No such problems with my Orange branded HTC TyTN II. Not sure that comment helps much, bar hopefully being suggestive that the O/S itself isn't the problem, but possibly the customisation on the Orange Touch Dual ( Niki ). I've not heard that specific problem, so possibly an actual handset fault, have you tried CS at all, to get their take on it ?

PS Hi mate, long time and all that

Sorry, but that's not true, Orange are trialling UMTS, but UMTS is a 3G technology and will not work on 2G systems, the trials they are doing are for their 3G system network now to be launched mid 2004.

Well, when i spoke to them last night ( i asked specifically about the P800 and 3650 ) they said p800 in test, due for february release and that they were not currently testing 3650, maybe they only started testing this week, you'd have to ask them i'm afraid, only passing on what i heard.

I did this basically because if people are feeling the same way i do then they won't be upgrading to an spv that is basically gonna be a pretty paperweight, not saying sony ericsson are a great manufacturer in the past, but then microsoft's previous hardware aint exactly top notch either, and at least the P800 and 3650 are based on a vaguely stable platform that i can develop for without incurring stupid costs to run my own programs !

I am due an upgrade on orange, i asked what handsets were currently on test and due out soon, they said panasonic gd87e ( december ) and sony ericsson p800 ( february ), mind you, no mention of nokia 3650, but surely they can't afford not to release it, anyway i chatted up one of the upgrade girls from orange, she says she going to sweet talk a guy there she knows and pump him for infomation, then give me a ring when she finds out anything, might not be the new year, but if i hear anything them i'll post, or i can e-mail if you prefer.

As for price, no projected release price yet, but on teh grapevine i've heard it should be around the same as the nokia 7650 on release ( between £200 and £250 ).

Orange are touting a february 2003 release for the P800, know this is slightly off-topic, but i thought people might care, or find the information useful.