They charge £5.95 delivery though, so Play are still cheaper @£399.99 (and are showing in stock - though might be best to ring first).

Orange stopped at the 650. Vodafone had exclusivity on the 750 and 500 for the first 12 months (i.e. the only way to get a GSM Treo was through Vodafone, SIM locked). The Treo 550 and Treo 800w have been spotted in leaked Vodafone roadmaps (for Sep 08 and Jul 08 release) so that looks likely to happen again. Other networks haven't bothered with them.

Mobile Shell 2 works fine on my 400MHz 9502, looks just like the pics on the 810 - and transforms the way I use it (plus it keeps me away from the awful D-Pad). It's much more responsive than HTC Flo - even the screen swipes seem more sensitive/reliable and animations faster. Maybe that's because the graphics are a bit less OTT than HTC's cube and the "lets try and be an iPhone" Manilla.
It's not just Shell though, the 810 also includes PocketPlus to give you the "flo" scrolling in most apps. However the Full Screen Keyboard sucks big style. What's the point of a keyboard if you can't see the page you're typing on? And there are inconsitencies with the products, e.g. the speed dials you put in the Favourites page are not replicated in the Today plugin, so you have to set everything up twice.
Not sure it's such a "first" though, didn't Eten bundle Mobile Shell (1.0) with some of their phones? And at the end of the day you've still got to deal with clunky WM underneath and Toshiba hardware. Have you seen the reports on battery life on this thing?

You make the mistake of assuming that what you see as trivial applies to everybody else. If that were the case, we would not need so many different phones as one would fit all.

As it happens, for many people the optical joystick is a real pain, mainly because of the lack of directional control for gaming and scrolling, and the imprecise control and lack of physical feedback even in d-pad simulation mode (have you ever tried to select something while driving?). BTW, if it has no moving parts, how do you press "Select"?

Physical On-Off switches are a big selling factor in the Treo line, e.g. for those who are often called into impromptu meetings.

At last, Palm have woken up to the fact that Mini-USB is essential for something that's regularly connected to a PC. Even Nokia have recognised that. I wish Samsung would do the same.

And come on Samsung, what good is a notification LED that can't tell you of a new message or event while the phone's in standby?

I'm not saying the Treo is brilliant, nor that the i780 is not (I have one) - but as an ex-Treo user I do recognise that these are features which impact significantly on daily use (or, on the Samsung side of the coin, irritate greatly) and therefore will be real factors in some people's buying decision.

Well, as good as the i780 is, I can see a few details that might swing some people the Treo's way:-

1. Proper D-Pad instead of optical sensor
2. Ringer On/Off switch
3. Wifi On/Off button
4. Extra Function buttons
5. Standard Mini-USB connector
6. Irda
7. A notification LED that works

Don't forget 4% cashback via Quidco.

I've tried several USB leads and car adapters but they all work the same as on the PC - i.e. they only put any charge in when the phone is on standby.
In all cases, the red light was on, and WM was indicating it was connected to external power and charging.
But hardly any charge seems to go in at all (I've never achieved the magic green light), and worse still, if GPS is on, the battery drains quite quickly.
Defeats the whole object if you get to your destination and find your phone battery is flat!

The same leads work perfectly on other HTC and i-Mate devices - even with GPS running.

Anyone tried the "official" dedicated car charger lead, or found another lead which will actually top up the Samsung properly while doing in car SatNav?

Err, did you even bother reading the last two posts?
Anyway it's acedemic as the deal has expired, and eBuyer's price is also back over £320. Best prices now seem to be around 240-260 (exc. cashback)

The HP is worse than most other WM phones - simply because of that horrendous pink tinted stripe which seems to plague them all. Unless you're on drugs, who wants all their skies coloured purple?

Don't these suffer from appalling battery life and a serious bug that means the network stays disconnected if it loses the 3G signal?
Or have these issues been fixed?

Oh, and the concencus on HUKD is that using £40 discount promotion (for signing up to email) would mean you won't qualify for cashback (as the T&C say offers cannot be combined).

The Samsung connector was revised for the G600/i780 etc and is much better. Battery life on the i780 is as good as any other PPC phone too, despite the 624MHz CPU. So I'm not to worried about that on the G900 with its beefed up battery. I expect battery life (+speed + cost) is one reason why they've kept the screen lo-res too. Shame it puts it below the iPhone which it apes, and the current crop of VGA HTCs. 800x480 would have been sweet...

All you have to do with Garmin XT is insert the card and it installs itself (hence this thread). Assuming you have the legitimate version of course. If not, then we can't advise you here, you'll just have to Google.

True, but that then makes it harder to reinstall if you regularly switch devices or applications, or need to restore after a hard reset. That's why on my SD card I keep 2577.garmin, 2577.copilot. and 2577.ttn, plus a directory with CAB files for all my other favourite apps.

Can it display DAB Text or EPG?

Try renaming the "2577" directory on your storage card to something else (e.g. 2577.garmin) disable the auto install.

Constantly refreshing all that extra RAM drains the battery too - and unlike the Backlight/GPS/WiFi/Blueooth etc, that's something you can't turn off.

£429.95 at Mobilefun too with delivery in "7-14 days". Still, by then Expansys will be laughing all the way to the bank having flogged all their dodgy imports (still advertised as "version: UK") to eager punters. Don't forget at one stage they even jacked it up another tenner to £504.95 (+ postage) to fleece their customers even more. And they still won't own up to exactly what "warranty" you are getting. Certainly not the kind of company I would trust with any of my future business - and it's not helped by sites like this being complicit in the deception (note how, unlike Coolsmartphone, MS Mobiles etc., Modaco has not carried any news item, nor commented on the grey import issue, something to bear in mind when looking for that "objective" view).

Don't forget the HTC EU warranty is for 2 years. So far Expansys have kept a stony silence when asked how long their warranty is for, or what arrangements are in place to cover extra shipping times and cost. Even now, they are still advertising it as a UK model, despite it being widely exposed as an unapproved import. This isn't a cheap device. Any purchasing decision and warranty assurance requires a certain amount of good faith in the dealer. Personally, I can't see how Expansys are earning that at the moment.

Another aspect to consider is the suggestion that the official UK shipments (e.g. to Devicewire) have been put back in order for HTC to fix critical software issues. Early user feedback suggests that there are plenty of issues to go at. Is it wise to jump in now with a grey import with buggy firmware, at an inflated price, especially when support from the manufacturer is so uncertain?

As long as you're aware that these are grey imports from HK intended for NW-PCS and not official UK versions as Expansys claim. Lots of hoo-hah with Expansys deleting threads in their forums that expose the lie and point out the potential pitfalls for those impatient souls who have coughed up their hefty price.

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4083.html and other commentary on xda-dev etc.

No point rushing though, the problems have already started appearing:-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397764

The Diamond is already in stock Expansys - albeit at a hefty premium.
I've gone back to my trusty E90 as my main phone after dallying with the G910 and 9502. That latter had a serious bug in that it would often lose the network (O2) when on stand-by, that's not something I can afford to happen. I've no real bias for the OS - I love the tweakablity of WM but also the way S60 just works without ever loading hacks or going near a registry editor. Plus it has way the best camera (for video too) and that great wide screen. The latest firmware make it as responsive as any WM machine (apart from the i780, which I use if I want something ultra compact to carry around).

Personally I think the Diamond is overrated and is just an attempt to mimic the eye candy of the iPhone and its imitators. AFAIK it was originally intended as a low end start to HTC's new range so the way the price has jumped up because of the hype is just a rip-off IMO. But as you can probably tell from my other device choices, I much prefer something with a more business like design - i.e. that gets the job done without silly gimmicks. Plus, if you're still looking at video, games and music, the lack of a memory card slot on the Diamond, and only 4Gb on board, is a real shortcoming.

I'm not a gamer myself so I'd have to let someone else make comment as to the best device for that. However I would say one immediate flaw of the 9502 (perhaps one of its biggest) is that the D-Pad is cheap and nasty, with an uneven shape that makes it very hard to use the Up button. That might impact quite severely on gameplay.

So it would seem, especially that darn Caps key Mind you, it's not just you who has trouble (check the end of the vid)
http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/4441/#5


It wasn't me who was asking about games or video. Perhaps you could give decalingo some more feedback as requested?
As for making fonts bigger, you're nearly there, but again you're missing the point. If the screen had been stretched to accomodate the extra pixels, the fonts wouldn't have to be so small in the first place.
The nonsensical thing is, if Samsung can fit a 3.5" 240x400 display into the i900, why couldn't Sony/Tosh have done the same with 480x800? It would have made the thing so much more usable (especially on the G910).
http://www.pconline.com.cn/coolshow/new/mo...05/1300096.html

You miss my point entirely, but then I wouldn't expect you to get it if you've never tried using such a screen. The phone, or OS, has nothing to do with it. I'm merely pointing out that squeezing 800 pixels into a 3" frame is a wasted opportunity, when the whole experience can be made so much better by just a modest stretch of the screen. The G910/E90 comparison here and G910 pics here show just how tiny a 3" WVGA screen is in real life (approx 65 x 45mm - cut some paper out and see for yourself).

Another factor is that by squeezing in those extra pixels and the widescreen format without significantly increasing screen dimensions, fonts are smaller than on 2.8" VGA, making WM's "normal" text even harder to read, especially at a distance (e.g. on a desk or car dash).

I don't deny that technically the higher res means you can cram more into one page, but like I said, the actual benefit in real life over VGA for me was marginal - especially when you consider the CPU and battery overhead incurred, WM's lack of support for scalable fonts, and the physical limits of how small text can before it becomes a strain to read.

@decalingo - there is extensive feedback on the G910 on the Expansys forums. For someone who wants a smaller HTC Universal or E90 style clamshell, it's a nice design, in theory. But it has lots of shortcomings. If you want to play games, have any kind of video performance, or listen to music (or anything) out of the speaker, forget it. If you do try it, make sure you buy from somewhere with a decent returns policy in case the "quirks" make it unusable for you.

Having used 2.8" VGA, and 3" WVGA (G900/910) extensively, I can honestly say the jump in usability between the two isn't that great.
OK you're getting a third more horizontal pixels, but IMO it's a mistake to try and squeeze them into virtually the same space.
The pixels are so much closer together and 2.8" VGA is already pushing the limits of what most people's eyes can see.
My experience was that 3" WVGA is simply past the point of diminishing returns.
That's why many people who want high res have tried the Etens, 9502, G900/910 and the like, and gone back to the E90 (including me).
There's little point in cramming a web page or terminal screen onto a tiny display unless you can read it comfortably - and for that, you still can't beat the Nokia.
Like the Actress said to the Bishop, the extra inch makes all the difference.

WM is designed that way, so that switching between frequently used applications is more or less instantaneous, rather than waiting for everything to load from scratch (try that, and you'll see how slow WM really can be).
It's hangover from the days when early PPCs were trying to compete with the fast response times of Palms. However, now post WM5 devices load applications from slow Flash memory instead of RAM, it's just as imprtant as ever. You can use a good task manager (e.g. PBar) to specify which apps should close and which should stay in memory, or something simple like HTC close which will minimise on tap but close on tap and hold. On a device with 128MB RAM (i.e. not the P750) you never really have to worry about it.