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Hmm, I really don't know - in any case, Orange need to discover your currently-assigned IP# so the de-cert process can continue. Try this: get on the net using your CSD connection and visit www.myip.dk - it'll give you an indication of whether your IP# will be visible to Orange's de-cert server.


I don't think that's the problem... I tried going to www.myip.dk both on my computer and on my phone and I do get an IP adress. I even tried going through the entire unlock procedure using IE on my SPV, and there was no error or anything. It got to the "You phone is now unlocked please wait 5 minutes blabla" page but nothing happens after that. No confirmation on the phone... I don't get it...

Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance...

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I am having a similar problem. It seems to me that the process has changed since the initial "how to" guide was prepared. I do not get the option to down load the program referred to. Instead, I get a message saying:

"Your SPV will be unlocked shortly and a message will appear on the screen of your SPV to confirm this. Please note that it may take upto [sic] 5 minutes for your device to be unlocked.

This is the message that will appear on your SPV [picture]".

It is implied that this will happen automatically without further ado. Looking at the forum, some users appear to be experiencing this: MoRFLeZ wrote

Is there a reason it was sooo easy for me? Have I only done half .. cause I didn't download anything .. or put anything on my phone ... !?!


I have tried 5 times now w/o success. I am curently trying it without having my phone in cradle, in case it is using the pass through instead of properly activating GPRS.

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TnT: do a whois at www.ripe.net to check the owner of the IP number and see if it's registered as a proxy IP (i.e. proxy.xxxxxx.xxx). If your CSD connection connects via a proxy server then it could well be that you won't get the confirmation as Orange won't be able to _authenticate_ your IP as a phone, just as a proxy.

Have you tried installing a non-certified app anyway?

legalbeagle: The process hasn't changed since I wrote the step-by-step, I did another phone for a mate in the same way two days ago.

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Has anyone considered that if we decert our SPVs this way, Orange might find out if you've net-unlocked it on your own?

I'm from Germany, got my SPV from Switzerland, but (because it was already expensive enough) I uses SPVUnlock.exe to read out the netlock unlock code from the device and then unlocked it to use it with my german SIM. I believe most SPV users from countries where the SPV is not available did the same.

Now I'm a little bit afraid that Orange can realize that I'm trying to decert a SPV using a non-Orange SIM even though I never purchased the netlock unlock code from them. I don't want to think about what nasty things this "Action lock" application might do to my SPV...

What do you guys think about that?

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BigBlue: you've been reading too many conspiracy novels, m8. It's in no way illegal to SIM-unlock your phone as long as you pay your contractually obliged [x] months - not in any Northern-european country, at any rate AFAIK.

I doubt somewhat that Orange have a record of all the phones that have been unlocked, given that they're being sold all over northwestern europe. If you believe Action Lock will wreck your SPV, then think again. We've all bought our own SPVs, Orange can't deliberately lock our property by way of getting us to download and run a "malicious" app - think of the amount of cases that'd be started against them. What if they made an administrative mistake and locked a phone that was bought unlocked for development? Too big a risk, and simply not worth the hassle for them.

If you have a problem with that or you're a chicken (no shame in that, by the way), fair enough, don't do the de-cert.

This thread is here to help those who DO want to do the de-cert but are having problems; if you have an opinion about the morals of the matter, post it elsewhere on the board, please.

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YEAHH!!! :lol:

The unlock finally got through... It apparently just needed some time, cause I didn't try further since my last post and when I got home from work the unlock screen appeared. I'm SO happy now.. ;) ScummVM here I come...

Good luck to the rest of you who still have problems... Maybe you just need some time too..

Regards, TnT

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It's in no way illegal to SIM-unlock your phone as long as you pay your contractually obliged [x]months - not in any Northern-european country, at any rate AFAIK.

You're probably right. On the other hand - the company where I have my contract from has not anything to do with Orange. If my contract would be from Orange, your argument would be ok. But since it isn't... :roll:

I doubt somewhat that Orange have a record of all the phones that have been unlocked, given that they're being sold all over northwestern europe. If you believe Action Lock will wreck your SPV, then think again. We've all bought our own SPVs, Orange can't deliberately lock our property by way of getting us to download and run a "malicious" app - think of the amount of cases that'd be started against them. What if they made an administrative mistake and locked a phone that was bought unlocked for development?  Too big a risk, and simply not worth the hassle for them.

Yes, sounds reasonable.

If you have a problem with that or you're a chicken

I like chicken. With garlic sauce f.i. ... :lol:

The simple point is that I didn't wanted my EUR 500 phone to be f*cked up because Orange would have preferred that I payed them EUR 100 for net-unlocking. There is absolutely no moral aspects about my posting.

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I just did it - worked like a breese... ;)

Thanks alot!

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> I just did it - worked like a breese...

Heh heh - good on ya. I doubt O's Men in Black will be knocking on your door tonight (pretty cool if they do though :twisted: )

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For anyone still having problems I received this PDF file from Orange today

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That is kind of them, all they need to do now is enable the link, the unlocking link seems to be disabled now!

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En eller anden, plz hjælp mig med er fortælle mig hvordan jeg unlocker på dansk... jeg fatter minus af engelsk....

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For anyone still having problems I received this PDF file from Orange today


Heh, very nice of Orange - but they neglect to mention that you often *don't* get taken to the Action Register page on the second attempt to register. I've tried all manner of *figures* in the phone number/IMEI fields 2nd time around and then I *always* get the confirmatin-page, never the AR page. Letters seem to do the trick, though...

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En eller anden, plz hjælp mig med er fortælle mig hvordan jeg unlocker på dansk... jeg fatter minus af engelsk....


Har du ikke set MoRFLeZ indlæg for et par dage siden? Send mig en PM hvis du stadig har brug for en oversættelse.

Other users (in case you're wondering what we're on about): maber's not so hot with english, I've asked him to PM me from now on if he needs translations and so on; this thread's already confused enough as it is :lol:

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ahh ok ... thx MoRLeZ and Chris

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hello.

maybe this can help.
i followed exactly the instruction given at the top of the post;
i tried a hundred times but it wouldn't work. (i'm a french user).

i finally managed to have it work; here's how:

i tried registering my phone w/ action register a couple of times
using a different # format each time: +33[space]xxxxx, +33xxxx,
and 06xxxxx.
when i used the +33xx and space format in the online form it wouldn't
work.
it only worked when i used the basic 06xxxxx format. i did this while
my phone was GPRSly online :lol: , and 30 seconds my connexion on
a random site was redirected to the success page.

i yet have to try if it's actually unlocked :?

thanks to everyone _ good luck

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vviinnzz: the process seems to vary from country to country. Maybe it depends on how the different networks/carriers deal with international prefixes. This seems the most likely explanation. Do me a fave, if you manage to get your method to work on any other french SPVs, drop me a PM and I'll include it in the original post.

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Hello all!!!

Maber here!

THXXXXXXXXXXXXX allllllllllllll very very very thx to all!!!

My phone is unlocked! thx again :lol:

Anyone know some good site where i can downloade "free" apps?

thx

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thx for that

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My phone unlocked eventually - about 5 times (should have been more patient). The procedure for the UK is different from that described in the guide (there is no need to download action register - the whole process is performed remotely by Orange over GPRS).

From a legal perspective, on the unlocking debate, it is not illegal (ie a criminal wrong) but may be unlawful (in breach of contract). If you are in breach of contract, you may be asked to rectify the situation and pay any damages. SIM unlocking may cause Orange some damage, but de-certifying is unlikely to (unless, for example, you upload a virus to the network, or something equally improbable). However, by not using the decertified phone in accordance with the contractual provisions agreed to as part of the process, you are in breach of contract. Small amounts of damages are usually not worth pursuing due to the costs involved. However, you may be asked to stop acting in breach of contract, and Orange's best threat is to disconnect you.

Having said all that, IMO the provision of a de-certification link with so few safeguards as to its use would appear to be tacit admission by Orange that the certification procedure is not working as a safeguard (it will not stop hackers etc from accessing the phone) and 'advanced' users who want to access the potential of the device should be allowed to do so.

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