JE1 News???

[Guest Rothariger]

does someone has any news about the JE1 ROM???

jejejeje... I'm impatience...

greetings.

[Guest drorcun]

does someone has any news about the JE1 ROM???

jejejeje... I'm impatience...

greetings.

i think this is why we don't have iphone..

[Guest speedfrog]

i think this is why we don't have iphone..

+1

if someone had any news about the JE1 ROM they would have posted it....

[Guest thegunners]

hope it will be 6.5.x !

[Guest silvos3189]

it will be

[Guest wlkmn]

Samsung Omnia II i8000 Windows Mobile 6.5.3 update

[Guest Rapid81]

I hope it will 6.5. I hate 6.5.X because it's full of bugs. :P And ugly.

[Guest dani_carrabba]

I hope it will 6.5. I hate 6.5.X because it's full of bugs. :D And ugly.

wm 6.5.x was the greatest MS can give yet, i like it very much compare to older build, i hate it closing app by clicking the top right corner :P

[Guest hughieoh]

wm 6.5.x was the greatest MS can give yet, i like it very much compare to older build, i hate it closing app by clicking the top right corner :P

i totally agree !!!!

[Guest Rapid81]

wm 6.5.x was the greatest MS can give yet, i like it very much compare to older build, i hate it closing app by clicking the top right corner :P

And you also like the misalignments, and the constant bugs and the ugly bottom buttons to? The 6.5.X versions are a mistake.

[Guest nipip]

And you also like the misalignments, and the constant bugs and the ugly bottom buttons to? The 6.5.X versions are a mistake.

misalignments: not ms fault, 3rd software must be corrected.

bugs: no version works without bugs (it's windows!!)

ugly buttons: there are nices skins here, and touch friendly of 6.5.x is welcome

I can add performance in general.

[Guest Ender Psp]

misalignments: not ms fault, 3rd software must be corrected.

bugs: no version works without bugs (it's windows!!)

ugly buttons: there are nices skins here, and touch friendly of 6.5.x is welcome

I can add performance in general.

I'm no fan of 6.5.3 either...

...and I don't get it. Why is it that when a thing finally starts to become stable (6.5 branch) they immediately switch to 6.5.x which is still in early stages and has a lot of improvement ahead? By the time 6.5.x will became stable WM7 will be available. I really hate inconsistency. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

Performance in general... Well, how about experience in general? For performance I'm gonna say: battery. And I'm pretty sure they won't get it right the first time around so expect other things to be needing fixes after that.

While I understand that things are changing, moving etc, we also need rest time. I want to be able to enjoy my phone, not constantly look for improvements. I think this is where the real problem lies, and that is why other platforms will gain adepts. Because they offer stability. I simply can't understand how they can do the T*Omnia's software in 2008 almost perfect and then come with I8000 one year later fully bugged and slow.

Lack of stability will drive people away, and the sorry excuse for diversity will drive even more people away. Microsoft has finally understood why iPhone is popular, that's why it came up with the idea of WM7: stability. But, please keep changing things... it's working. Not for you, but it's working.

Edited May 5, 2010 by Ender Psp

[Guest nipip]

I'm no fan of 6.5.3 either...

...and I don't get it. Why is it that when a thing finally starts to become stable (6.5 branch) they immediately switch to 6.5.x which is still in early stages and has a lot of improvement ahead? By the time 6.5.x will became stable WM7 will be available. I really hate inconsistency. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

Performance in general... Well, how about experience in general? For performance I'm gonna say: battery. And I'm pretty sure they won't get it right the first time around so expect other things to be needing fixes after that.

While I understand that things are changing, moving etc, we also need rest time. I want to be able to enjoy my phone, not constantly look for improvements. I think this is where the real problem lies, and that is why other platforms will gain adepts. Because they offer stability. I simply can't understand how they can do the T*Omnia's software in 2008 almost perfect and then come with I8000 one year later fully bugged and slow.

Lack of stability will drive people away, and the sorry excuse for diversity will drive even more people away. Microsoft has finally understood why iPhone is popular, that's why it came up with the idea of WM7: stability. But, please keep changing things... it's working. Not for you, but it's working.

Battery and performance are samsung issues, not ms fault again. try with 6.5 JBx/JCx eboot and check response and battery life :P

If you like iphone just buy one, but think winmo runs on several diferent hardwares and there are real diferences between 6.1/6.5/6.5.x beyond what you see in i8000 roms.

[Guest Ender Psp]

Battery and performance are samsung issues, not ms fault again. try with 6.5 JBx/JCx eboot and check response and battery life :P

If you like iphone just buy one, but think winmo runs on several diferent hardwares and there are real diferences between 6.1/6.5/6.5.x beyond what you see in i8000 roms.

Exactly. I wasn't saying it's Microsoft's fault, but Samsung's (battery, I am currently on JC1). I was also saying that inconsistencies and lack of stability (too many releases or too less and no word on: you should use THIS version - you have to try yourself - and the list goes on) pisses off a lot of people (self included).

No, I don't like iPhone, and my 250+ posts (almost all in I8000) should tell you about my commitment to WinMo. All my phones in the last 5 years were WM phones so that should tell you something.

FYI, Android also run on different hardware so that's not exactly a thing to pin down. As for the differences, I've followed WM since CE 3.0 and I'm pretty aware of what WM7 feels like as I've actually experienced the demo.

To be very clear: I don't mind 6.5.3, actually. I mind the fact that there's not enough time/resources allocated (by Samsung) to make it actually good for their mobiles. And by the time it will be, I'll probably still still use 6.5 while others switch to WM7 and praise it's... whatever. But who knows, maybe they'll make something good out of it in short time. Given previous experiences with Samsung, don't get your hopes too high. But here's to hoping. :D

As for the buttons, they're just ugly and probably introduced some degree of incompatibility with other apps (who expect something else in that area). But I guess you'll have to get used to them. I won't unless 6.5.3 branch offers at least the same benefits as 6.5. Which it currently doesn't.

[Guest Asgardi]

And you also like the misalignments, and the constant bugs and the ugly bottom buttons to? The 6.5.X versions are a mistake.

And still Samsung's engineers (who are very highly skilled professionals btw) are interested in delivering WM 6.5.3 to all Omnia II users in a couple of months for one year old device? I don't think that they are doing all that work for nothing. Misalignments are not WM bugs (and i think quite few actually are) and I think that the buttons are actually much better if you just choose a nice theme. The red circular buttons are ugly - yes. But square or rectangle black windows buttons are not.

WM 6.5.3 is designed for better power management, better browsing experiense, better memory management, better overall performance and better touch response. All of them quite relevant improvements. Of course it just takes time when all of those are properly implemented by the manufacturer's drivers and software.

[Guest thegunners]

6.5.3 is touch friendly while the previous one seems not design for touch screen phone.

that's why i like 6.5.3.

[Guest AndrewTan]

Truely hope it will base back on WM 6.5.x as WM 6.5.x is the best ever done by microsoft in terms of:

- friendly touch

- better performance

- more complete feel than WM 6.5

[Guest Rapid81]

Truely hope it will base back on WM 6.5.x as WM 6.5.x is the best ever done by microsoft in terms of:

- friendly touch

- better performance

- more complete feel than WM 6.5

- Two ugly buttons and that's what you called "touch friendly"? My fingers easly reach the upper right than the lower one. Not useful at all.

- Yeah, we can say the battery life is worst than ever, so that's your performance.

- Complete? I don't understand this. Completition of what? Oh... I know now... 6.5.X is a complete cr@p. :P

The MS totally in a wrong way with the 6.5.X and W7 series. They don't know what they're doing. Maybe if they're ask their users, but that never gonna happen, I suppose... They're just copying the Iphart...

[Guest speedfrog]

you are right about wm 7 suck but i think 6.5.x is better.

[Guest Ender Psp]

you are right about wm 7 suck but i think 6.5.x is better.

Now that's one statement about 6.5.x I just don't understand. And I don't mean it as an offense (for you or anyone else who says 6.5.x is better).

Maybe I'm missing something, but the rom I'm looking at right now, JD3/6.5.3 I see the same performance as speed as my "old" JC1/6.5 and besides the interface/buttons that look different, I see no other significant differences.

What I see is:

- buttons in a different place

- worse battery life (at least 20% less than old 6.5)

- the same responsiveness in touch experience

Notes:

- Software not counted (touch player etc), I'm interested how the rom kernel performs.

- As I'm not very keen on flashing, I tend to use my mobile for actual talk, gps, media and stuff like that so I use it for what's intended and don't want to spend my time with backups and flashing all the time. Right now I'm very tempted by JD7 since it's 6.5

What I see no major differences from 6.5 to 6.5.3 (actually the battery issue is a big flaw - same as XTRA-but that seem to affect later 6.5 builds as well)

So, can someone please lay out the real benefits for me? And not quote MS because "they say it is" better. I'm not asking for benchmarks, I'm trying to get facts (but PLEASE, PLEASE don't say the big buttons are improvements in the kernel! - and in terms of performance!)

A tad later edit: just found this thread, and as I thought, didn't get much out of it, almost no facts. Comparisons, opinions yes but very little facts. More and more it looks like taste/caprice/mood rather than real facts.

Edited May 6, 2010 by Ender Psp

[Guest Asgardi]

Now that's one statement about 6.5.x I just don't understand. And I don't mean it as an offense (for you or anyone else who says 6.5.x is better).

Maybe I'm missing something, but the rom I'm looking at right now, JD3/6.5.3 I see the same performance as speed as my "old" JC1/6.5 and besides the interface/buttons that look different, I see no other significant differences.

What I see is:

- buttons in a different place

- worse battery life (at least 20% less than old 6.5)

- the same responsiveness in touch experience

Samsung does not have released final 6.5.3 ROM you so how can you say that? Releases so far are betas. Heck, one ROM a couple of weeks ago did not even have the Cube-functionality. So how I see your points:

- buttons are in a different place. Yes, better usability, when you can just use one hand using the phone without changing the position of the phone in your hand.

- worse battery life just tells me that samsung has not yet fully implemeted the new power management features to their ROM's. This should be fixed in a couple of months.

- the same responsiveness has the same problem as the power management. Not implemented yet properly.

So just wait for the final release and let's see after that how it is going to be :P

[Guest Rapid81]

Samsung does not have released final 6.5.3 ROM you so how can you say that? Releases so far are betas. Heck, one ROM a couple of weeks ago did not even have the Cube-functionality. So how I see your points:

- buttons are in a different place. Yes, better usability, when you can just use one hand using the phone without changing the position of the phone in your hand.

- worse battery life just tells me that samsung has not yet fully implemeted the new power management features to their ROM's. This should be fixed in a couple of months.

- the same responsiveness has the same problem as the power management. Not implemented yet properly.

So just wait for the final release and let's see after that how it is going to be :P

This is interesting.

Everybody throwing the "facts" that the 6.5.X version are "far way better" than 6.5.

Now you say this is a beta (I knew that) and noone can judge it before the final release. Then why everbody who likes the ugly buttons says, the 6.5.X versions are better???

BTW, I can handle the 6.5 with one hand without changing the position of the phone in my hand. I flashed a 6.5.3 once, and that's what I can't used without changing the phones position in my hand. The lower buttons are unreachable because they're in a bad place. My thumb easely reach the upper left or right buttons, but I have to move the phone in my hand to reach the bottom buttons.

Ender Psp asked for facts, and you can't say any, just excuses (beta release, etc.). Then nobody can call us stupids because we like the 6.5 because that version has stability, no misalignments, no ugly things and for last, the battery's life much better than in 6.5.X.

Finally, you (and everybody who likes 6.5.X) must admit this arguments not on the "better performance", than taste! The beauty or ugliness of the lower buttons. :D Nothing else! Because 6.5.X version has not better performances or others, just drawbacks.

Edited May 7, 2010 by Rapid81

[Guest silviaccio1]

This is interesting.

Everybody throwing the "facts" that the 6.5.X version are "far way better" than 6.5.

Now you say this is a beta (I knew that) and noone can judge it before the final release. Then why everbody who likes the ugly buttons says, the 6.5.X versions are better???

BTW, I can handle the 6.5 with one hand without changing the position of the phone in my hand. I flashed a 6.5.3 once, and that's what I can't used without changing the phones position in my hand. The lower buttons are unreachable because they're in a bad place. My thumb easely reach the upper left or right buttons, but I have to move the phone in my hand to reach the bottom buttons.

Ender Psp asked for facts, and you can't say any, just excuses (beta release, etc.). Then nobody can call us stupids because we like the 6.5 because that version has stability, no misalignments, no ugly things and for last, the battery's life much better than in 6.5.X.

Finally, you (and everybody who likes 6.5.X) must admit this arguments not on the "better performance", than taste! The beauty or ugliness of the lower buttons. :P Nothing else! Because 6.5.X version has not better performances or others, just drawbacks.

In facts it's very strange that MS decided to move in the bottom the start and X buttons, I apreciate larger buttons but I think it would be better to move down the battery, network, program name and other items and not the start and X buttons.

I think that MS will have hardly a future in the mobile field thank also to that kind of choices and the presence of three different mobile OS approaches, neither working well.

Maybe they should put more effort on that operative systems.

[Guest Ender Psp]

This is interesting.

Everybody throwing the "facts" that the 6.5.X version are "far way better" than 6.5.

Now you say this is a beta (I knew that) and noone can judge it before the final release. Then why everbody who likes the ugly buttons says, the 6.5.X versions are better???

BTW, I can handle the 6.5 with one hand without changing the position of the phone in my hand. I flashed a 6.5.3 once, and that's what I can't used without changing the phones position in my hand. The lower buttons are unreachable because they're in a bad place. My thumb easely reach the upper left or right buttons, but I have to move the phone in my hand to reach the bottom buttons.

Ender Psp asked for facts, and you can't say any, just excuses (beta release, etc.). Then nobody can call us stupids because we like the 6.5 because that version has stability, no misalignments, no ugly things and for last, the battery's life much better than in 6.5.X.

Finally, you (and everybody who likes 6.5.X) must admit this arguments not on the "better performance", than taste! The beauty or ugliness of the lower buttons. :P Nothing else! Because 6.5.X version has not better performances or others, just drawbacks.

Thanks Rapid. These are my thoughts too.

When I look at the 6.5.3 rom all I see is a beta. A lot of people praise it but it looks to me they're just following trends. And by trends is assuming that if ".3" is added then it's definitely improved.

I will be going back to 6.5 today. FACT is 6.5.3 is beta and it still needs some fixes. That is reason enough for me to use something more stable.

What people need to understand is the phone is meant to be a PHONE/multimedia device. Not a daily flash device. I don't want something unfinished, beta or "in the works". There are others who are keen to do that (THANK YOU, btw) but what I want something that I can use. Something that I can take on my vacation and stop looking on forums for "updates" in that time because of issues that come up during that time.

These are my thoughts, and of course you're free to disagree. I'll switch back to 6.5 exactly because of worse performance of 6.5.3 in battery. Now isn't that ironic? (thanks Alanis)

In facts it's very strange that MS decided to move in the bottom the start and X buttons, I apreciate larger buttons but I think it would be better to move down the battery, network, program name and other items and not the start and X buttons.

I think that MS will have hardly a future in the mobile field thank also to that kind of choices and the presence of three different mobile OS approaches, neither working well.

Maybe they should put more effort on that operative systems.

I think this is done as a transition, redesigned buttons/interface. This is MS finally listening to users, which all in all is a good thing. But I also have to agree with you that if you redesign something, you'd better have a damn good reason to do so. Otherwise it's just a skin over the same thing. And this forum and the net is full of custom skins/interface for WM6.5* so I don't think I'm looking for that. What I'm looking for from MS and Samsung is the core development. Faster kernel, faster opening programs, less memory used, no leaks, no bugs in networking, etc. None of these have been brought up as facts, yet (full roms released, please, not custom made - if I want that I'll just go back further, to 6.1). Now that is what makes a difference in performance. Visual improvements don't count as performance.

To conclude, what I was asking is facts.

So just wait for the final release and let's see after that how it is going to be :D

So you see, Asgardi, what I am looking for is something I can put now on my phone, and use it. Not something that looks promising in the future. When that is ready (not beta), stable and better I'll try it.

Again, no offense meant to anyone who thinks 6.5.3 is better. I just don't see it that way. I need something I can use now, and obviously, 6.5.3 isn't it. While it may be in the future, it still needs a lot of love from MS/Samsung, and of course, all of us. Going "back" to 6.5/JD6.

Thanks everyone for feedback.

[Guest Asgardi]

"Ender Psp asked for facts, and you can't say any, just excuses (beta release, etc.). Then nobody can call us stupids because we like the 6.5 because that version has stability, no misalignments, no ugly things and for last, the battery's life much better than in 6.5.X."

Well it seems that we are both right because we are talking about two different things. You are talking about Samsung WM implementations (yes, the old WM 6.5 implementations are better for now). I was talking about WM only and listed new quite important features that MS has built into it after 6.5. So in that sense, 6.5.3 is better. It is only a matter of time when Samsung gets it's ROM working correctly. It is not yet but soon enough because 6.5.3 Samsung Omnia II public release is close.

What comes to your Sense ROM specifically, the guy who made it to work with WM 6.5.3 reported it to be faster. I cannot back this up because I have not tested it myself. I'm using your 6.5 ROM (just like you, mostly because of the same reasons) for now.