Off Topic: May 2004 Elections

[Guest adi116]

Naniniwala ba kayo sa mga survey na lumalabas? Na-experience nyo na ba na matanong sa survey re: presidentiables. Well, this is the time para i-express ninyo ang choice mo. Vote wisely!

You may express your opinion re: your choice

[Guest dinoalbert]

:shock: totoo ba to? Roco and E. Villanueva close fight? :)

[Guest litopogi]

Bakit wala si Eddie Gil dito?

How can I vote?

[Guest dinoalbert]

Bakit wala si Eddie Gil dito?

How can I vote?

uhmm sorry di ko kabisado mga candidates....who is Eddie Gil? :shock: another actor?

[Guest adi116]

Alam ko si Eddie Gil panggulo lang. Para yung boboto ng Eddie e di ma-count kay Eddie Villanueva.

Di ko alam kung bakit di siya nasama... mukhang hanggang 5 items lang ang limitation sa poll.

[Guest kalinte]

i vote for eddie gil too. dapat kasame sya di ba? and in what particular order ng candidates ang gianwa mo? baka isipin nla pro GMA ka.

[Guest adi116]

i vote for eddie gil too. dapat kasame sya di ba?  and in what particular order ng candidates ang gianwa mo? baka isipin nla pro GMA ka.

Hahaha, in no particular order. Pero I voted for Eddie Villanueva.

Curious lang ako? totoo bang iboboto nyo si Eddie Gil? Ano bang meron sa kanya that made you convinced to vote for him?

[Guest BrAGoL]

i voted for Roco before... and i'll vote hin again...

[Guest kalinte]

joke lang! di mo kasi sinama. i'm for ping.

[Guest adi116]

Just like to share kung bakit si Eddie Villanueva ang choice ko...

Ano ba ang problema ng bansa?

- i believe graft and corruption, too much politics, away-away (erap - gloria, gloria - ping, gloria - fpj)

Ano ba ang kailangan nating presidente?

- i believe yung kayang tanggalin ang graft and corruption at sobrang pulitika sa gobyerno. Iyon ding pwedeng maging instrumento for the healing of this nation.

Sino ba ang may ganitong qualiy among the presidentiables?

can fight graft and corruption - kung "man of man "-> malamang instead of fighting graft and corruption e mag-join pa sa graft and corruption. Ang kailangan natin "man of God" - iyong may takot sa tao at higit sa lahat may takot sa Diyos.

hindi pulitiko - cno lang ba sa mga kandidato ang hindi pulitiko - c fpj? - di nga pulitiko pero napapaligiran ng mga taong sobrang pulitiko, c eddie gil? - parang-awa nyo na, maawa nman kayo sa bansa natin, c eddie villanueva? - "Man of God" - Hindi pulitiko.

Instrument to bring healing for our nation - no man can bring healing to a nation - only God! Kaya ang kailangan natin - Man of God!

[Guest dinoalbert]

please have time to read this....makes sense!

From: Dr. Minguita Padilla

Date: 02/15/04 08:50:03 PM

Dear Friends,

I have tried to refrain from commenting on the egroups about Loren and her

decision to run as FPJ's running mate, but my conscience has been prodding,

no, rather, nagging me to do so. Therefore, even if it is true that "the

best way to make enemies is to discuss politics and religion", I would like

to share just a few thoughts on the issue. It is my deep sense of

patriotism that compels me to write. No rancor or malice is in my heart.

But given the very sensitive topic at hand, I must apologize in advance for

any sensibilities or feelings I may hurt.

Many of the people behind the FPJ candidacy are individuals who I consider

friends and who have helped me immensely in my work and my advocacy for the

Eye Bank. Foremost among them is Ed Angara. During his term as Senate

President during the mid 1990's he not only authored the bill that would

make possible my dream of having an eye banking system in the country; he

also personally worked to help it get passed into law. I will never forget

the night he called the house while we were having dinner just to tell me

that the bicameral committee approved the bill, making it one of the

fastest bills ever passed into law. It was as if he was just as excited

about the impact the law would have on hundreds of thousands of blind

people as I was. He was also the only senator who ever donated part of his

CDF to the eye bank. And for these I will always be grateful.

Aquilino Pimentel, whose friendship with my late father blossomed when

Daddy was the head of the senate electoral tribunal that proved he was a

victim of Juan Ponce Enrile's "dagdag bawas" scam, is someone who I have

also held in high regard. A fatherly kiss would always be there to welcome

me whenever I would visit his office during the many times I have had to

lobby for or against certain legislation.

Loren is a highschool batchmate. This counts for something.

But certain things transcend friendship and camaraderie. And neither can

make me blind to what I believe is the immense disservice these people have

committed to the Filipino people by choosing to inflict Fernando Poe Jr.

on us as a presidential candidate, particularly at this point in our

history when we are fighting a desperate battle for political maturity and

international respect. The friendship only makes this realization more

painful. The friendship only adds a sense of betrayal to the sadness.

I have nothing against movie stars running for public office per se. Just

for the record, I happen to think Vilma Santos is one of the best mayors

Lipa City has ever had. But the presidency is not the mayoralty. And FPJ

is not Vilma Santos. FPJ is notorious for drunken stupors that last for

days, not just hours, making him an even more "legendary" alcoholic than

Erap. FPJ, and this according to some well respected movie directors and

scribes, is also famous for beating up helpless reporters who don't tow

the line, and for finishing off the job by urinating on the same people

once they are down on the ground. This man has not held even the lowliest

government position, nor can he give an intelligent opinion on any of the

major problems plaguing the country and world today, reducing every issue

to one liners and empty slogans. He also happens to pay one of the

smallest income taxes among all movie personalities, notwithstanding his

large income throwing all illusions of honesty to the wind. The list goes

on.......

And this is the man the above-mentioned persons, as well as the political

dinosaurs behind him, are trying to shove down our throats as the best

president for our times because he is popular with the "masa" and he is

"sincere".

The "masa" are ignorant. They are not stupid. There is a world of

difference between the two. It behooves those in power to try to enlighten

and educate the ignorant and misinformed, not take advantage of their

ignorance just so that they can propagate themselves in power.

It may be the hope of those supporting FPJ that should he win they will be

the de-facto rulers of the country while he serves as the opium of the

masses. I have heard this said many times. History tells us that this

simply does not happen. We need not even look far to see how futile this

plan is since this was what Angara and company thought they could do with

Erap. And look where this brought them. Look where this brought us. Even

this early, there are already indications of how chaotic an FPJ presidency

will be. His so-called "financial advisers", many of whom have even denied

that they are his advisers, are all of conflicting views and ideologies.

At the end of the day, no matter how good one's advisers are, it is the

president who makes the decision. Whose advise will FPJ follow if he does

not have any inkling as to the intricacies or implications of the issues

at hand? What guiding policy will he follow? Even opium loses its power

as soon as reality steps in. And few things can be worse than a hungry and

desperate people suddenly realizing that they have been victims of a well

orchestrated and dastardly deception. What then?

"He who does not learn from past mistakes is bound to repeat them". A

cliche' if there ever was one, but one so apt to the tragedy playing itself

out before us.

Politics, it is said, is the art of compromise. There are no absolutes.

However, history sometimes presents unique opportunities for those in

power to rise above politics and to embrace statesmanship and patriotism.

These opportunities also have a way of presenting themselves during

critical periods in a country's life. Doy Laurel embraced this opportunity

when he agreed to forego his presidential ambitions and give way to Cory

Aquino just to topple the Marcos dictatorship. This one act of

self-sacrifice was sufficient to overshadow whatever mistakes he may have

committed in his political life. And history has judged him well.

Another such critical period is upon us today, and it pains me to say that

in my heart, I truly believe those in power who have chosen the path of

supporting the FPJ candicacy have squandered an opportunity for true

heroism. If Ed Angara or Nene Pimentel for that matter had chosen to run

for president in spite of their perceived lack of charisma instead of

choosing to prop up a puppet, and if those now running with FPJ chose to

support them instead, then they would have done this country a great favor.

This, to me, would have been the true sacrifice untainted by ambition and

opportunism. This would probably have meant defeat and the momentary loss

of power, but it would have been a defeat ablaze in glory, where the losers

would still be winners, with heads held high because their courage helped

insure that this coming election would be centered and decided based on

issues and platforms, no longer on personalities; something that we need so

badly in this period of our country's history. This heroic act would have

sent a strong message to our people that leaders should be elected based on

credentials to lead, not on perceived popularity or false illusions. That

single act would have hoisted our political life to heights of maturity,

not to the depths of ludicrous we now find ourselves in. As a famous

columnist so aptly put it, the present campaign is now being fought on the

"burlesque stage". And sadly, I know who to hold accountable.

This is but one aspect of the complex political situation we are faced with

and this is my personal take on it. I am aware that I cannot possibly be

privy to all things that those in the thick of this political circus know,

and so my opinion remains my opinion. There is much more I could say but I

will stop here. Suffice it to say that I am not dwelling on personailties,

just issues. Neither am I here to argue but to simply share some thoughts

and perhaps stimulate some people to think outside the box. Finally, I am

not here to judge or be judged. History will do that for me.

In the meantime, I continue to pray and do my share to try to educate the

ignorant among our countrymen so that they may not be totally deprived of

their right to be enlightened on the true issues at hand.

Thank you all for your indulgence.

Minguita

[Guest kalinte]

the problem with us pinoy is that we vote by popularity and nothing else. we tend to vote the winning candidate. i agree with adi116. so far only eddie V. have shared his political platform to the poeple. characterwise he is spotfree. but the poeple will vote for fpj not because he's a good leader (he has no track record) not beacause of his goals (he doesn't want to comment) but simply because he's "the king". sure fpj have the noblest intention but the sole reason most poeple will vote for him is because he's popular.

i did vote for erap. coz he is a good leader. he was mayor, sneator & vicepres. before he became pres.

[Guest dobby_gobby_man]

ako boto ko na si Ping Lacson.

ang toto talaga, popularity plays a great role in any position in the government. kung hindi ka popular, parang kay edie GIL, your chance of winning is..... :roll: down :wink:

kahit naman kay GMA popular so pareho lang sila ni FPJ. kasi kung hindi naghahanap or hindi nagpapasikat si GMA, e dapat hindi rin sya nagpagawa or gumawa ng patalastas nya. d b?

at kung popular ka matatakot ang mga kalaban mo parang sa case ni FPJ di ba? dapat binuksan yung kaso nya bago pa sya nagsign ng candidacy sa comelec. so dahil sikat sya, kung anu-ano na ang nilabas na kwento:

1. hindi sya natural born filipino?

2. hindi married ang magulang nya?

3. peke ang birth certificate nya?

4. forged ang passport nya?

pero dahil wala silang mabigat na katibayan... e ano pa nga ba e di panalo sya sa kaso nya. hehehehe :wink:

parang ka ping lacson din.... popular sya sa mga chineese kasi marami syang nailigtas na mga chineese noon. di ba?

---this is only my opinion---

[Guest dinoalbert]

i did vote for erap. coz he is a good leader. he was mayor, sneator & vicepres. before he became pres.

But what about Eddy V? He has no experience in any public office. Although he is spotfree as you mentioned, that doesnt mean he will be a good leader of this struggling country? Honestly I didnt even know who he is...well I believe those who knew him must be a follower of him or maybe someone who sometimes watch his tv programs. My only gripe on this is that he seemed to base his popularity on his huge number of followers....he seemed (although he maybe not aware) like using his religion/church to get votes. Well maaring hindi nga ganon but you cant blame people to think that way. I mean what if his church is only small and he have a few followers lang...do you think he will run for president? What about the rest of our country's voting populace who are not his followers/church members....will they vote for him? Definitely karamihan sa nakakakilala sa kanya at boboto sa kanya ay mga members nya.

If we want a "man of God"...what does that mean? Is he the only man of God around? Madami naman umaangkin na man of God sila eh. Dont get me wrong, I am not judging Mr. Villanueva. What I mean is marami naman dyan pwedeng maturing na man of God so bakit di sila tumatakbo? Probably because they know that being a man of God does not mean you are good enough to run a country. Now if we talk about who is the real man of God is, then iba na yan...that would be a religion debate na...OT na. What I am trying to say here is that we should not say na "dahil man of God sya, pwede na syang maging president ng Pinas". No that should not be the basis.

Please dont get me wrong, I am not putting up a debate here, not arguing...I am just expressing my honest opinion, sharing my thoughts...just my two centimos.

PEACE! :)

[Guest sonborj]

A poll in MODACO on the presidentiables will not represent the majority of Filipinos. But its a relief that we are still sensible and will not vote for FPJ.

Those surveys have been tested before and proven accurate. So I won't be surprised that FPJ will win. Unless GMA finds another way to disqualify him.

[Guest BrAGoL]

My only gripe on this is that he seemed to base his popularity on his huge number of followers....

same reason why the other candidates are wooing big religious sectors (i.e. INC) just like what GMA did when she ran for the vice presidency...

[Guest adi116]

I still believe what this country need is a man of God. Why? dahil sa gobyerno wala ng Diyos panay sarili na lang o panay utang na loob sa ibang tao. I believe Cardinal Sin is also man of God. The difference between Cardinal Sin and Bro. Eddie is that Bro. Eddie has a calling to become the president of the Philippines. Pero just like David, Gideon, and other man of God did, he must win the battle.

Kung titingnan nyo, bakit niya pa kailangan lumaban sa presidency if he's already living a comfortable life? God doesnt want christians to live a comfortable life. God wants christians to overcome this world. We are supposed to be salt and light of this world. How can we become salt and light if we remain in the comfort zone?

And masasabi ko lang, just give bro. Eddie a chance to prove himself. I am not a member of JIL but I see the sincerity and the capability of this man to lead this nation not only by himself but with God. Ang laki ng sacrifices niya dito at ang laki ng risk na pinasok nya. Kung gagawa lang siya ng kalokohan hindi lang sa pilipino siya may panangutan. Mas malaki ang pananagutan niya sa Diyos. Iyan ang paniniwala naming mga Christians na may takot sa Diyos.

Pag-aralan ninyo muna ang tao bago ninyo siya husgahan.

vist http://ruby.inq7.net/specialfeatures/eleks...ssues/index.htm

para pag-aralan ninyo mabuti.

Be a responsible voting citizen. Do not base your vote according to popularity. Pag-aralan muna natin mabuti kung sino ba talaga ang nararapat. Moreover, may I request you to pray not only for the May 2004 election but also for this country as a whole. God Bless the Philippines!

[Guest litopogi]

For me, the president is just a bum. ( phrase from a certain movie)

Well, I believe in this phrase kse kahit sino ang iboto nyong president, kung the people behind him are the same trapos and/or inexperienced advisers, we will still end up loosers.

Why did I say that the president is a bum? that is because wala naman talagang silbi ang president. A president is just a display, a frontliner of a certain country na sumusunod lang sa mga advisers nya. The people that really runs the country is not the president but the people behind the president.

kaya kung boboto kayo ng president, do not focus on the pres. candidate alone. Tingnan nyo rin ang magiging advisers nito.

Basta ako ang iboboto ko yung mga candidates that knows the importance of the constitution.

As an ender : It's imposibble to combine religion and politics. Historically, it has long been proven.

[Guest dinoalbert]

I may agree on lito regarding the people behind the president...indeed let us look at the credentials, qualifications, the experiences in gorvernment offices....of the president and the people behind him. Yet i dont believe the president is a bum or pang-display...at the end of the day, the president still makes the decision. Well it depends on who or how good the president governs...if the president doesnt know anything about his job, or has no expereince, definitely his advisers seem to be the ones making the decisions.

If we talk about man of God, well, who are we to judge who is sincere and who is the man of God? Does it mean that the rest of the candidates, except for E.V. are not of God? We are not in the position to judge them. We can not say this person is a man of God and that other person is a man of God. It doesnt mean that because you are a church leader, you are a man of God! Does it mean that those other candidates, sicne they are not church leaders, are not men of God? If we talk about sincerity...well it doenst mean that once a person seem to be sincere, he is eligible to run a country! Madami naman ang sincere na gustong umunlad ang Pinas eh. I for one wanted to help this country, and I could tell to myself that I am sincere! BUT does that make me eligible to run a country? NO way! I have no experience!

sorry hehe I think we are way out of the topic na dito sa Modaco...I just got carried away LOL!

[Guest adi116]

As an ender : It's imposibble to combine religion and politics.  Historically, it has long been proven.

I agree, politics and religion cannot be combined. Same as politics and government - kung ang gobyerno e patatakbuhin ng mga pulitiko na panay pamumulitika lang ang gagawin tingnan nyo na lang ang nangyayari sa bansa natin. Pero kung ang gobyerno ay patatakbuhin ng taong may takot sa Diyos e subukan natin kung ano ang mangyayari. And another thing malaki ang pagkakaiba ng RELIGION sa pagiging CHRISTIAN;

RELIGION - is an institution, an organization. it doesnt mean na member ka ng religion automatic christian ka na. You may be a member of JIL or Catholic or Methodist pero pwedeng hindi ka pa christian.

CHRISTIAN - follower of Christ -> being Christlike. Christianity is a lifestyle.

[Guest adi116]

Mejo off topic na talaga tayo, I believe each person is entitled to his own opinion, and I respect each of your opinion. Each of us has the freedom and the power to choose who will be the next leader of this nation - and that comes with great responsibility. Kaya ang masasabi ko lang, pag-isipan natin mabuti kung sino ba ang dapat nating piliin. Kung tutuusin walang mali kung sino man ang pipiliin natin kaya lang tayo ding mga pilipino ang mag-su-suffer (wag naman sana) or magbebenefit (ito na lang sana) sa mga consequences.

Maybe we are not united kung sino ang mga kandidato natin pero I believe we are all united to make the Philippines a better country to live in. What we could do is let's all unite in prayer na kung sino man ang manalo, God will use him mightily towards the improvement of this beloved nation.

so much carried away...

[Guest litopogi]

You are all right. ito ang maganda sa democratic country. Everybody has a right to express his/her opinion and kung sino ang iboboto nya. And we should respect that.

Kung sino man ang maging president natin, I just hope and pray that he or she will be a better one. Makakaya lang nya gampanan ang position nya kung magkakaisa lahat ng Pilipino and support the winner. With this, I still can say that the president is still a bum. Wala syang magagawa kung walang support from the people.

[Guest sonborj]

talagang off topic na ito .... :)

[Guest dobby_gobby_man]

So I won't be surprised that FPJ will win. Unless GMA finds another way to disqualify him. -sonborj

hehehe hindi ata makakahanap si gloria ng ibang dahilan para madisqualify si FPJ kasi lahat na ata ng intriga at mga kung anuano pa e nasabi na at nanalo parin sya sa kaso. so that means they are only making things up alam naman ng taong bayan yan eh.

[Guest rodnav]

i voted for Roco before... and i'll vote hin again...

and again mr roco will lose. i'm sorry to say. i'll go for the lesser of 2 evils and who has a chance of preventing another showbiz non-presidency.

i think the dra. padilla quoted by dino is an opthalmologist at UP-PGH and MMC. She is quite smart and quite pretty for a mature lady. I met her once which doesn't mean she knows me.

let's face it guys, FPJ will win if we split our votes for roco, lacson, villanueva or GMA. remember 1998? estrada won with 36+% of the vote! number 2 was de venecia with some 20+%. and roco was 3rd.

i cited that because in all surveys prior to the election, de venecia was number 3 behind roco. but on election day, de venecia's machinery carried him passed roco. and that election was cited by everyone as the cleanest presidential elections since the commonwealth.

just think, if the 60+% who didn't vote for estrada voted for a single candidate, we would be in a much better situation. remember, 1998 was one after the asian financial crisis, every country in SE asia were hobbling economically, but as cited by most economist, we were the least affected by the crisis. we had a BoP surplus. and i won't even cite the peso-dollar exchange rate. one thing though that occured during Ramos' term (i know some of you have different opinions but this is my own experience and 1st hand knowledge) most of the good doctors in the US were planning to come back to the philippines, they even invested in new hospitals that are only coming online now like the Asian Hospital, new branches of St Luke's, Medical City, etc. and no doctor was seriouly thinking of leaving for the states or anywhere else but maybe only for specialization and futherance of training to bring back to our country.

and then came the estrada presidency... mismanagement or more like non-management brought us to his eventual downfall in 2001, and of course his supporters have since been muckraking our nation. witness edsa 3. we have been unstable ever since 2001 because his supporters, angara et al have done nothing but hamper the programs of the present administration and doing all their best to get back into power which brings us to FPJ. They know he has no qualification for presidency but they know he'll garner more votes than any of his supporters put together and so they saw as their ticket back to power...

and here we are again... another showbiz presidency? do you really want that? do you really think the number of people voting for roco/villanueva/lacson (and add eddie gil too) would match the votes for FPJ? no, i don't think so...

you probably know, who i choose from the selection above... the lesser of evils, the devil we know rather than the devil we don't! the ones who have had 4 years to fill their gluttony will probably eat less than those who barely had a taste of power for 2 years.

Here's the everlasting Filipino virtue... HOPE (bahala na)