Ummm, just being Devil's advocate here, and I'm sure it's an error or something with cameraware , but I wouldn't want a sig that screams 'I've been speeding officer'....

I don't know that stretch of the A140 but for an average speed of 76.9 mph, taking into account acceleration from rest and deceleration to stop, even in a straight line on a motoroway it's admitting an offence has taken place as the national speed limit has been exceeded. Providing maps of the route enables more accurate analysis and the A140 is more likely a 60mph limit than lower methinks.

Now I know my car will top 150, ( Kph? Mph? who knows ) as I have tried it on various stretches of unrestricted autobahn in 2004 and I regularly take it on tracks, and that point to point most of my journeys would be classed as 'rapid', but I wouldn't ever advertise that fact and offer proof...

Richard

NO WE DO NOT AGREE!

The site may well have been SET UP by Waggener Edstrom, aho also act for microsoft, but if you read the terms quoted above 'HTCWiki' accepts NO responsibility for content. Duh.....

Can you not understrand that? It is very clear. So anything written on those pages does not come from HTC themselves but other authors.

IT

IS

NOT

OFFICIAL!!!!!!!

Richard

Waggener Edstrom Strategic Communications = Microsoft's PR BTW.

http://www.waggeneredstrom.com/

It is a HTC setup site, just the content is not from HTC, it's from the usual internet cranks

Richard

Look better in their grey than black IMO. Might try one out next time I pop in there.

Richard.

p.s - I 'tip-off'd' this about 10 days ago? And sent a message re the news section? Is it working OK?

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Seems a pretty cast-iron 'arms length' agreement for the 'HTC' wiki there....

How anyone can assume anything posted on that wiki is HTC's 'official' line on anything is beyond me!

Richard

It may well have been setup by HTC, use their logo with permission and link to / from their site, but as it can be edited by ANYONE who registers and not just HTC themselves, as is the nature of wiki's, then it CANNOT be taked to be HTC's OFFICIAL statement about anything. In a nutshell, THEY DID NOT WRITE IT.

Has the 'fault' been mentioned on HTC's site? Then it ISN'T 'OFFICIAL'

Duuuhhh....maybe you should turn your own brain on?

Richard

Asking a bit much for a device that dates from 2004 methinks

Could it's ARM PXA262 run it? IIRC it's only got 32mb ram and 32mb rom.

Maybe if the SD card was utilised as rom like some other unofficial smartphone upgrade paths? ;)

Still, ordered one anyway to see if I get one that works this time. Notorious for issues with the GPS...

Richard

Just nosing about on medion's webpage and this bundle is now only £99! Berlimey!

Richard

I was making a point about not necessarily switching bluetooth off.



Why not set up your k800i as a bluetooth modem then and buy a dedicated nav device?



Do you have a device with internal GPS? I have - the HTC manufactured iPaq HW6510 running PPC 2003SE.

It also has bluetooth. As I have mentioned above the device's battery life when using the internal GPS is appalling - you can almost watch the battery meter tick down. Using a bluetooth GPS is actually not bad - I've just tried it. So what are you basing your assumptions on then eh?..."ths particular device would still use less power with the internal GPS than a BT GPS device, " - says who?

Richard

Yeah, cos the wiki HTC set up that anyone can edit is 'official' eh?

And where do they get 70% from? Seems an awful round figure! Doubt they've had 70% returns on those models somehow. Some aggrieved muppet with a broken device they've most likely caused, and who can get no recompense from the reseller has taken advantage of the wiki concept IMO and is likely jepordising the HTC involvement in it's future.

I've a good mind to register just to edit those comments out

Richard

Sorry, got no sp5 cosmetic bits at all

Seems a good price considering you get the keypad as well. This points to the cover being original unlike some stuff I've had from wellcome china! :-)

The reason the keypad is still in is becuase it's difficult to remove in one piece as there is no esternal frame around the buttons. If you got this one and still wanted the XDA look I'd just swop out the front perspex piece, then re-sell the remaining parts on ebay yourself. Many people want casings and / or keypads...

Richard

Paul, didn't you have one of the iPaq's? Battery life using GPS on my hw6510 is appalling.

I'd be interested if they bring out a device using cell tower assisted GPS.

Doesn't tomtom6 allow you to find other tomtom6 users as well for convey use etc?

Opens up loads of big brother stuff IMO. At the moment you could be tracked via your mobile but the process is long and convoluted and takes days for the telco's to implement coverty for a number - there are other solutions you sign up to but I don't know about them - but how easy would it be for you to be tracked if the phone used A-GPS? Like the US E-911 regulations. I'd be interested to know what else that data was used for in the current climate there.

Richard

And I was replying to you. You said 'you won't be running bluetooth' but in real world situations these devices are mainly used in cars. If you have a phone enabled devices running navigation in a car and you don't use it to make calls, why have a phone enabled device? If you do use it to make calls you'll need a car kit, and the majority of those use bluetooth these days, so you would be running bluetooth....

So, to spell out my point for you, I was replying to 'Surely you will not be using bluetooth? with a built in GPS ' to illustrate you may well just be using it for other things. Headset, handsfree etc.


Richard

You missed my point. You said you'd not be using bluetooth with a phone enabled trinity with built in internal GPS as you don't need to pair with a GPS receiver. My point was that as it is phone enabled and you have it in the car you would need a suitable carkit (in this country at least ) to use it to make calls. IF you won't make calls why get a phone enabled unit? Most people prefer the bluetooth carkit option as it negates the need for a specific wired cradle and allows future upgrades easily, hence you would still need the phone to have bluetooth on even with the internal GPS. Doesn't matter if it isn't in constant use - still affects battery life considerably.

Richard

The specs you quote for standby etc take into account the fact that cell towers are not so prevalent in the US so a GSM radio unit has to crank up the transmitting power to keep a good signal lock - as there aren't usually so many towers close by.

When I've used a UK handset in the US roaming the battery life has always approximatley halved. That was 4 years ago though so they could have built more towers ;-)

Ignore the qutoed stats for the battery in the specific handsets in different markets and look at the mAh rating. The stats for the Qtek wewre probably measured in a european contry.

Richard

Bluetooth carkit? Else why have a phone enabled sat nav in the car if you're not going to make calls on it? So it'll need a carkit

Richard

If I had to guess, I'd say it'd be one from this lot:

http://www.globallocate.com/

They already supply the onboard GPS to the HTC manufactured iPaq hw651X and hw691X, do a lot of E911 GPS locators for the US market as well as A-GPS for 3g PDA's such as the motorola A1000.

A-GPS is 'assisted' GPS and not quite the same - based on cell tower locators in use in the US. There were no applications I knew of that used it for the A1000 in the UK and the latest version of the technology uses both cell tower A-GPS and satellite GPS to provide indoor use where no satellite signal is being received.

http://www.globallocate.com/A-GPS/A-GPS_Frameset.htm

They bring out regular updates and knowing the stock market problems nokia has if it announces a handset then delays launch it may be that once announced the wheels are in motion regardless. But this handset hasn't been 'announced' yet has it? It's been scooped?...

I wouldn't call it a failed product as such. More a not-fully-featured-yet product ;-)

Richard

How so? Does it have a different APN / connection setup for licence purposes? Else how do they know what you're looking at and why you are connecting to not charge you?

Hackable methinks if so ;)

Richard

Ok, well from the review I may give the handset a miss, but out of interest did you try a t-mobile sim?
Does Virgin still use t-mob's network identifier ( 234-04 or somesuch?)?

I remember older locked Virgin handsets would happily accept a one2one (as was) simcard as well as display the network name incorrectly when used with a virgin sim, but I've neither had a virgin handset nor t-mobile sim for many years... ( oh, porting out and back in as a new customer, those were the days... )

Wonder what happens when the 10 year deal runs out eh? t-mobile have them over a barrel unless the subsequent network they go to can re-allocate capacity to virgin's identifier. Maybe Kam can help?...

Richard

Find yourself a c600 on ebay. Under £120 used or £150 new.

Richard

Yes, got some listed here:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=130030783684

Richard

How DARE they not work over the weekend or call you back at 9.01am monday morning?!?!



1) Doesn't sound like anyone but HTC can help you.
2) An idea, or maybe use the m1000 until HTC get back in touch?
3) Has your current predicament taught you nowt? Check www.expansys.com for prices of devices with warranty. eBay should be treated as a flea market. You'll get something cheap but you (hopefully) only get what you pay for, in most cases no warranty.
4) Silence can be golden.

edit - you might want to pull the JPEG with your IMEI from your post. Databases like checkmend etc allow entry of an IMEI without actual proof of ownership!!! If I was so inclined I could register your m500 then report it stolen and have it barred in the UK. Without a receipt or network paperwork it would be difficult for you to prove ownership.

Richard

Orange will pass the buck to HTC if your device is older than 6 months.

Could be that Tim's on holiday etc? I'll try emailing him directly to ask.

If there is the possibility that your device may go out of the 12 months anytime soon I'd keep trying, and printout the page showing it as under warranty. You don't want to have to point to this thread as your proof the fault happened while it was under warranty ;-)


Richard

Tried a different USB socket? Different cable? Got any pets that like chewing wires?

Richard