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[harrelson]

Pondrew, on Jun 5 2005, 16:55, said:

Although I understand the fear that QVGA will break all our apps I don't understand why all of a sudden no one sees QVGA as a big deal. I remember when the increase in res was announced and EVERYONE wanted a Smartphone with the higher resolution.

What changed?!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nothings changed,. not at all. the problem is: the timing is just too bad. if i get this phone i still must get the samsung i-300 three months later. compare the two and u will see why people are holding back their cash.

plus, i heard operators wont be upgrading wm2003se to wm5 so that people buy the new devices. i wouldnt want to be stuck with wm2003se till 2007!

[beersoft]

the sammy would be nice, but which networks are taking it?

i personaly am looking forward to the C550 as its hear real soon now (and i like the idea of qvga screens and most of the stuff i already have working on it), all this talk of the c600 maybe a bit early, as we have no specs, badly photoshopped images or anything.

we do have a choice, stick with what we have and miss out on the c550 in the knowledge that the C600 is going to be the phone to get and wait for september for the rumours about the c600 and the spv3g start comming out and then decide not upgrade at crimbo when the c600  because the C700 due out in the summer of 2006 is going to be better


lather, rinse, repeat

later

Owen

[shadamehr]

Anyone know WHY they will be launching a phone with a 262,000 colour screen, if the software allegedly only supports 65,000 colours as at present.

Surprised this has not been debated in this thread, unless I have missed it..

a) Why put the 262K screen in at all if so, and

can this be hacked?  And if it can, why don;t the manufacturers or MS sort it themselves?

Anyone knowledgeable got any ideas?

I retired my C500 over a month ago (hence my post count drop, but this time I have sworn I won't abandon the platform all together), and got a 6230i instead...

Now let me explain, before you all yell...

Its a swings and roundabouts thing... C500 has a larger screen, far more apps, proper calendar sync etc.

But it doesn't have decent Bluetooth file transfer (I mean where, when you are viewing the file in a Gallery, you can simply click and send it...) Going into the gallery to identify the file by name, noting the name, exiting that, loading up a THIRD PARTY file manager, and using that to then BT beam the file, and even then with only 95% sucess rate, is NOT my idea of anything remotely "Smart" in a smartphone.  From playing with the Magneto Pocket PC OS, I see no improvement here - come on MS, where are you?  This isn't just a gimmick thing - these devices are meant to be portable storage tools for all sorts of docs etc now.

And it doesn't support "notes" beaming - that is a simple and quickly typed text note, that can be BT beamed to another phone at the touch of a button or two...  and even though these can be received, its again a faff to load a file manager up, have to browse and locate the rec'd file, and load it up then, in a format that doesn't allow ready replying back.

All in all, I'm sorry guys, but in one aspect - Bluetooth, Microsoft is miles and miles  and miles behind - and I say that in full fairness, as WM5 seems no better (I've played with it), Phones like the D500 have full on phone OBEX support so you can actually browse the contents of other peoples phones (with permission of course ) to locate files you want, and all nokias have full headset and handsfree profile, so I can listen to ALL phone audio, sounds etc, over Bluetooth Headset (albeit mono I know, but handy for watching certain 'videos' in private etc).

Microsoft, Bluetooth and SmartPhone... it seems its gonna be AT LEAST Windows Mobile 2007 before they even come close to marrying those three things up properly.

So, clarifying again, the C500 has a MUCH MUCH better feature set than the 6230i, but the 6230i has a couple of features the C500 doesn't that 'for me personally' (let me stress that), are ESSENTIAL items.

I'm not extolling the 6230i as a great phone though - its not at all.  In fact I just received a Sony Ericsson K750i 2 Megapixel camera phone on Friday as an O2 Online Upgrade for free...

And yet even that is getting sent back, because as cool as the camera is (and it really is, period, ALL other manufactures take note of this example of how to do things great with even a CMOS sensor!), the rest of it is naff...

I checked that it supported notes send and recieve before I ordered it... it does, BUT having received it, it transpires, not in .txt format, but instead as a .vnt format file, even though it can read .txt files back.

So its no use to me either..  And again, SE has great BT support, profiles on the phone etc - probably the most advanced there is now on any handset...

But despite Quickshare, they made a huge gaff...

Take a photo, and when it is on screen, the Send button only supports send via MMS - at least Nokia have a sub option to Send via BT...

So on a K750i, if you take a photo, you are back to having to come out the camera app, open the file manager, browse to the photo and THEN send it via BT... Certainly NOT Quickshare in my humble understanding of it...

What does all this rambling mean (apart from I'm boring as ever...?)

I think its relevant, in that I hope it demonstrates that the IDEAL PHONE is not out there, not in reach for me yet, and this probably rings true for most of us perhaps...

So ultimately, its gonna be a case of weighing up all the pros and cons, and then deciding which phone comes CLOSEST for you...

Sadly, all I am saying, is that at the minute, this amounts to a Nokia 6230i, which itself is simply the phone the 6230 should have been when it launched, nothing more, and thats well over a year old now...

Mmmm...

I need Nokia, or MS/HTC to deliver the killer phone....  

Take the Nokia 'easy features' and luetooth, add in the Windows Mobile platform as the main item, and bolt on the technology of a SE K750i 2Mega pixel camera...

And wow... what a phone...

Add wi-fi too..?  Crikey...  Where do I get one???  

If only...

[PaulOBrien]

Erm, I am pretty sure you CAN send via BT directly from the gallery application?

You select 'Beam' or something (don't have my phone to hand), and it shows the IR device and then the BT devices.

Can anyone else confirm?

I don't know how you've done it Shadamehr, I can't STAND the S60 UI!

P

[www.msmobiles.com]

No Windows Mobile 5.0  :roll: , no deal  :exclaim:

Apart from that: I still keep dreaming about MS Smartphone with built-in Wi-Fi...

[PaulOBrien]

It's on the way, just not yet

P

[antlane]

Paul [MVP], on Jun 5 2005, 21:17, said:

Erm, I am pretty sure you CAN send via BT directly from the gallery application?

You select 'Beam' or something (don't have my phone to hand), and it shows the IR device and then the BT devices.

Can anyone else confirm?

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Yup you can. And on the T-Mobile SDA Music, the HTC gallery application also allows you to transfer files using bluetooth.

[justsomeone]

hello all,
..although it is a good looking mobile phone, i can't see myself ever going back to the smartphone format... especially now after upgrading to the spv m2000. don't get me wrong, i loved my spv and my spv e200, but let's face it, the screen will always be too small.

[PaulOBrien]

I disagree... I have an M2000 and a C500, and quite often find the C500 much better for some tasks than the M2000.

For starters, a numeric keypad and T9 just works so well IMHO.

I've even installed HTC Phone Pad on the M2000, but it just ain't the same

P

[mavisdavis]

I'll be getting one on its release purely because my 6yr old son Louis wont put my C500 down. Its never plugged into it cradle befor 8pm every night.lol

I need a new phone so I can play aswell

[shadamehr]

Paul [MVP], on Jun 5 2005, 21:17, said:

Erm, I am pretty sure you CAN send via BT directly from the gallery application?

You select 'Beam' or something (don't have my phone to hand), and it shows the IR device and then the BT devices.

Can anyone else confirm?

I don't know how you've done it Shadamehr, I can't STAND the S60 UI!

P

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well, I have just checked, and in the Album Application on a C500, if I press the "Menu" soft key, it gives me Send, File, Save As, Rename, Properties etc etc..., and the Send option then lists "via MMS" or "via Email".

In Multimedia Album, the behaviour is the same, as it seems one and the same application.

And if I go to Camera, then choose Album, it DOES give me a different set of thumbnails, but the same options - via MMS, or via Email...

So somebody PLEASE help me out here, and tell me where I go to find BT sending direct from the Gallery on a C500...??

Or am I totally getting my wires crossed, and you mean in Windows Mobile 5? If so, then thanks for the heads up - can't say I spotted this when I had a play with it, but good to know if it is there now...

So, clarify?

Also Paul, you are the man to ask...

As my K750i upgrade is going back, I am thinking of just getting a phone 'to order' for a friend to buy from me, and use the cash to MAYBE get an i-mate jam on one of the Vodafone Expansys contract deals...

I could do with proper PC sync etc again, but of course then I lose out on Bluetooth notes etc, as mentioned in my earlier posts.

Did I read somewhere though that you thought the camera was rubbish - and is this still so with the recent ROM upgrade?

Should I give the i-mate jam a miss as a possible answer to my prayers?


Finally, the 6230i is Series 40 version 3 Interface, not Symbian Series 60...

So it really is the cut down OS, but the easy, simple, plain one... just no fancy and helpful features like a SmartPhone has...

[PaulOBrien]

Yeah, the Jam camera is pretty rubbish! Nice device (so long as you are happy with a Pocket PC) though overall.

Whack an EastGear (http://www.EastGear.com) WiFi card in there and you're pretty sorted

P

[shadamehr]

Paul [MVP], on Jun 5 2005, 23:29, said:

Yeah, the Jam camera is pretty rubbish! Nice device (so long as you are happy with a Pocket PC) though overall.

Whack an EastGear (http://www.EastGear.com) WiFi card in there and you're pretty sorted

P

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Mmm - cheers for that Paul.

Don't suppose you have any scenic daylight images you could share so we can see the quality?

Also, any more word on Gallery BT beaming - did you have a look and see where it's located, as I sure can't find it...

[spacerace]

daytime pictures aren't so bad actually, it's the even remotely low light pictures that are rubbish. suddenly "noise" (speckles) appears all over the place !

[antlane]

shadamehr, on Jun 5 2005, 23:03, said:

So somebody PLEASE help me out here, and tell me where I go to find BT sending direct from the Gallery on a C500...??

Or am I totally getting my wires crossed, and you mean in Windows Mobile 5? If so, then thanks for the heads up - can't say I spotted this when I had a play with it, but good to know if it is there now...

So, clarify?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, I was talking about on WM2005, but as I said, the Album application on the T-Mobile SDA music (well the one from Germany anyway) is virtually identical to the one on the C500 but it allows you to beam from it.

[shadamehr]

antlane, on Jun 6 2005, 00:02, said:

Yes, I was talking about on WM2005, but as I said, the Album application on the T-Mobile SDA music (well the one from Germany anyway) is virtually identical to the one on the C500 but it allows you to beam from it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not 'that' identical then...

Not on the C500...

Cheers though mate. Ta.

[Gears]

The C550 is appearing in Orange update gumph this month but I am still hearing July 11th. Either way it's always a hit 'n miss affair getting one in the first few days

[drblow]

Any chance people who have used this or similar QVGA devices could post a list of apps that can be confirmed as either working or not?  It would be much appreciated as this will probably be the biggest factor influencing whther or not I buy one of these babies!  Although, all that extra homescreen space is gonna be hard to resist!  

[JoshGrey]

June edition of T3 magazine in the UK suggests that the C550 won't out until around December of this year.

May not be the most reliable or accurate source but it's another date to throw in to the mix...

I guess a December launch/release might allow for a Windows Mobile 5 option... :??:

[glofi]

drblow, on Jun 5 2005, 00:17, said:

Will all of my apps & games just work OK on this larger screen res?

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I'm sitting with a C550 here now. Picture and info will be released during the day on www.mysmartphone.no