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[tobbbie]

Hi Ingvarr,

...sorry to say that also ß5 does not work in 2-way mode for the VOX. It seems that only in this case the card is opened in a different way compared to 2-way-read-only or 1-way (exclusive USB). The logfiles are attached again.

bye
tobbbie
:-)

Attached Files

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[Ingvarr]

tobbbie, on Mar 6 2009, 22:22, said:

...sorry to say that also ß5 does not work in 2-way mode for the VOX. It seems that only in this case the card is opened in a different way compared to 2-way-read-only or 1-way (exclusive USB). The logfiles are attached again.

Unfortunately it seems that Vox can not protect the card from writing on the PDA side. Without this, two-way mode with PC write access can not be used.

[tobbbie]

Ingvarr, on Mar 7 2009, 11:53, said:

Unfortunately it seems that Vox can not protect the card from writing on the PDA side. Without this, two-way mode with PC write access can not be used.

Why is ß2 working with that? I tried to write from the phone and it did not work as well - so it seems "protected" also there. Which scenarios should I avoid in case of ß2 use on the VOX? Writing to SD-card from that side is an exception anyway when connected to the PC via USB.

[Ingvarr]

B2 has a bug in protection routine. I won't be responsible if you corrupt your card with it
Your phone firmware is reporting that it can not protect the card. If it protects it after all, this a bug in the firmware (spurious error return). But I can not just ignore the protection error report, it can cause problems for people with properly made firmwares.

OS can write to FAT and directories (for example, updating access times) any time. If PDA and PC will be allowed to write them in same time, this can easely corrupt the core file system structures.

Edited by Ingvarr, 11 March 2009 - 08:06 AM.

[tobbbie]

Can you suggest a suitable set of tests that I can do to cross-check if the card is protected for device-writes, despite you get reported that is is NOT protected? I also wonder which part of the OS would be responsible to report this and if it is worth to check different ROMs or components of those.
Is there nobody else that checks for this on his VOX device?
Could it depend on the card as well (I use a 8GB class6 SanDisk)?

Edited by tobbbie, 11 March 2009 - 09:02 AM.

[Ingvarr]

*maybe* I will make a solution for this. Just give me some time.

[wheelman111]

thank you very much 4 this great app

[ioannis]

just installed b5 and was testing two-way.... ((Disabled read-only)

should files added to the card through the pc appear and be accessible on the card through the pda (htc touch) while WP5torage is active ?

[Ingvarr]

ioannis, on Mar 21 2009, 20:56, said:

just installed b5 and was testing two-way.... ((Disabled read-only)

should files added to the card through the pc appear and be accessible on the card through the pda (htc touch) while WP5torage is active ?

Ingvarr said:

Two-way is not a replacement for ActiveSync, this is primarily to allow people to still use some semi-static data (ringtones/etc) from storage card while using it in mass drive mode. Files written by USB will not immediately visible by Windows Mobile, and vice versa.

[netmaxd]

Hi

Works very well with a HP110 Win6.
It works with a PC running Windows and Linux with Ubuntu.
Good App!
Thank you !

[MAPGPS]

Ingvarr,

WM5torage is indeed a very powerful tool.

I have successfully used it together with WINDOWS XP Partition Management to re-partition the flash ROM on my amsam M810.

My M810 device is equipped with 1GB flash ROM, and initially 870MB for the user partition. But the data on the user partition will be lost after a hard-reset.

So I decided to re-partition it as 133MB for the user partition, and the rest of 729MB as an Extended ROM partition (displayed as folder "\Mounted Volume" on M810) to store my applications. The data on Extended ROM partition will be saved even after a hard-reset. This Extended ROM partition is also very useful for some key applications, such as the GPS Thief Protection.

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This is OK on my M810, but failed on my another Mio A700 device.

After more digging, I found the differences:
WM5torage on M810 shows 2 storage devices for the flash ROM, while A700 shows 1 storage device for the flash ROM.

I used the pdocread tool to show the partition info of flash ROM.

Here is the M810 partition info:
C:\Scoter Kitchen\Utilities\TOOLS\itsutils> pdocread -l
60.00M (0x3bf1000) TRUEFFS ---> Firmware
| 1.37M (0x15fc00) Part00 ---> XIP0 of Firmware
| 1.88M (0x1e0000) Part01 ---> XIP1 of Firmware
| 56.69M (0x38b1000) Part02 ---> CE OS of Firmware
870.00M (0x365b0000) DSK2: ---> System
| 133.32M (0x8552400) Part00 ---> User Partion (folder "\")
| 729.48M (0x2d97bc00) Part01 ---> Extended ROM partition (folder "\Mounted Volume")
1.90G (0x79b00000) DSK1: ---> SD Card
| 1.90G (0x79ae1200) Part00
STRG handles:
handle#0 c77f6212 1.90G (0x79ae1200)
handle#1 e795ab52 729.48M (0x2d97bc00)
handle#2 27a7c25a 133.32M (0x8552400)
handle#3 87a7ccfe 56.69M (0x38b1000)
handle#4 47a7ca4a 1.88M (0x1e0000)
handle#5 67a7ca26 1.37M (0x15fc00)

The partition names match the storage device names showed on WM5torage: TRUEFFS, DSK2: and DSK1:

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Here is the A700 partition info:
C:\Scoter Kitchen\Utilities\TOOLS\itsutils> pdocread -l
50.00M (0x3200000) TrueFFS
| 1.06M (0x10fc00) Part00
| 1.63M (0x1a0000) Part01
| 44.94M (0x2cf0000) Part02
| 2.38M (0x260000) Part03
66.38M (0x4261200) TrueFFS
| 1.06M (0x10fc00) Part00
| 1.63M (0x1a0000) Part01
| 44.94M (0x2cf0000) Part02
| 2.38M (0x260000) Part03
1.90G (0x79b00000) DSK1:
| 1.90G (0x79ae1200) Part00
STRG handles:
handle c23768c6243.95M (0xf3f3600)
handle e3f29aba 66.38M (0x4260000)
handle c3f666d2 2.38M (0x260000)
handle 83fabfd2 44.94M (0x2cf0000)
handle e3fabeca 1.63M (0x1a0000)
handle c3fabea6 1.06M (0x10fc00)


The partition names partially match the storage device names showed on WM5torage: TrueFFS and DSK1:

But missing the second partition (66.38MB, with the same name TrueFFS). That is to say WM5torage can only view the first partition which is the firmware, but not the second partition which is the user partition.

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I guess the reason is that WM5torage use the partition name to identify the storage devices, not the device STRG handles.

Ingvarr, could you update WM5torage to support device handles in case of duplicate device names?

MAPGPS

Edited by MAPGPS, 12 April 2009 - 08:53 AM.

[Ingvarr]

MAPGPS, on Apr 12 2009, 11:22, said:

I guess the reason is that WM5torage use the partition name to identify the storage devices, not the device STRG handles.

Ingvarr, could you update WM5torage to support device handles in case of duplicate device names?

I am not aware of the way in WM API to open disk store for direct access without referring to it by name. Yes, you can enumerate all stores and see that there are indeed two with the same name, but you cant actually open store from inside enumerating.
All disk devices addressed by names, not by "handles" you mention here (that seem to relate more to internal FS stuff - WM5torage does not work on such low level).

[Ingvarr]

Version 1.89 Release Candidate 1 is available

This one should fix issue with Vox being unable to write-protect card in two-way mode (if it indeed can protect it).

If no new issues found, it will be finalised into final release.

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•  WM5torage_189RC1.CAB   39.41K   34 downloads

[tobbbie]

Still the same for the VOX unfortunately - no two-way mode possible if the USB connected PC shall be able to write to the card. Read-Only and exclusive modes are ok. This version does no more create (or write to) the wm5drvlog.txt file - so no new info can be delivered.

[MAPGPS]

Ingvarr, on Apr 13 2009, 02:00, said:

I am not aware of the way in WM API to open disk store for direct access without referring to it by name. Yes, you can enumerate all stores and see that there are indeed two with the same name, but you cant actually open store from inside enumerating.

What I mean is to use the handle of a store already opened by WM, not to open a new handle to a store by WM5torage.
The pdocread tool used in my previous post can access a partition either by name or by known WM handle (-h option).

pdocread tool and its source code (written by itsme on XDA-Developers) can be found from here.
ITGetSTRGHandleList() may be a reference.

Another problem I encountered is:
I have 2 partitions on a store (an internal flash ROM store or a SD card store).
With WM5torage option "Removable Class" ticked On, I can only see the first partition on PC side via USB.
With that option ticked Off, I can see both partitions on PC side, but strange things happened:
The files I copied into the second partition on PC side are not able to be seen on WM side by file manager, but the storage space reported by WM storage manager is indeed reduced to reflect the size of storied files.

I have tried the partition type of primary or extended/logical, but no luck.
All of them are OK if I only operate (read/write files) that 2 partitions on WM side only.
I guess the PC side (mapped by WM5torage) and WM side are referring 2 different FAT tables for the second partition, as I even can copy a file with the same name but different contents into that partition again on WM side although I have already copied it on PC side. But their contents are different I viewed from PC and WM respectively. That is to say the same file name has different contents in it. If I delete it from WM, I can still see it from PC by WM5torage!

If WM5torage lists all available partitions instead of just the list of stores, the problem of multi-partitions of a store may be resolved.

As you know, more and more people use large capacity of SD card (4GB, 8GB …), and they want to partition it into small partitions (2GB) to overcome the SD capacity limitation of some devices.

MAPGPS

Edited by MAPGPS, 13 April 2009 - 06:03 AM.

[Ingvarr]

MAPGPS, on Apr 13 2009, 06:25, said:

What I mean is to use the handle of a store already opened by WM, not to open a new handle to a store by WM5torage.
The pdocread tool used in my previous post can access a partition either by name or by known WM handle (-h option).

pdocread tool and its source code (written by itsme on XDA-Developers) can be found from here.
ITGetSTRGHandleList() may be a reference.

Another problem I encountered is:
I have 2 partitions on a store (an internal flash ROM store or a SD card store).
With WM5torage option "Removable Class" ticked On, I can only see the first partition on PC side via USB.
With that option ticked Off, I can see both partitions on PC side, but strange things happened:
The files I copied into the second partition on PC side are not able to be seen on WM side by file manager, but the storage space reported by WM storage manager is indeed reduced to reflect the size of storied files.

I have tried the partition type of primary or extended/logical, but no luck.
All of them are OK if I only operate (read/write files) that 2 partitions on WM side only.
I guess the PC side (mapped by WM5torage) and WM side are referring 2 different FAT tables for the second partition, as I even can copy a file with the same name but different contents into that partition again on WM side although I have already copied it on PC side. But their contents are different I viewed from PC and WM respectively. That is to say the same file name has different contents in it. If I delete it from WM, I can still see it from PC by WM5torage!

If WM5torage lists all available partitions instead of just the list of stores, the problem of multi-partitions of a store may be resolved.

As you know, more and more people use large capacity of SD card (4GB, 8GB …), and they want to partition it into small partitions (2GB) to overcome the SD capacity limitation of some devices.

MAPGPS

I am not keen to use undocumented ways just to support already standard-breaking cases like duplicate device names. No need to break potential compatibility even more.
Microsoft documentation clearly states that each disk device must have an unique name. I will consider fixing duplicate device case if you can point me to Microsoft-documented way to enumerate just handles (instead of direct process memory access/parsing that itsutils.dll seem to do to enumerate handles).

Again, WM5torage does not work with partitions for disk access. For USB disk access, the whole disk device gets exposed. All partition shenanigans resulting will be totally fault of WM/PC Windows.
As far as I know, there is no proper way to export two partition using "removable" flag. In removable mode, disk is like "big floppy", PC OS does not expect partitions in this mode (but WM5torage does not do any partition hiding, all it does it sets a single bit flag in USB MS protocol).
Same with two partitions in non-removable mode. WM5torage does not do any partition processing, it exports the whole disk, MBR record including. I have reports from people who did indeed use two partitions successfully, so it defenitely possible. Maybe some proper reformatting is in order (deleting 2nd FAT copy maybe?)

Edited by Ingvarr, 13 April 2009 - 08:15 AM.

[zatrick]

Hello, everybody,
Sorry for my so bad English.
I have a HTC P-6500 and wm5torage doesn't work on it, I have a removable disk on pc but when I click on it, the computer tel me insert a disk in removable disk H (where H is a the letter of removable disk drive). Just for information not for support, I have Softick card export II and doesn't work correctly for file more than 500kb, if I put a 2Mb file,  I have a problem when i click on these file on my HTC an I have a message about this file same as unsigned cab file and when I send it with ActiveSync, it work correctly on my HTC P-6500. I have two accessible external sd slot on my p-6500, I have a two card sd on these two slot and the comportment is not the same between them. The p-6500 is a qualcomm processor based. At this time I can't use my phone same as usb key and I don't know why.
Thank you.

[Ingvarr]

tobbbie, on Apr 13 2009, 03:53, said:

Still the same for the VOX unfortunately - no two-way mode possible if the USB connected PC shall be able to write to the card. Read-Only and exclusive modes are ok. This version does no more create (or write to) the wm5drvlog.txt file - so no new info can be delivered.

Please test the attached version, it has logging enabled.

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•  WM5torage_189BETA6.CAB   82.73K   18 downloads

[tobbbie]

Ingvarr, on Apr 14 2009, 23:12, said:

Please test the attached version, it has logging enabled.

See attached logfile - different options and combinations were tested, still the only non working is still the "Two-Way + Write-from-USB".

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•  wm5drvlog_189__6.zip   1.65K   27 downloads

[Ingvarr]

tobbbie, on Apr 15 2009, 10:45, said:

See attached logfile - different options and combinations were tested, still the only non working is still the "Two-Way + Write-from-USB".

It does not work because Vox indeed fails to protect partition from writes on the PDA side.
The test file was successfully deleted from PDA side, so partition was not protected - and its something I can not fix unfortunately.

Edited by Ingvarr, 15 April 2009 - 11:57 AM.