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T-Mobile uses a very unique specific sliver of 1700 and 2100MHz for up/down. Frequency selection is a quirk of the way the spectrum was auctioned off in the US; look up Advanced Wireless Service (AWS).

NOBODY in the world uses this, and no 3G phones (except a rumored one from T-Mobile USA) support it. Also, 1700MHz still has some USA gov't/military still using it, and they get to stay around for another 10 years counting from 2006, or so.

HOWEVER, if the Kaiser uses the msm7200 with the RTR6285 transceiver, then it seems to support AWS and 1700MHz, if I read http://www.cdmatech....200_chipset.pdf correctly, as well as this phonescoop article.

I'm assuming it is the RTR6285 because the Kaiser supports UMTS 2100 (RTR6275/RFR6525, RTR6285), UMTS 1900+850 (RTR6275/RFR6500, RTR6285), and UMTS 2100 + 800 (RTR6275/RFR6525, RTR6285).

The only one that seems to cross all of these bands together is the RTR6285 which also supports 2100 + 1700 + 800MHz (AWS except for the 800), and triple-band receive ability. There's also this Qualcomm PR about AWS support.

Couple that with Kaiser rumors of a T-Mobile USA debut soon ... ;) Maybe the Kaiser won't be obsolete 2008 before WiMaxx/4G/LTE now.

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Couple that with Kaiser rumors of a T-Mobile USA debut soon ... ;) Maybe the Kaiser won't be obsolete 2008 before WiMaxx/4G/LTE now.


Huh, What? Where are these rumors, because I would like to read them? I've been looking daily and have not seen one yet.

I'm currently using T-mobile and will be buying an unlocked kaiser and then waiting a little while before switching to AT&T's service. But if there was a way to use T-mobil's 3G service when it gets here that would be awsome.

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Do you guys think that the Tilt actually showing at PhoneScoop might mean something? as far as, being released soon..
i just sent them a correction email on a few things, and asked some questions at the same time, i guess wel see what they say.

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No news was way better than bad news:

http://www.engadget....ed-a-few-weeks/

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I've been tweaking like a fool on my new Kaiser and it's really a sold and stable unit. The biggest issue that I'm seeing over on XDA Developers where I hang is BT Headset performance. Many are complaining that BT headsets that sound good on almost any old phone, sound "tinny" and low volume on the Kaiser. I use Jawbone headsets and I have to agree that the volume is certainly lower on my Kaiser than my Hermes. One guy, a reseller, claims that he's tried 30 Kaisers and about 10 headsets and they all have this low volume/poor quality sound.

All other sounds sent via bluetooth or wired sould good, just phone transmissions. HTC needs to hear this LOUD and clear from us, that a fix must be found.

Other than that, the phone is a killer product! Hopefully the AT&T Tilts won't suffer this problem when they surface!

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No news was way better than bad news:

http://www.engadget....ed-a-few-weeks/

lol "tilt delayed a few weeks"
first of all, this isnt anything new? it already has been delayed.
we've been hearing dates of it being released, and it hasnt happened, so what makes it being delayed just as true? anything we hear is gonna change, whether it be the Tilt being released or delayed, it's all the same, its just about waiting.

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Kaiser shows up on amazon - http://www.amazon.co...L...769&sr=8-10

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Kaiser shows up on amazon - http://www.amazon.co...L...769&sr=8-10

yea an amazon link has already been posted here i think, but their price is outragious, $1000. most places are close to 1000 but dont actually get into the 4 digits.

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yea an amazon link has already been posted here i think, but their price is outragious, $1000. most places are close to 1000 but dont actually get into the 4 digits.


That's not Amazon actually selling it, but rather a 3rd party seller with a 50% positive rating. So I'd like to see who's willing to pay $200+ more from an unreputable dealer, he he.

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Oh, some nice pics of the 8925. I doubt there is photoshopping involved.


http://mobilitytoday...erizon_att.html

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That's not Amazon actually selling it, but rather a 3rd party seller with a 50% positive rating. So I'd like to see who's willing to pay $200+ more from an unreputable dealer, he he.

It's even more funny that there's also a link near the bottom selling it for $765.

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can anyone help me decide between a Trinity and a TyTN2? There's a big price gap -- is it worth it?

Thanks!

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can anyone help me decide between a Trinity and a TyTN2? There's a big price gap -- is it worth it?

Thanks!

I would go with the Kaiser, but it does depend what your using it for.

TyTN II/Kaiser Pros:

Kaiser has 128mb of ram as the Trinity only has 64mb.
Kaiser has 256mb of rom, Trinity has 128mb.
Kaiser has wm6, Trinity has wm5.
Kaiser has a faster Qualcomm Chip.
Kaiser has a QWERTY keyboard, trinity doesnt.
Kaiser has USB 2.0, Trinity is only 1.1.
Kaiser has a 3.1mp camera, Trinity is only 1.9mp.

Trinity Pros:
1500mAh battery, Kaiser only has 1350mAh.

So it depends if you want more and better features. I like gaming, taking photos and videos, and a fast device, which is why im going with the Kaiser (AT&T Tilt Brand)

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HOWEVER, if the Kaiser uses the msm7200 with the RTR6285 transceiver, then it seems to support AWS and 1700MHz,
I'm assuming it is the RTR6285 because the Kaiser supports UMTS 2100 (RTR6275/RFR6525, RTR6285), UMTS 1900+850 (RTR6275/RFR6500, RTR6285), and UMTS 2100 + 800 (RTR6275/RFR6525, RTR6285).


Does anyone know which version of the MSM7200 is in the Kaiser? I've searched around but have not found any confirmationon of this.

Edited by ScrewlooseAZ, 26 September 2007 - 04:49 AM.

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Hi Paul, I am Andy, from Hong Kong. I have been reading this forum for more than 4 months already (Really thanks for all your information and review posted here) and I was waiting the Kaiser to be launch in Asia for long. Now, I got my sweet deivce 2 days before.

Well, I have a question about the GPS. The QuickFix software works really great. This helps me initialize my GPS for first fix be done in seconds (e.g. within 30 seconds so far). But I found that there is a delaying issue here. After the GPS was fixed, the refleshing rate is pretty slow (say every 5 ~ 10 seconds). I can tell this by watching the GPS stream data. Those data always come in all the data at the same time and stop for couple of seconds (e.g. 10 seconds). During this period, my position remains no change even I was moving in a car. Before this device, I was using Dopod D810 (Tririty). Although, D810 took mintues to fix the position initially, the refleshing rate is really fast. I can see the "red" / "blue" bar (GPS Singal strength from GPS Monitor) kept moving (like refleshing in less than 1 seconds).

Do you have this problem on your device? or this is normal?

Thanks in advance.

Andy

What are you using to watch the data? I've sort of had this in some instances...

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What are you using to watch the data? I've sort of had this in some instances...

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Hi Paul, I am using a map software called MapKing2007 (www.mapasia.com). Under this application, there is a GPS status monitoring feature. Such that, I can see the GPS data stream flowing.

Actually, I've managed to resolve the problem (workaround it to be exact) by installing a GPSGate software as the common gateway for those GPS signal. This application will capture the GPS signal from the OS level directly and multicast the singal to one or more virtual com port (e.g. com 1). All other GPS application can obtain the filtered / consolidated signal. And seems that the application works fine after adding this layer of GPS signal filtering.

BTW, do you encounter this problem on other software before? Is that related to the hardware / software compatability issue? Please advice.

Thanks, Paul.

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GPSgate does work, bit over the top tho ;)

Can't really tell what's causing it!

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T-Mobile Germany is shipping the HTC Kaiser aka
MDA Vario III to Business Customers since Okt. 1st.

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Got it now - wow! Smaller than expected-good.

HSDPA 3.6 at my place (poor singal quality):
Download 959kb/s=120kByte/s
Upload 216kb/s=27kByte/s
Ping=107ms

EDGE (good signal quality):
Download 227kb/s=28kByte/s
Upload 48kb/s=6kByte/s
Ping=376ms

Other server:
Download: 1.177 kbit/s (147 kByte/s)
Upload: 238 kbit/s (30 kByte/s)

WLAN-Login ca. 5 Sec. -> super IMHO
I like this device.

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Anybody got any news on when Brodit will be releasing a car kit for the TyTN II?

I'm also waiting on O2-UK to release the TyTN II (O2 is the only network to get any service where I live and I'm only 10 miles from London, go figure). If I don't hear something soon, I'm going to go for the O2 "Simplicity" option and buy an unlocked version, I think. It seems to be just as cheap to do it that way and you're on a month by month contract instead of being tied in.

Anybody know anything to help my decision?

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I'm a U.S. AT&T customer. I've dealt with the same knowledgeable Cingular/AT&T independent reseller (Darin Roth of "The Phone Store" (innovative, what?)) for years, and his information always is excellent. I placed my order for the AT&T8925/Kaiser/TyTN II/Tilt a couple of weeks ago, and just received this message from Darin:

"Just got off a conference call.......they just said the release date is now 092507."

FWIW.


Well, the original notice from AT&T was off by nine days, but they finally got off the dime. I just received the following message from Darin of "The Phone Store," an authorized AT&T agent in Kansas City, Missouri, USA, about my new HTC/AT&T 8925:

"Subject: Tilt. "I just got notification. We will have it tomorrow by 3:00PM."

Cheers!

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