thanks for that, managed to sort of fix it now
ihome got his working he said.
I add search all around for the APN settings and they were all more or less the same, apart for a couple quoted the
MMS Proxy as 192.168.224.10 instead of the usual 192.168.224.010 Had not really took much notice, but while
I was checking settings and APN you both posted, I gave it a try, it works.
changed the 010 to just 10 ; made sure I've got the sim registered on Orange 3G and it worked last night to download the MMS i had