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No, from flashing just the boot.bin. You can't flash the whole thing.

No, I grabbed the logo.img from another file. Not found the original Orange one anywhere mind!

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Intel badly need some developer support for x86 Android, and what do we get? Locked down phones running Gingerbread.

From everything I've read it sounds like a decent phone, the price is right, but they've dropped the ball on the software side.

Hardware wise this could be THE phone for hacking right now; a fast CPU, NFC, state-of-the-art image processor, HDMI, good screen, lots of RAM, and potentially very interesting x86 Linux/Android software (Intel has done a lot of Linux work).

Anyway, good luck to those of you working to prize it open.


Agreeing to disagree with you on that point. Don't forget that Intel NEED to be able to make a profit from whom they're selling their devices to. As seen with the OSF with people buying the phone then unlocking it and carrying on to another network, Orange might have had the sales pitch on the phones going up but the gain from people using their network dropped. Therefore they probably did specifically tell Intel to do as much as possible to prevent the phone from being rootable/unlocked, thus giving a higher chance that customers use the Orange services that did probably cost a bit to produce.... And they get to make a bigger profit.

I'm only guessing this and it may just appear I'm chatting out of my backside. Though looking at the site now, there are no original OSFs in stock (probably because they're rather out of date... but still!)

Sorry I can't be of any actual help :/ I understand most of what you're saying Paul, but somethings just sound like you're speaking Spanish :P

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Agreeing to disagree with you on that point. Don't forget that Intel NEED to be able to make a profit from whom they're selling their devices to. As seen with the OSF with people buying the phone then unlocking it and carrying on to another network, Orange might have had the sales pitch on the phones going up but the gain from people using their network dropped. Therefore they probably did specifically tell Intel to do as much as possible to prevent the phone from being rootable/unlocked, thus giving a higher chance that customers use the Orange services that did probably cost a bit to produce.... And they get to make a bigger profit.

I'm only guessing this and it may just appear I'm chatting out of my backside. Though looking at the site now, there are no original OSFs in stock (probably because they're rather out of date... but still!)

Sorry I can't be of any actual help :/ I understand most of what you're saying Paul, but somethings just sound like you're speaking Spanish :P


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Agreeing to disagree with you on that point. Don't forget that Intel NEED to be able to make a profit from whom they're selling their devices to. As seen with the OSF with people buying the phone then unlocking it and carrying on to another network, Orange might have had the sales pitch on the phones going up but the gain from people using their network dropped. Therefore they probably did specifically tell Intel to do as much as possible to prevent the phone from being rootable/unlocked, thus giving a higher chance that customers use the Orange services that did probably cost a bit to produce.... And they get to make a bigger profit.

I'm only guessing this and it may just appear I'm chatting out of my backside. Though looking at the site now, there are no original OSFs in stock (probably because they're rather out of date... but still!)

Sorry I can't be of any actual help :/ I understand most of what you're saying Paul, but somethings just sound like you're speaking Spanish :P

Wow. I never thought I'd change my mind on this, but this made me think of it differently
Oh yeah, I agree about Paul speaking Spanish :P

Edited by Mtman1, 14 June 2012 - 08:29 PM.

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I never realised just how many of my apps need root access :-(

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Can't add much to this other than to say I really hope you can find a way of cracking this thing open. It's an awesome-looking phone that is actually within my price range, but I just can't go for it if aftermarket ROMs will be an impossibility.

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I never realised just how many of my apps need root access :-(

Amen to that.

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Is this the only forum looking into rooting this? grim if so

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I'm not aware of any others?

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The beauty of the San Fran was you started it all off with your kitchen and it snow balled form there, only popping back when things went a bit quiet. I think I may have acted too soon, especially seeing the S3 on a £24 p/m contract.

I haven't looked into hacking phones as there has been more talented people like yourself. Is there no way of using the micro sd to find a way in or using a usb like the PS3

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The beauty of the San Fran was you started it all off with your kitchen and it snow balled form there, only popping back when things went a bit quiet. I think I may have acted too soon, especially seeing the S3 on a £24 p/m contract.

I haven't looked into hacking phones as there has been more talented people like yourself. Is there no way of using the micro sd to find a way in or using a usb like the PS3

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could this http://www.android-x...asenote-4-0-rc1 not be flashed or is this where the signed shinanigans come into play?

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could this http://www.android-x...asenote-4-0-rc1 not be flashed or is this where the signed shinanigans come into play?

Not made for this device, not signed, not sure where to start aside from it won't work. :-)

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Not made for this device, not signed, not sure where to start aside from it won't work. :-)

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Yeah keep it simple :-) I take it x86 for pc is a lot different from x86 phone

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Do you think emailing Intel/ orange and asking them will help?

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Do you think emailing Intel/ orange and asking them will help?

I think if we could get an official stance on the bootloader, that could help.

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I think if we could get an official stance on the bootloader, that could help.

That's what I'm waiting for, will chase Orange tomorrow.

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So is this oing to help the cause??

http://www.theverge....intel-processor

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Well that's very interesting...pay day is getting closer and i'm still umming and ahhing about getting this. I probably still will as looking at even second hand devices nothing comes close to this in the price range. Not with a 4" screen, NFC and 1gb rom anyway.

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Yup, you can't really hope for a similarily specced device at this pricepoint (not if you are hell-bent on NFC and more than WVGA that is) - Nexus S would be my second best, but is two generations behind in terms of CPU.

As for the Intel x86-64 vulnerability - IF it exists in Medfield platform (and I don't see why it wouldn't) it may be somewhat useful, since I guess it would have to be patched on kernel level in case of a phone. But even if someone will exploit it to obtain priviledged access, they still have to actually know *how* use that for unlocking the bootloader/allowing unsigned packages to be flashed.

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