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Dismantling / Disassembling HTC Kaiser / Tilt / 8925

Ok, the keyboard arrived today and I already exchanged it.

Everything works except for the fact that I now do not feel any buttonfeedback when I press the buttons. Only the softkeys give the tactile feedback I expected. All the other keys are now kind of very hard to press but they work....maybe it will change once all the buttons have been pressed several times.

It's not what I expected but at least I can use the keyboard again....

Yeap, but since then my keyboard works only partially....no softkey-buttons work anymore...

Also the backspace-button has no function either...

My problem was that I could not unwind 2 of the 4 last screws and therefore had to kind of pull the keyboard out and later back in....the problem must be there.

So I will try to get better tools until the new keyboard arrives.

Luckily I did not pay for my Kaiser...otherwise I would have beaten myself for wrecking it...

Ok, the keyboard finally arrived this morning and I spent the last 1/2 hour disassembling and reassembling my Kaiser.

I had the whole device in single pieces when I realized that the dummy keyboard will not work as it is thicker than the one it should replace and also would need to be cut to fit in nicely. Not even the single characters could be replaced...so I had to reassemble my device without the new keyboard in...

Damn you, HTC!!!

Does anyone know where I can get a WORKING QWERTY (or even better: QWERTZ!) keypad for my Kaiser?

EDIT:

Ok, I have now ordered a fully original QWERTY-keypad for US-$ 9.99.

*uff*

GREAT!!

Can't wait to get the keyboard...

Did you find the keyboard?

Shame about the keys...I could really use them...

The Tilt does not sport the default QWERTY-keyboard and therefore supports no specialcharacters such as ä,ö and ü.

Here's the Tilt-keyboard:

http://www.geekz1.com/images/news/atttilt.jpg

...and here's the default QWERTY-keyboard:

http://www.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploa...r-tytn-ii-1.jpg

Do you see the difference?

The @ and the !-sign are in different places for instance (as are many others).

I do now hear you say "so what? Just set the keyboard to German (in the registry) and you're fine". But it is not that easy...or maybe it's just me being too picky.

I CAN set it to german but then I:

- Get a Z when I press the Y-button on the keyboard (and vice versa)
- Do not get the FN-Symbols which are printed on the keyboard-buttons

It is just cosmetical...that's all. And I do not want to try to find the FN-Symbol I am looking for by randomly pressing some buttons with the FN-key.

The HTC-QWERTY and QWERTZ-keyboards do both feature the "äü"-print on the spacebar which enables you to simply type an "A" and hit the spacebar with the FN-button pressed and you can get an ä or à or whatever..

I really don't understand why they skipped that on the Tilt...especially since the Tilt-spacebar does not have any FN-Symbol assigned to it!

So all I want is the default HTC keyboard which works for me.

I got no problems setting the keyboard to english....because then (with the new keyboard) I could use the spacebar for ä, à etc. and get all the other FN-symbols printed on the keyboard-buttons.

Are you with me?

And beside all that, the Tilt-keyboard with its white numberbuttons is ugly...

Do you now have the default Kaiser-Buttons in use or not?

If not I could use them too...

WOW!!!

You can send me the whole dummy instead of throwing it away. I could in fact use the frontplate-buttons...

If this costs more then sending the keyboard only I will gladly pay.

Reg. the one screw:

What was the problem? Did you not find the screw or what prevented you from loosening it?

EDIT:

Maybe this helps...?

HTC Kaiser Disassembled

Good Day

VERY interesting!!

...and actually exactly what I was looking for.

I got an AT&T Tilt and need to replace the keyboard with either a standard HTC QWERTY or (even better) a QWERTZ-keyboard.

2 questions:

1. Were you able to disassemble the device as far that you could replace the keyboard?
2. Would you sell me your dummy's keyboard?

Thanks for getting back to me on this.

Regards from Switzerland,
kl1wdr

Good day

Let me give you my feedback on some quotes of you:

You are right - the interface is great. I've played with a friends US device and loved the way it worked. But what it does "out of the box" is all it will ever really do.

Ehrm sorry, but this is not entirely true. You can, although "illegaly", already install additional apps and games onto the iPhone. Things like FTP, NES-Emulator and much more are not only wishful thinking anymore.

Yes, I agree, you have to kind of "application unlock" your phone to be able to get this things, but hey, is it not the same with a lot of software for WM-devices?

Furthermore Apple keeps pushing out FW-updates which add some features. I am sure the MMS-thingy is just a matter of time until it will be integrated. But yes, you are right...it IS a shame they skipped that in the first release. I agree that this is a very basic feature EVERY phone should have nowadays.

For me the real killer is that the keyboard is awkward, and QWERTY is now a requirement for me.

Well, yes...I partly agree with you on this. I am also a huge fan of proper "hardware-keyboards" but I still prefer the iPhone's keyboard over a PPC's SW-keyboard (I never grew to like them....not even in all these years).

There's plenty for MS (and others) to learn from, but this is "just" a consumer phone. Not the sort of device I need.

True, it is just a consumer phone....but did Apple ever claim this device to be a smartphone? I don't know....proof me wrong, but I can't recall them saying that.

Expensive is one thing - my imported I600 cost about £275 SIM-free, that's not cheap in my book - but £270 for the phone PLUS at least another £630 for a contract is just a rip off. We all know it will sell, but we all also know that it's not value for money.

I have to TOTALLY agree with you on that, BUT:

I would NEVER get this phone with a contract (NEVER, do you hear me?). I got it from ebay for US $ 450.--...without any contract...just the phone. As soon as I get it (next week) I will bypass the AT&T activation and unlock it.

Before you yell:

Yes, I know, this is not the way it should go but this is the only way to get the iPhone relatively cheap. I don't care about the hacks I have to run before I can use the phone....I kept doing these things for years now (with WM-devices).

Having seen the videos, that alone was enough for me to KNOW that the user interface is AMAZING. Truly so. But just as I say in my Blog post, it's STILL a Ferrari F50 with a 750cc Smart Car Engine, given the EDGE issue (again more in my Blog post).

True...but I PERSONALLY do NOT need internet connectivity on the road.

Additionally, have YOU actually had a play with the iPhone yet...

Yes, I indeed have had a play with it.....twice....and I had enough time to explore the device.

If so perhaps you would offer comment as to the lack of MMS/Picture Messaging it allegedly suffers. And I'm thinking something a bit more productive than "not everyone uses mms".

Well, I am sorry, but I can't help you here. As I wrote above:

"I am sure the MMS-thingy is just a matter of time until it will be integrated. But yes, you are right...it IS a shame they skipped that in the first release. I agree that this is a very basic feature EVERY phone should have nowadays."

Still, I PERSONALLY do not care but I fully agree with you that this is an absolute no-go...

Even to those who can madly, and foolishly ignore that it has no 3G, as it does have the slower EDGE, so CAN still go on the net (just, at slow speeds, in only 30% of the UK by population density on launch), ask yourself is it right to have a phone that does not have certain PHONE features such as MMS?

Look....I only use the WWW on my mobile devices, when I am on WiFi....this is how it works for me. I have not yet felt the urge to instantly having to go online when I am on the move (perhaps this comes down to myself not being on trains etc. but driving a car and working on a PC daily). I work on a PC all day and got internet connection - I work on a PC @ home and got internet connection.

When I am in the living room and want to check my e-mails, I quickly login using WiFi. Same goes for situations when I am at my GF's parents or at my own parent's house. They all got WiFi....

So basically everywhere I mostly am I got WiFi....and in the rare situations with no such connection I could easily live with having only EDGE.

But coming back to your quote:

Yes, I agree....such a device actually cries for a proper access to the WWW. No doubt about that....

And if you love it as an iPod, get yourself one - the iPod Touch (the same basic device without the phone features), is to launch BEFORE the iPhone itself in Europe. So it sounds to me by what you are saying, that an iPod Touch, is far more suited to what you want.

Nope, not at all. I do not really see the sense of an iPod Touch, sorry.

The only advantage over the iPhone is the 16GB of storage, is it not? I already got a 80GB iPod and I use it everyday in my car without any intentions to get rid of it.

I should probably mention that I am a fan of all-in-one-devices. Therefore it would make absolutely NO sense of having an iPod Touch. I'd rather have an iPhone which can do more and also has a phone built in. I want to carry ONE device which can do everything I want/need.

Switzerland must be different to many other Europe markets then mate. Because certainly in the UK, the base Data Bearer Technology is NOT charged dependant upon what is offered... Users pay per MB, or pay for a Data Plan at a certain price. But they DO NOT pay more for UMTS than they do for GPRS, or EDGE, or HSDPA (in some respects - though T-Mobile prefer you to be on Web n Walk Pro for HSDPA).

I would not say Switzerland is much different to that. I honestly don't know the latest development in this area....

All I know is that is cost too much for me....these things are nice but not important enough to spend that much money on it.

What I personally DO NOT understand is why we cannot have a REAL flatrate. In the states T-Mobile offers such a flat rate and the users can be online any time and use MSN, PushMail etc. This is how smartphones are meant to be used!!!

I would probably be one of the first to sign a contract for a flatrate and use my devices much more often in this regard.

As for the Browser in the iPhone, it is OSS, or Open Source Safari... Yes it's brilliant, but its the very same base browser used on my 3.5G HSDPA Nokia N95, or 6120c. The difference is that on the iPhone, the screen is bigger resolution, so you can see more. But it takes five to ten times as long to load on the iPhone, as it does on my HSDPA N95, or 6120.

Sorry, but I had a N95 for a few days and cannot share you impression here. For me you cannot compare the iPhone's browser with any other device's browser. As Steve correctly said: "This is how mobile internet was meant to be like!".

As I mentioned above, I am only using the browser while being on WiFi and there it does not load that slowly...;-)

But again:

Yes, I hear you....and yes, such a device should support fast data transfer....I would sign that.

Additionally, I can easily connect my N95 up to my TV or monitor, and see it full screen. So that argument is put to rest.

Sorry, not an argument anymore...see the upcoming V.1.1-Firmware of the iPhone....;-)

And Finally, even though the iPhone does have that lovely large screen, as it says in my blog (and it's starting to sound too much like a plug for my blog), then what use, and what a waste, of such a great screen, when you can't even stream video to it well over EDGE.

I FULLY agree!

You say the interface on the iPhone is much better than PPC. True perhaps. But "An Interface" does not a phone maketh - not really when it really comes down to it - sell phones, perhaps, but MAKE the phone, nah, not likely. Features do that. And watching all my PVR Sky+ recordings on my HTC Hermes over 3.5G HSDPA on the decent sized screen, using SlingPlayer, is just one of the myriad examples WHY the iPhone is all flash, and little feature... Certainly that's something you won't ever be able to do on your snazzy looking but feature limited iPhone.

Well, I only partially agree on that.

An interface does not make a phone, that's true....but it can make a lot of users buy or not buy a device. Look at the WM-devices...I think the WM-interface could be HUGELY improved!! But I also do not want to say that the iPhone-GUI is perfect. I, for example, really miss some kind of homescreen which I grew to love on WM-devices.

But then:

Remember the SPV Canary? With all its bugs and problems? Costing a LOT of money and even being bundled to a contract with Orange?

Please keep in mind that the iPhone is Apple's VERY FIRST mobilephone!!

So I agree what Rob wrote:

As a phone I do think Apple have definitely hit the nail on the head with the interface, but missed a few tricks elsewhere. Some of the tricks they have missed are only due to what I'm used to with my device and 3G is one of them, I rely it on it a lot now that I have used it. Some of the other tricks just smack of a company that's just started in the phone business, they will come with time, 2nd or 3rd gen of the iPhone will probably be v.smart and slightly less locked down (installing 3rd party apps and such like).

Yes it has wi-fi... but again as that blog of mine mentions, the idea of a MOBILE device, is to have you connected, wherever you are, NOT for YOU to have to be dictated to where to go. If I am going to be dictated to as to where I go to access the net on my device, I might as well find a web cafe, and use a REAL monitor to do it.

*sign*

And what use is SlingPlayer over wi-fi on the iPhone, if ever eventually possible... how does that help my partner who was in hospital for three days last week, and could watch all her tv on her phone, without paying the extortionate fees for in the in room tv service.

I'd like to see you doing that in Switzerland....unless you're a milionaire!!

The iPhone will live up to a LOT of people's expectations, not just your own mate - many more will be happy with its limited features.

The point is, those people clearly only have a specific or limited set of expectations.

True...just like myself. This is what I use on my Windows Mobile device:

- homescreen (developing layouts, in case you don't know ;-) )
- PIM (syncing with outlook and LOVIN' it....couldn't do without it)
- WMP (when doing the hovering @ home....and nothing more)
- makin' phone calls and sending SMS & E-Mails (basic stuff)

Pretty basic, huh? ;-)

You sound life Steve Jobs on this one mate, with his excuse why we don't have 3G in the iPhone, as it would affect the battery life too much.

[..]HOWEVER exactly like you say, i can if I wish, elect to TURN off 3G and GPS and Wi-fi, or any combination of these I like, on my N95, and get far better battery, saving certain times only for periods I might need one of these things.

The difference here - I have a CHOICE, and can use them as and when I like. The iPhone has no choice on these.

*sign*

[..] it's MEANT to be a basic standard feature set of ANY colour screen mobile phone. Especially one that HAS a camera itself. Most other mobiles phones support MMS even if they DON'T have a camera.

So if your whole scoring regime was based solely on YOUR use, then fair enough, but as I feel it was actually meant as a general comparison, then whether you personally use MMS or not, is entirely not the issue. Having a state of the art (supposedly) phone with camera and beautiful colour screen that DOES NOT support MMS is absolutely incredible.

And as we are talking about the EUROPEAN introduction of the iPhone, then in Europe LOTS more people use MMS than the USA know about or bother with.

So this one, despite your simple dismissal, as outlined by me at the start, is a clear point DROPPED by the iPhone, and it's incredible "No MMS" feature. And to think - the screen just begs to be used to show off photos friends and family elsewhere send you.

And as it's a fairly accepted convention in the UK that apart for the really good new 3.2 MP and 5MP Carl Zeiss and SE lenses with Xenon flash, a camera on a cameraphone is otherwise only ever suited to taking photos to be used for MMS alone, then why even HAVE a camera on the iPhone... Good as it is compared to some mobile phone cameras, it is just the same mid-range standard, suited only for MMS.

So why even have it, if you can't even send MMS?

*sign*

I don't need it personally but you are totally right!

At least, they DO on a device costing a minimum of £899.

Nah...go to ebay....or buy it in an Apple-shop and "jailbreak" it.

But yes, I know...this should not be part of this discussion.

Get an iPhone if you want an iPod with a phone in it. Stick with Windows mobile if you actually want a SMARTphone.

My speech, encece, my speech...;-)

...and to end my post, here is a quote of Kallisti which pretty much resembles my thoughts:

Apart from it's actual features, the killer app for me is the pure fluidity and speed of response. Apple just 'got it right' on this one. You do something on the screen and it happens instantly. No clock timers, no juddering, it just does it.

Windows Mobiles are just so....well, you know.....slow and need A LOT of hardware power!! Is this not questionable?

Sorry for quoting in a different style but my text had too many quotes (the system said), so I had to do it this way.

I got a confession to make:

I ordered myself an 8GB iPhone

While I understand some of your concerns I have to disagree with others. How many of you have actually had a play with an iPhone yet? I had and I gotta tell you that the "user experience" is far ahead of ANY windows mobile device!!

Don't get me wrong, I am still in the windows mobile camp but GUI-wise Apple really set the marks. While I personally don't see the sense of GoogleMaps without GPS, or being able to see the latest Stocks I love to have a FULL iPod with the so much beloved CoverFlow-Interface.

I personally DO NOT need push e-mail (too expensive in Switzerland anyway!) and UMTS (same over-the-top prices). All I need is a phone which is easy to use, has an eye-candy-interface, does phonecalls and takes care of my contacts, messages and appointments. Additional features like the - if you ask me - very first USABLE browser in a mobile device (don't tell me PocketIE is the same) and the 8GB flash memory in combination with the iPod make the device even more attractive.

The iPhone can fully live up to MY expectations (only GPS is missing for me and some more storage is ALWAYS welcome, ain't it?

I heard many say that they expected me to like it as I am an aesthetics junkie.

But yes, I agree...it IS expensive...but, come on...since when does this prevent you from getting one?

I can answer this question for you:

The battery is not at all compareable to the HTC Excalibur's battery. The Samsung lasts about 1 day in average usage. It does not even come close the the Excalibur.

I find it ugly too...but at least it has a decent keyboard and is pretty small and thin...

...and WiFi...

http://smartphone.kleinweder.ch/index.php

Sorry, but you must be joking.

The O2 Atom is BY FAR the best PocketPC Phone Edition Device I have ever had! And believe me, I had many...

I have never had my hands on a device that small and stable as the Atom. Furthermore it offers a whole bunch of nice applications which come with the device.

What about the FM-Tuner you forgot to mention?

And the fact that one can speed up the CPU up to 624 MHz (within the specs...you can go even higher!) and the built-in "Media Center Look-alike?

Ok, I have to admit that the Prophet-Camera is much better but that's about it when you ask me...

If I will ever get a PPCPE-Device then it will certainly be an Atom or one of its successors.

The i300 will be released with WM2k3SE BUT they will release an update to WM5!

I talked to my contacts at Orange and they confirmed it.

I even got a PDF-document which confirmes it but I am not allowed to upload it....

So what's all the hassle about... :??:

I will not put up any 176x220-homescreens anymore.

Over 100 screens to choose from should be far more than enough and that's why I am concentrating only on the new resolution and on Windows Mobile 5.

Sorry folks but at some stage one has to decide...

kl1wdr

I tried it on my HTC Tornado (QTEK 8310) and it does not work...

Can't even install the .NET-thing... :cry:

Orange Switzerland told me that it has never been a topic to have a C600 with WiFi....WiFi has not been offered by HTC as they said.

I can feel you and am disappointed as well.

...but what else is there to buy? I have been in the same situation many times but always came back to WM-Phones....

If the C600 should have the same hardware (except for the phones body) why not simply trying to flash an other ROM-Image (QTEK or whatever)? This might unlock the WiFi-Feature....maybe it has simply been disabled software-wise....

"The dude of Kleinweder" did it all manually....as in the good ol' times... 8)

Photoshop for the GFX and Notepad for the coding...

Will need to have a look at the plugin then....sorry... :?:

:arrow: www.kleinweder.ch

Unfortunately the device is QUITE BIG...I held it in my hands in April '05....so this guy must have big hands...

Not anymore...have fun:

http://smartphone.kleinweder.ch/downloads/index.php

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