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[jgtthd]

ah one more important question!

have you tried the onboard wifi tethering program?  if so how was it/easy to use and how was the generated wifi speed on the attached computer?

thanks!

[andybarker]

Having never tried a touchscreen bigger than the Universal (3.75"), is the on screen keyboard easy to type at a reasonable rate?  I've got reasonably large fingers, and wondered if i'd be able to use the qwerty on screen keyboard on the HD2 (I struggle with the Universal one using thumbs).

[rovex]

I think a lot of these questions can be answered by looking at the custom ROMs threads on XDA-devs, since many phones (mine included) already run the Leo ROMS. For example the Wifi app. I have it on my HD and its fast and easy to use.

Most important i think are the movie playback speed with coreplayer/WMP and GPS speed (the 2 biggest issues with current HTC devices), sound quality and things like the compass (is it fast? I found the heros sluggish), battery life, and brightness and usability of the capacitive screen.

[l3v5y]

Paul, on Nov 3 2009, 16:56, said:

- No DivX support out of the box
- It's a slightly shinier 6.1. More significant are the HTC UI enhancements.
- The app market is a bit thin on content atm.
- Yes, it includes a copilot trial.
- Will test MP3 playback.
- Speakerphone is pretty loud!
- It records VGA video.
- Camera seems fairly good with and without flash, will take some test shots.
- No global search out of the box.
- I've not used a 3GS.
- If required!

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WM does have "Search" which although a little dated does search everything, with the option of choosing things based on what uses them (like Outlook, Calendar etc).

[PaulOBrien]

andybarker, on Nov 3 2009, 17:22, said:

Having never tried a touchscreen bigger than the Universal (3.75"), is the on screen keyboard easy to type at a reasonable rate?  I've got reasonably large fingers, and wondered if i'd be able to use the qwerty on screen keyboard on the HD2 (I struggle with the Universal one using thumbs).

Yeah, it's goodm if you really struggled with the qwerty you could switch to 20 or 12 key...

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[PaulOBrien]

jgtthd, on Nov 3 2009, 17:05, said:

ah one more important question!

have you tried the onboard wifi tethering program?  if so how was it/easy to use and how was the generated wifi speed on the attached computer?

thanks!

I have tried it (it's good!) but didn't measure the speed!

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[PaulOBrien]

rovex, on Nov 3 2009, 17:28, said:

I think a lot of these questions can be answered by looking at the custom ROMs threads on XDA-devs, since many phones (mine included) already run the Leo ROMS. For example the Wifi app. I have it on my HD and its fast and easy to use.

Most important i think are the movie playback speed with coreplayer/WMP and GPS speed (the 2 biggest issues with current HTC devices), sound quality and things like the compass (is it fast? I found the heros sluggish), battery life, and brightness and usability of the capacitive screen.

Compass seems very responsive, brightness of the screen is good and the capactive screen's usability is excellent thus far (altho marking text for cut / paste seemed a bit inaccurate?)

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[PaulOBrien]

Our Leo forum - http://Leo.MoDaCo.com is now open!

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[The Gambles]

Hi Paul

Another Paul here :-)

Lots of questions on the 4winmobile site as part of their review prep.

In reality ... many have been answered ... but those that haven't that you could check very quickly :

What is the screen made of ? Is it definitely glass ... ie cold ... or is it more like a hard plastic ?

With the pinch to zoom in apps like Pocket Informant and WM native settings screens ... we've seen websites showing PI being zoomed with a mini zoom location windows at the bottom middle. Once zoomed ... I'd suspect you'd then touch buttons / selections more easily as they would be bigger ... it would be good to confirm this actually works on the GA device.

The pictures of the supplied headphone jack shows it has 4 contacts. This as many have mentioned is usual only with devices that include TV-Out. We know the HD2 isn't advertised with TV-Out ... but it would be interesting to see what would happen if you installed a TV-Out cable from a device like the TP2.

I agree ... please take the device outside and see how clear it is in day light .... doesn't have to be particularly sunny to tell if it is better than the TP2 (which I thought was better than the TyTNII) or the Omnia2 (the device I was going to get before the HD2 was announced ... and I understand although the AMOLED is lovely in doors it is not good in outside light).

Can you see if you can disable TF3D / Sense ... it is rumoured this isn't straight forward ... which I find extraordinary. If you can ... it would be great to see what the experience is like with MS3.5.

If you have a stowaway BT keyboard and mouse ... it would be great to check it works on the HD2. I have one that I have used under 6.1 with the TyTNII ... I think with the screen this size, the combination of the two will actually be useful to me for the first time.

Everyone has talked about potential issues re graphics drivers etc. I really don't know how much of a problem this will be either way. There has been some interesting debate on xda-developers recently suggesting that performance is good and infact ... other sites showing side by side test of openGL against the HD ... and the HD2 was massively faster. This seemed contrary to previous benchmarks that showed massive performance everywhere but 3G graphics. I guess what I'm asking is ... do you have any other benchmarks etc that you can run that may shed light.

Could you try as many native WM apps (those not touched by TF3D) and those decent apps like PI, Flexmail, Cash Organiser, Softmaker Office etc that haven't yet been optimised for touch ... it would just be interesting to see in practice how easy these were to use ... again ... I guess this depends on whether the above general zoom capability was delivered in the GA rom and how effective it is once you are zoomed in.

I'm also interested in how the battery back is detached ? Is there a lock ... a clip ... ? how do you remove it ... is it easy ? does it seem sturdy ? Will obviously be important for soft resets and swapping the MicroSDHC.

Sure there will be more ... but it would be great to get answers to these as soon as possible.

Seems daft really ... I should have it by the 11th (Clove now saying dispatch on the 10th) ... but I'm at a 3 day digital forensics event tue-thu next week ... so I won't be back to play with it until the Friday - so any advance warning of potential downsides ... or better still ... an indication that the above are not problems ... would be excellent.

Cheers

Paul.

[siksik6]

For my 2p - I'd just like to see the camera, stills in all normal and low light, plus video recording in both.

Can you use the leds whilst recording videos? Does it focus when taking a video?

Pretty sure I read on mobile-review it plays DiVX file easily..

[firstandlast]

Hi,

I just wanted to know if the co-pilot software is version 7 or 8. If it's 7 can it be removed from the add remove programs section.

I have version 8 already and understand there have been issues with people not being able to install version 8 on devices with version 7 on them.

Many thanks,

Paul.

[raimondomartire]

is possible videocall?

[l3v5y]

firstandlast, on Nov 3 2009, 21:12, said:

Hi,

I just wanted to know if the co-pilot software is version 7 or 8. If it's 7 can it be removed from the add remove programs section.

I have version 8 already and understand there have been issues with people not being able to install version 8 on devices with version 7 on them.

Many thanks,

Paul.

It's 8,0,0,457 from the ROM I've got... Also, it's not a CAB, it's a set of files, so there's no option to remove it.

[mcwarre]

Apart from the obvious battery question I think that the main one is it worth circa £500 sim-free???

[PaulOBrien]

siksik6, on Nov 3 2009, 20:10, said:

For my 2p - I'd just like to see the camera, stills in all normal and low light, plus video recording in both.

Can you use the leds whilst recording videos? Does it focus when taking a video?

Pretty sure I read on mobile-review it plays DiVX file easily..

You can use the LED light in camcorder mode. It auto focuses prior to starting the video then stays at that setting.

I will put a DivX on today and test!

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[PaulOBrien]

firstandlast, on Nov 3 2009, 21:12, said:

Hi,

I just wanted to know if the co-pilot software is version 7 or 8. If it's 7 can it be removed from the add remove programs section.

I have version 8 already and understand there have been issues with people not being able to install version 8 on devices with version 7 on them.

Many thanks,

Paul.

It's Co-Pilot live 8.

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[PaulOBrien]

raimondomartire, on Nov 3 2009, 21:20, said:

is possible videocall?

No.

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[PaulOBrien]

mcwarre, on Nov 3 2009, 23:18, said:

Apart from the obvious battery question I think that the main one is it worth circa £500 sim-free???

Everyone's 'worth £500' is different!

It compares favourably with other similarly priced devices I guess!

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[PaulOBrien]

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

What is the screen made of ? Is it definitely glass ... ie cold ... or is it more like a hard plastic ?

It certainly feels like glass.

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

With the pinch to zoom in apps like Pocket Informant and WM native settings screens ... we've seen websites showing PI being zoomed with a mini zoom location windows at the bottom middle. Once zoomed ... I'd suspect you'd then touch buttons / selections more easily as they would be bigger ... it would be good to confirm this actually works on the GA device.

The magnifier works in such a way that you pinch zoom, but when you then click it returns to 1x magnification.

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

The pictures of the supplied headphone jack shows it has 4 contacts. This as many have mentioned is usual only with devices that include TV-Out. We know the HD2 isn't advertised with TV-Out ... but it would be interesting to see what would happen if you installed a TV-Out cable from a device like the TP2.

I don't have a TV Out cable to test unfortunately!

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

I agree ... please take the device outside and see how clear it is in day light .... doesn't have to be particularly sunny to tell if it is better than the TP2 (which I thought was better than the TyTNII) or the Omnia2 (the device I was going to get before the HD2 was announced ... and I understand although the AMOLED is lovely in doors it is not good in outside light).

The rain has abated today so i'll try and do some outside comparisons with my Omnia 2.

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

Can you see if you can disable TF3D / Sense ... it is rumoured this isn't straight forward ... which I find extraordinary. If you can ... it would be great to see what the experience is like with MS3.5.

Not in the standard UI, all the windows places you'd do that are hidden away. You could do it with something like SKTools though.

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

If you have a stowaway BT keyboard and mouse ... it would be great to check it works on the HD2. I have one that I have used under 6.1 with the TyTNII ... I think with the screen this size, the combination of the two will actually be useful to me for the first time.

I don't i'm afraid!

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

Everyone has talked about potential issues re graphics drivers etc. I really don't know how much of a problem this will be either way. There has been some interesting debate on xda-developers recently suggesting that performance is good and infact ... other sites showing side by side test of openGL against the HD ... and the HD2 was massively faster. This seemed contrary to previous benchmarks that showed massive performance everywhere but 3G graphics. I guess what I'm asking is ... do you have any other benchmarks etc that you can run that may shed light.

I'll run some benchmarks for the review.

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

Could you try as many native WM apps (those not touched by TF3D) and those decent apps like PI, Flexmail, Cash Organiser, Softmaker Office etc that haven't yet been optimised for touch ... it would just be interesting to see in practice how easy these were to use ... again ... I guess this depends on whether the above general zoom capability was delivered in the GA rom and how effective it is once you are zoomed in.

See above. I'll install some of those apps for you and see how I get on.

The Gambles, on Nov 3 2009, 19:55, said:

I'm also interested in how the battery back is detached ? Is there a lock ... a clip ... ? how do you remove it ... is it easy ? does it seem sturdy ? Will obviously be important for soft resets and swapping the MicroSDHC.

You pull the thumb-indent on one side. Seems pretty tight and sturdy.It's made of metal too!

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[PaulOBrien]

A heads up that i'm pretty disappointed with the battery life in my limited testing so far...

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