Group: Posters Posts: 803 Joined: 29th November 2002 From: Sheffield Member No.: 279 Device(s): V1615 |
Oh dear. Orange just don't get it do they? Their business plan of getting people to use dozens of individual pay-per-use applications is flawed.
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May 3 2008, 08:56
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 Enthusiast Group: Posters Posts: 230 Joined: 6th September 2004 From: Leafy Surrey Member No.: 55,546 Device(s): Samsung SGH-i600 |
Blimey, if Orange honestly believe this will take off, they're even more stupid than Bottler Brown and his gang of thieving scumbags.
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May 3 2008, 09:38
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Addict Group: MoDaCo Ad Free Posts: 739 Joined: 19th November 2003 From: London - UK Member No.: 21,445 Device(s): HTC TyTN II |
QUOTE(hotphil @ May 3 2008, 09:15) Oh dear. Orange just don't get it do they? Their business plan of getting people to use dozens of individual pay-per-use applications is flawed. Mainly because people wont!! T-Mobile will be waiting with open arms now, just as they were when Flext and WnW first came out (which is when I made the jump). |
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May 3 2008, 16:53
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 47 Joined: 22nd October 2005 From: Lyndhurst, Hampshire Member No.: 155,066 Device(s): Orange SPV M3100 |
Woo - I've just realised that my post made it to the front page as a news story: thanks Paul!
...oh, and thanks for the advice about my messenger alternatives - much appreciated 
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May 3 2008, 17:09
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 317 Joined: 31st August 2007 From: Edinburgh Member No.: 294,928 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
...Christ, just saw an ad for this in my MSN window. They're making it look like it was something brand new and never done before.
We really should try and spread the word about the free alternatives so people aren't ripped off. This post has been edited by shootydogthing: May 3 2008, 17:10 |
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