Guest tsutton Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Is a leaked video card driver 'warez?' To get to the point - yes. Have a read at their agreement (you know the long worded when you install it but you just click next without reading it) - it mentioned something about it in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Confucious Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 OK, I was trying not to get drawn into this debate but I've failed, so here goes. I fail to see how downloading and using this ROM is in anyway illegal, What don't you understand about copyright laws? You agree that someone stolle it from Orange but once it's been stolen you think it's alright to receive stolen goods? Have Orange (The Copyright owners) given you permision to use this software? If not IT IS ILLEGAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElGato65 Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 (edited) What don't you understand about copyright laws? You agree that someone stolle it from Orange but once it's been stolen you think it's alright to receive stolen goods? Have Orange (The Copyright owners) given you permision to use this software? If not IT IS ILLEGAL. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fair point, I see I became confused in my ranting's, but does the same not apply to the ROM's that are being modified to work on devices for which they are not intended. Is that not also a breach of copyright? p.s. and there's LOT's I don't understand about copyright laws. Edited May 28, 2005 by ElGato65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Confucious Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Fair point, I see I became confused in my ranting's, but does the same not apply to the ROM's that are being modified to work on devices for which they are not intended. Is that not also a breach of copyright? p.s. and there's LOT's I don't understand about copyright laws. Yes it does - unless the ROMs have been put on general release. I don't believe, for instance, people are modding the French ROM which I believe is on release to anyone who wants it to get it to work. I could be wrong (I frequently am ;) )andIi'm as hacked off about this as anyone (I also have broadband that doesn't allow access to P2P - does this have anything to do with it?!). I have just sent an email to Orange Tech support asking when it will be made available as it's already on new phones so surely thay can't still be denying it's existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElGato65 Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 I don't believe, for instance, people are modding the French ROM which I believe is on release to anyone who wants it to get it to work.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> There are instructions all over this forum explaining how to modify the .nbf file in order to get it to load. Just because something is on general release doesn't mean it "public domain". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Confucious Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 There are instructions all over this forum explaining how to modify the .nbf file in order to get it to load. Just because something is on general release doesn't mean it "public domain". This is true, but is the .nbf file copyrighted or does your EULA allow you to modify it once it has been supplied to you? Am I clutching at straws? ;) Has anyone ever read an EULA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElGato65 Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 (edited) This is true, but is the .nbf file copyrighted or does your EULA allow you to modify it once it has been supplied to you? Am I clutching at straws? ;) Has anyone ever read an EULA? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This discussion all may be a bit mute, I have just ran all the updates I have in order to look at the files contained and there is not one EULA or copyright notice anywhere to be found :?: The only documentation I have found is the standard warning it may mess yer phone up. So where does that leave it now? Anyone ? Edited May 28, 2005 by ElGato65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anonymous1 Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 apologies if I am breaking any rules, but is this what every1 is getting so excited about? http://www.msmobilenews.com/?cid=887 just wondering how it can be leaked sooner than orange can officially release it 'imminently'. any1 tested it out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Radeon12345 Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 (edited) Thought I would better edit the post as I asked for a download which i should't have, sorry :oops: :oops: Edited May 29, 2005 by Radeon12345 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tsutton Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 I have a C500 and I really want to try it but fin a download link anywhere :cry: , anyone know where I can get that Orange C500 leaked update ;) You didnt bother reading this thread, eh? Please read the rules - you do NOT ask for the download link here. It's illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Radeon12345 Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 You didnt bother reading this thread, eh? Please read the rules - you do NOT ask for the download link here. It's illegal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry, did the post before reading the entire thread, sorry :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ady2002 Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 hey just a quicky to say, i have a friend at an orange shop and upon showing him the c500 with the new WMP10 update he went into the backroom checked it with a model they had been sent with it on and confirmed it is the final official version ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DarkJedi Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 What a strange question! Have you never heard of copyright laws? Do you think it's OK for anyone to steal other peoples software? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> but when it's free, how is it illegal? like saying pirating freeware. the only way it's illegal is when u sell it. but if ur not, well, it's not illegal. i could understand betas, but freeware is freeware. orange releases this rom upgrade for free, meaning you don't have to pay for it, MEANING it's NOT warez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Confucious Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 but when it's free, how is it illegal? like saying pirating freeware. the only way it's illegal is when u sell it. but if ur not, well, it's not illegal. i could understand betas, but freeware is freeware. orange releases this rom upgrade for free, meaning you don't have to pay for it, MEANING it's NOT warez. It is free to people who already own the phone. It is a free upgrade. It is not and never has been freeware. The copyright is owned by Orange and they have the right to say who can use it and when. Having said thht apparently there is no EULA so maybe it is freeware.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gadjet Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 My 2 penneth..... I must say I'm suprised that this forum has no problem taking a ROM officially released for the French C500, probably something about only using on French phones in the EULA, and then tweaking it till it works and then getting all bent out of shape about someone mentioning that there is a "leaked" UK version on the internet. I agree that posting a link to the dubious ROM might be a step to far but don't have a go at people who want to give it a try. It is common practice for people to tweak graphics card drivers to increase performance and there are even magazine articles discussing the best modified drivers to use. I this day and age I believe it has become common practice to modify your own property or its software at your own risk, My phone belongs to me I can modify the SW if I wish (as long I don't then sell it) SW. I used to edit the ROM images for the Samsung DVD player to give personalised Screen savers and I don't believe Samsung ever cared about it !!! I also agree with a previous poster, most leaks are indeed a way for the authors to get some free beta testing done in advance. Having said that I agree that legitimate forums should not post links to illegal SW but I think it's a bit of a grey area as to wether this is illegal or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drblow Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 I agree that posting a link to the dubious ROM might be a step to far but don't have a go at people who want to give it a try. Having said that I agree that legitimate forums should not post links to illegal SW but I think it's a bit of a grey area as to wether this is illegal or not.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think anybody is having a go at anybody else for using the leaked ROM, the point being made is that links to it will not be allowed on this forum - thats nothing to do with law, it's forum policy. As you say, the legality of this situation is pretty much a grey area, but the emphasis behind most of the posts here is that if you are looking for the leaked ROM there will be no links posted here, and that if you install it you do so at your own risk, and at the risk of voiding any warranty/insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Badgerboy Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Now that we have the legal issues sorted out ;) Does anyone want to discuss this update that we're not entitled to use (yet) :D Maybe this was the "imminent release" :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElGato65 Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 I for one, and I know a friend of mine have gone back to the 4.1.1.4 ROM, as it seems all the "new" ROM's break TomTom Mobile v4. Also I seemed to loose the ability to store ringtones on my SD card. I can live without WMP10, always used betaPlayer anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Badgerboy Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 So we're actually losing functionality on the new ROM :??: I too can live without WMP10; although it's a vast improvement, its still not a patch on Betaplayer ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leaskovski Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 (edited) Yes it does - unless the ROMs have been put on general release. I don't believe, for instance, people are modding the French ROM which I believe is on release to anyone who wants it to get it to work. I could be wrong (I frequently am ;) )andIi'm as hacked off about this as anyone (I also have broadband that doesn't allow access to P2P - does this have anything to do with it?!). I have just sent an email to Orange Tech support asking when it will be made available as it's already on new phones so surely thay can't still be denying it's existence? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So when someone makes a nocd patch for a game (modding the exe file) thats not breaking copyright laws then?? Eh?? If you want an example of modifiy exe files breaking copyright laws, here is one to do with F1RST-Racing... http://www.bhmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=30099 As far as im concered and being a software developer, modifying the ROM releases so that they can install onto a phone that they were not intended for is a breach of copyright law. Edited June 9, 2005 by Leaskovski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest amirjs Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Well as for the imminent release of the update I was told by Orange technical today that they had not even begun testing the UK version of the update, even though it has been released in France, and that there were 'currently no plans' to test it ever. Thought that might cheer you all up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nick_mpx Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 My 2 penneth..... I must say I'm suprised that this forum has no problem taking a ROM officially released for the French C500, probably something about only using on French phones in the EULA, and then tweaking it till it works and then getting all bent out of shape about someone mentioning that there is a "leaked" UK version on the internet. I agree that posting a link to the dubious ROM might be a step to far but don't have a go at people who want to give it a try. It is common practice for people to tweak graphics card drivers to increase performance and there are even magazine articles discussing the best modified drivers to use. I this day and age I believe it has become common practice to modify your own property or its software at your own risk, My phone belongs to me I can modify the SW if I wish (as long I don't then sell it) SW. I used to edit the ROM images for the Samsung DVD player to give personalised Screen savers and I don't believe Samsung ever cared about it !!! I also agree with a previous poster, most leaks are indeed a way for the authors to get some free beta testing done in advance. Having said that I agree that legitimate forums should not post links to illegal SW but I think it's a bit of a grey area as to wether this is illegal or not.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> actually you dont actually "own" any software. When you buy a piece of software your only buying the rights to use it and within the terms and conditions it clearly state that any "modding" is not allowed. the same is for films and music. You can only buy the rights to listen or watch, which is why you cannot share or sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest celica1.8st Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 the same is for films and music. You can only buy the rights to listen or watch, which is why you cannot share or sell it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does that mean that music shops selling 2nd hand cd's are doing so illegally? Or that record collectors who buy old vinyl are actually buying it illeagally?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest celica1.8st Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Well as for the imminent release of the update I was told by Orange technical today that they had not even begun testing the UK version of the update, even though it has been released in France, and that there were 'currently no plans' to test it ever. Thought that might cheer you all up! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've tested the UK one - it works fine! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest celica1.8st Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 (edited) To answer my own original question in this thread of where the ROM should actually be, I guess when they are ready it will be at: http://web.orange.co.uk/yourphone/spvc500/...l?id=sm_1137635 You could also try editing the link to the old ROM: http://web.orange.co.uk/assets/sw/RUU_v0.9...UK_v4.1.1.4.exe Maybe it's already there but not linked yet??? I tried the basics but got nowhere ;) Another place they put the software updates is: http://www2.orange.co.uk/servlet/Satellite...ature&t=Product Maybe it will appear there? Edited June 22, 2005 by celica1.8st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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