I and many others by the looks of it wish we could say the same, great looking phone and i love the slide out keyboard but the odds on people getting a kaiser as good as yours has run for the last six months are stacked against them, Phone is brilliant when first turned on but just seems to slow as the day progresses, as for the video driver issue not a big issue for some but for the majority of users whether they be buisness users or normal users it is an issue, its emabrssing to open video messages as they remind people of the good old days back, jerky and awful.

I could cook the ROM but then why should I or anybody else have to you wouldnt buy a car and be expected to change the engine yourself to get the best out of it

For my new best friend lozzd so that he doesnt have to search to far

OOOOOOO a HTC FANBOY Try hooking up your kaiser to your computer and then try doing something on it when its synching, By the way fanboy its my second tytn ii and its as crap as teh first one, when sonething new comes out i'll be there, whether thats a htc phone, who knows
My tytnII runs slow with nowt on it or with programmes loaded on it, check out my thread htc is pants I think i called it, I even have mem maid and pocket mechanic to try and make sure nothings hogging the memory and i still have to reset it.

Like I said great phone whens its first switched on but just gets annoyingly slow through the day, also I have noticed that when its charging it crawls along, my advice after being on my second kaiser is steer clear.

lozzd hows the acne

Steer clear my orange spv m600 is way better than my htc tytn II ( kaiser ) of which im waiting for something else to come out so that i can get rid of the tytnII, its a good phone when its first switched on but soft resets every few hours aint my cup of tea, remember you cannot view video or even watch smooth picture messages with the tytn II so my advice steer clear

Forgive the child for they no not what they want, All im after is a bleeding phone that doesnt need soft resetting at some part of the day.
I reckon orange are going to let me keep my tytn II and let me upgrade when im good and ready, tytn II great phone when its running right but for some reason it begins to crawl after a few hours, im trialling mem maid and they does seem to keep the phone in some order

I would say send it back to orange, if people just keep flashing there devices then Orange will not know that there are problems with there phones and just keep loading there devices with there cwap. So why should us the consumer have to search the internet to try and get answers on how to get our phones to function as the manafacturer wanted them to.
I have watched videos on you tube and cannot believe how quick some of the kaisers perform, theres a vid about the cube application running on a kaiser, how they got there device to run that fast beggars believe.

Set them a task of sorting out the video driver debacle on the kaiser, that should keep them quiet

Another thing i have found with the kaiser is the reception is much lower on it. At present I have one bar for Orange but if I change the sim into my old m600 i get 5 bars.

Im still waiting for it to be collected but havent got a clue what to get next

My phone is a right mare when i have it hooked up to the computer due to active sync slowing it down to a crawl, so whats your secret, this truelly is the best/worst phone i have ever had

Thats my thoughts on the issue, Ive manage to slow the phone down again bu loading the kaiser phone and calculator skin, hand on herat it took roughly 10 seconds last night to open one programme, i know that i had hit the right key because i had the programmes name at the top of the screen.
I keep looking at the orange web site to see if there any new phones coming out because I cant see me living with this phone for 18 more months.
Vids not a major issue but if people send you a MMS message you do feel a bit stupid showing the clip to other friends because the qulaity is so bad, I used to have feature films and tv programmes running on all my old devices with no hiccups at all, friends used to ask how the hell have yoou got all of those films on your phone and they used to say how good the quality was, now though its not worth putting anything on the kaiser, so my 8gb memory card will have to wait for another phone to come along.

Cheers Jim, I'll give that a go

Have you tried exploring the phone via active sync then just delete the file, if you have a shortcut that you cant remove try a programme called pocket mechanic found on sites like handango, that programme has helped me several times

Well i see I opened a can of worms, After removing the orange gump as suggested on here my phone does seem to be running fairly ok it has seemed to slow down a bit since i installed windows messenger ( havent got a clue why though ) I reckon i will be keeping it BUT thats only because orange havent got anything else on there range that tickles my fancy. The TyTN II though is lets be honest pants, it has a faster processor than all of my old phones BUT runs slower I can be typing away on the qwerty keyboard with nothing else running in the background and i can type faster than the phone can keep up, thats got to be wrong.

As for the video issues, who in there right mind will show there friends any MMS messages that they have recieved as they will just laugh at you, it reminds me of the video downloads of sky news bulletins that I used to do on my old orange spc c500. My spv m600 played video effortlessly in fact i would say it was the best video player that i have seen so far, is video that important on a mobile phone, no not really but why make a sexy looking phone if it cant even play mms messages that people send you.

I honestly cant believe how HTC have just washed there hands on this handset and like I have posted elsewhere i would be thorouhly peed off if i had paid top dollars for this device.

Internet browsing though is top notch if the phone isnt on a go slow cycle.

Overall though I think i would still say steer clear of this phone as theres always going to be something else around the corner as for HTC im sure they made my c500 which although one ugly phone was and still is a joy to own, the c600 was absolute pants, better looking phone but i went back to my c500, my m600 was good apart from the bluetooth not working correctly, one minute the BT would want to work and the next it didnt. So not sure if i will ever get a htc phone again but who knows.

My scoring
Appearance 8.5 out 10
Battery 6 out of 10
Qwerty keyboard 9 out of 10
Video playback 0 out of 10 ( Its 2008 HTC not 1950 )
Internet browsing using onspeed 9.5 out of 10
Overall for the phone and only because of the internet browsing 6 out of 10, Steer Clear

THanks for the people that have given hints,tips and advice much appreciated and keep up the good work.

If anyone knows of a good widows phone that orange stock please let us know because if you ask there sales team they havent got a clue usually just telling me what million pixels the camera has

P.S I have only used f secure once on a phone and it was pants

If i use the supplied task manager on the phone then it reports nothing is running, Iff however i use fizz monitor it will tell me that two programmes are running which it lists as being PHONE if i kill these then my phone plays up not recieving calls etc.

Have you got rid off t mobile stuff ( read the thread I posted about tytn II bring pants ) theres some advice in there that suggested getting rid of all the orange stuff when hard resetting, so far this has seemed to make my phone more responsive and im not soft resetting it 3 or 4 times a day.

Quick update after removing the orange cwap like shootydog advised the only time my phone now seems to be really sluggish when im hooked upto active sync which does have a annoyance to sync every five minutes.

Anyway I will see how i get on with it but i must admit the video driver issue is shocking.

Cheers Robert, the phone starts the day off ok and im impressed with the battery performance, Its now charging as it had even stopped doing that the other night but after a few hours i have to soft reset it, no hardship i know but not something i would expect with the spec the kaiser has.

My list of programmes installed on the phone are
Cartystudios, inc Registry tweaker ( i now know theres a free programme, but hey ho )
Efficasoft GPRS traffic monitor
Airscanner anti virus ( not the one with the background scanner as that used to slow my previous phone to a crawl and that was the only time it ran at the same speed as my kaiser )
Moblion Magicall
Karrier Inteligolf
Spb back up
Celeris Virtual pool mobile
Microsoft voice command UK PPC
Fizz software bill now
MohairSofa Calendar +
Windows live
Fizz Software fizz monitor
Fizz Software Traveller 3

Storage
Total 133.54mb
In use 31.32mb
Free 102.22mb

Program
Total 101.38mb
In use 38.91mb
Free 62.47mb

Storage card is sandisk 8GB bought from mobymemory ( i only bought it so i could store vids but my phone even struggles with MMS messages all blocky )
Toatal storage card memory is 7782.50mb
In use 561.66mb Free 7220.84

Anyway Im still seeing how i get on with it but overall after experienceing the same problems with both Kaisers i feel its a backwards upgrade and I cannot believe HTC are just letting people complain about the video and graphic performace without dealing with the issues as a good will gesture, I would be livid if i had paid for this phone but seeming as i got it for free im just seeing if i can live with it at the moment the answer is swaying more to the no side

Well it nearly lasted the day without a soft reset some programmes took about 10 seconds to open, does anyone reckon flashing it will make that much better because at the moment i reckon i would be better off going back to my old phone and just waiting for something else to come out, not sure if that would be a htc as i cannot even play mms messages without it looking awful, the m600 ( im sure thats a htc phone as well though ) plays everything smoothly but this just seems to stumble at every hurdle.

Could i revert back though if i needed to do, I even finally had my martin fields screen protector turn up this morning for it first time i have bought one because i never really been bothered to protect a phone.
Im apprenhensiver to flash the rom as i dont want to completly brick it, i have looked at xda developers and this site but i read some of the stuff and it just baffles me, i was going to see if i could flash my ornage m600 first but seeming as i may revert back to that im not sure i want to risk it.
If you could PM an idiots guide it would be really appreciated, I removed the orange stuff as per shootys advice ( cheers for that ) but my m600 still opens stuff quicker with the same programmes installed. Would the speed improve if i flash the kaiser, im not knocking the kaiser as when it works at top speed im more than impressed and i would more than happy to keep it even though im peed off regarding the video playback issue as i now have a 8gb card in it but cant fill it up.

The only programme taht i have not installed on the kaiser is the kaiser tweak ( gord knows how im going to get on when i have to call my bank or orange though and input my details when teh screen switches off.

Anyway thanks again to people on here with hints and tips so far and hopefully with your help i can get this phone to start performing

Quick aad on, Its still slow when hooked up via active sync but not as unresponsive as it was before

Cheers i definately want to keep it as its ideal for what i want it for, but i just cant put up with it the way it is for 18 more months, im removing all my programmes now so will see how i get on.
Once again thanks for the help

Just out of curiosity what network are you on, Im with orange and am now on my second tytn II, the phone seems to start the day ok but then just gets so unresponsive i have to reset it.

Shootydogthing, I quoted the wrong post above but cheers for the reply i will give that ago, unfortunately though i have spoken to oraange uk tonight and told them how dissapointed i am with the phone after being such a loyal customer to them, cut along story short they will be collecting the phone within 14 days and i can then choose another model, Im definately going to give your advice ago though because when it works I think the phone is brilliant and looks dead good, i would still be a bit diassapointed regarding the video issue but mainly want something to surf internet with, If i can get this one to work i would have no hesitation in keeping it.

Just as a quick add on when i was on the phone to orange I noticed that the bl--dy thing wasnt charging so removed battery and trying again now that im home.

Does anyone want to buy my lottery numbers for tomorrow

Yes is there anyway of stopping that stuff from loading ? I wouldnt know how to do the rom upgrade etc but the amount of orange stuff that gets loaded cant be helping it speed wise.

Dont get me wrong its a good looking phone in my eyes but if im typing a text message and its on one of its go slow periods i can hit a key and the text will not appear for about 3 to 4 seconds so the qwerty keypad is nigh on useless when this happens

Cheers for the replies, If I knew how to change the ROM etc then i would definately give it ago but for a phone straight out of the box on orange the tytn II doesnt seem to do as it advertised to do, Can any of you play video on your phones ? i keep seeing people mention coreplayer but seeming as they do not offer a free trial i will not be going down that route only to be left dissapointed. I even bought a 8GB sandisk memory card from mobymemory so that i had something to watch when bored.
My old orange spv m600 could play videoes without any hitches whatsoever yet the tytn struggles big time even with the faster processor. Everything just seems to be so slow on this new unit, I will probably try a hard reset and just install programmes one at a time to see how i get on and to see if anything is slowing it down, The phone starts the day off fine but as the day goes on it just seems to slow down, even when i check what is running on it and the task manager shows that theres nowt running i have this problem.
Oh well will have to see what happens

I have Fizz traveller, calendar plus and fizz task manger running on it, I did use Kaiser tweak to get rid of some of the annoying features like not being able to input my bank card details on the keypad due to the screen switching off. So gord knows why im struggling.

Heres a copy of the email I have just sent Orange Uk regarding my brand new brick

This is my second HTC TyTN II and personally I do not think the phone is fit for purpose, I cannot believe you have agreed to stock this phone ? Its slow in nigh on everything it does, its unresponsive when it is hooked up to my computer via active sync and I have to soft reset this device about 4 times a day which was the same with the phone that this one replaced.
After being a customer with orange since you took over hutchinson telecom I feel thouroughly let down. Try searching the internet ( which I wish I had done before getting this brick ) to see just how bad the HTC TyTN II phone is.


Anyway anyone looking at this phone after having two of them within the space of a month I would say STEER well clear

Ed.dark have downloaded you file and installed thankyou thankyou thankyou at long last that bleeding ghastly orange dialler has gone.

Now all i have got to do is find out how to make the phone respond quicker as my replacement phone is as so last as my first tytn II