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His and many other peoples opinion.

Have you noticed how leggy Android is? 5 month lag in replying to forum posts make it to slow for me  ;)

 

 

*Wonders if you bothered using the same standard on yourself?*

 

Besides: Why else would the OP need to come on here with such a bias loaded question, as if to try and satisfy himself with the idea that he's making the right move? His 'experiment' was apparently done after 36 hours from his original post and only having one answer!?!

 

"He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever."

 

I kind of wish you never bothered, Peanut Brain.

 

Heh, even by your OWN standards, would make your own phone a failure (and you a hypocrite!) ... That's more than 6 months ago now... Of course, thats using your flawed thinking...


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One other thing that annoys me about Apple is that you cannot use Bluetooth to transfer files between phones. The Windows phone also used to suffer from this, but at least MS put it right.

 

You now have "AirDrop", which is infinitely more seamless and simple than any bluetooth transfer. Granted, it only works on iOS, but when you know Apple make the best everything, why would you not be using iOS devices? AirDrop is a WiFi/Bluetooth proprietary hybrid technology - don't ask me how it works, it just does:

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Why on earth we needs PINs, handset names etc, is beyond me. AirDrop is everything bluetooth file transfer EVER wanted to be but failed to be in real world implementation. 


Alternatively, one tends to use "Instashare" (iOS & Android compatible).


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You now have "AirDrop", which is infinitely more seamless and simple than any bluetooth transfer. Granted, it only works on iOS, but when you know Apple make the best everything, why would you not be using iOS devices? AirDrop is a WiFi/Bluetooth proprietary hybrid technology - don't ask me how it works, it just does:

 

 

Thats still limited to a really small set of Apple devices and requires network connectivity.  Why not just use industry standard bluetooth instead of this locked in propriety crap?

I notice that even with this, Apple are trying to force people to upgrade to a newer iphone model, there is no technical reason why it shouldnt work on the 4s and below, but once again Apple  couldnt resist putting an artificial barrier in there to gouge more money from the sheep.

And while were at it, after jailbreaking my old iphone, i installed a hacked bluetooth stack that did file transfer and connected to any device thrown at it, unlike the built in crippled one, so why the blue blazes couldnt they just take the trainer wheels off the iphones bluetooth stack and stop pissing about with locked in, dead end solutions like that airdrop thing?*.

 

*yeah i know the answer, lock in & incompatibility=profit


Edited by maniac_mouse, 29 April 2014 - 03:23 PM.

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Thats still limited to a really small set of Apple devices and requires network connectivity.  Why not just use industry standard bluetooth instead of this locked in propriety crap?

I notice that even with this, Apple are trying to force people to upgrade to a newer iphone model, there is no technical reason why it shouldnt work on the 4s and below, but once again Apple  couldnt resist putting an artificial barrier in there to gouge more money from the sheep.

And while were at it, after jailbreaking my old iphone, i installed a hacked bluetooth stack that did file transfer and connected to any device thrown at it, unlike the built in crippled one, so why the blue blazes couldnt they just take the trainer wheels off the iphones bluetooth stack and stop pissing about with locked in, dead end solutions like that airdrop thing?*.

 

*yeah i know the answer, lock in & incompatibility=profit

 

AirDrop is peer to peer technology; do you really think Apple engineers would be so stupid as to implement a file transfer technology between mobile devices, that depended on you having a router/AP to make use of it? That's the kind of stupidity of design I would expect as a given from other vendors, but AirDrop is peer to peer, you can take my word for that, and if you can't, here's further proof:

http://www.imore.com...rop-iphone-ipad

 

 

I've just confirmed this on my two iPod Touch 5th gens; I turned off my router (the only WiFi I have) and turned off Wifi AND Bluetooth on both iPods, then turned on AirDrop in "Control Center" and shared a JPEG from one to the other:



You see, there's a difference between me and most people online - I actually test what I argue to be the case, before posting online. I don't rely on hearsay, I actually prove it physically before I make a fool of myself (I'm not saying you did, I am merely saying that I don't post until I am sure, FIRST hand).

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I would compare iOS vs Android dilemma with the choice between living well fed and cared of in a zoo vs living absolutely free in a jungle completely on your own...


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AirDrop is peer to peer technology; do you really think Apple engineers would be so stupid as to implement a file transfer technology between mobile devices, that depended on you having a router/AP to make use of it? That's the kind of stupidity of design I would expect as a given from other vendors, but AirDrop is peer to peer, you can take my word for that, and if you can't, here's further proof:

 

Fair enough, the review on some random tech blog I looked at stated it needed to be on a network, I guess it was wrong, my bad, i should have cross referenced the info with another source.  Its still propriety and only available on recent iphones though, so my other points still stand.

I just realised that my phones rom has a similar thing built in, but can use nfc as well as wireless.  Another propriety thing thats not widespread enough to be useful unfortunately.


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Fair enough, the review on some random tech blog I looked at stated it needed to be on a network, I guess it was wrong, my bad, i should have cross referenced the info with another source.  Its still propriety and only available on recent iphones though, so my other points still stand.

I just realised that my phones rom has a similar thing built in, but can use nfc as well as wireless.  Another propriety thing thats not widespread enough to be useful unfortunately.

I seem to have identified the issue here: "some random tech blog"

Any man and his dog can, and do, write blogs.


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Any man and his dog can, and do, write blogs.

Which is precisely why I do not feel the need.  The blogesphere is full of self-regarding content.

 

I finally ditched iOS in favour of Blackberry (a mistake) and have made a partial return to Android in the form of Vodafone's £50 Smart 4 mini.  Ultimately, I will buy a dual sim model to deal with my two contact numbers.  Just looking for something with a light google layer.


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Just in case anybody would wonder: Because I don't hate iPhones. I just think they can do better... And when they do, I'm sure I'd be enticed to buy one! And here's your chance Apple...

 

Fill that market.


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Just in case anybody would wonder: Because I don't hate iPhones. I just think they can do better... And when they do, I'm sure I'd be enticed to buy one! And here's your chance Apple...

 

Fill that market.

 

Apple don't need "a chance" - Apple defined the smartphone space - iPhone is THE gold standard; they made it what it is - they don't play catch up, they've no need to - people who buy iPhones buy iPhones, and Apple don't really pay much attention to people who don't buy them - that's just another distraction which they shouldn't have to care about, nor do they.

Even if Apple didn't release a larger iPhone, which it now seems to appear that they will, they'll still sell boatloads of the current models, and not even care about grabbing market share - they're about focusing intensely on a few core products and making them a beautiful, elegant and intuitive experience, not shipping billions of mediocre, rushed-out models that satisfy people who wouldn't know a decent UX from a cheeseburger.


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AirDrop is peer to peer technology; do you really think Apple engineers would be so stupid as to implement a file transfer technology between mobile devices, that depended on you having a router/AP to make use of it? That's the kind of stupidity of design I would expect as a given from other vendors, but AirDrop is peer to peer, you can take my word for that, and if you can't, here's further proof:


cheers glossywhite, I always wondered what Apple would call Near Field Communication or NFC for short.

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Apple don't need "a chance" - Apple defined the smartphone space - iPhone is THE gold standard; they made it what it is - they don't play catch up, they've no need to - people who buy iPhones buy iPhones, and Apple don't really pay much attention to people who don't buy them - that's just another distraction which they shouldn't have to care about, nor do they.

Consider this: an iPhone owner depends on Apple much more than an Android owner on Google or on the device manufacturer or on any other company.


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Apple don't need "a chance" - Apple defined the smartphone space - iPhone is THE gold standard; they made it what it is - they don't play catch up, they've no need to - people who buy iPhones buy iPhones, and Apple don't really pay much attention to people who don't buy them - that's just another distraction which they shouldn't have to care about, nor do they.

Even if Apple didn't release a larger iPhone, which it now seems to appear that they will, they'll still sell boatloads of the current models, and not even care about grabbing market share - they're about focusing intensely on a few core products and making them a beautiful, elegant and intuitive experience, not shipping billions of mediocre, rushed-out models that satisfy people who wouldn't know a decent UX from a cheeseburger.

 

Well actually, iOS8 is that chance I am talking about.


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Consider this: an iPhone owner depends on Apple much more than an Android owner on Google or on the device manufacturer or on any other company.

This comment is too vague to make sense of.


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Consider this: an iPhone owner depends on Apple much more than an Android owner on Google or on the device manufacturer or on any other company.

This comment is too vague to make sense of.

 

I don't think anybody who has had an iphone and an android (like me) needs any explanations. To give just one example - some time ago Microsoft was punished for attempting to hardwire its browser to its os (and rightly so). Now tell me - have you tried to exchange any media files between an iphone and anything else without installing a hundred megs of apple software on the other end? I could not even transfer a single file with bluetooth. And there were lots of such barriers.


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I don't think anybody who has had an iphone and an android (like me) needs any explanations. To give just one example - some time ago Microsoft was punished for attempting to hardwire its browser to its os (and rightly so). Now tell me - have you tried to exchange any media files between an iphone and anything else without installing a hundred megs of apple software on the other end? I could not even transfer a single file with bluetooth. And there were lots of such barriers.

 

iOS is so popular and legendarily simple because Apple engineers have decided what works most optimally for any given interaction, so the user isn't faced with ambiguous, confusing choices, the likes of which will put them off the phone. Yes, it is not drastically HARD to work out what you need to do, but it's KNOWING what all these choices (handlers) MEAN that is the barrier to seamless usability - some people just haven't the time OR the inclination to want to learn these things, and why should they?

Apple understand human emotion and interaction like no other company I know - that's why iPhone is SUCH a success. Don't ever fall into the trap of assuming everyone has the knowledge which you have; assumption IS the mother of all screw ups, it's not just a cliche. If you want a good product to become raved about, you don't force the user to have to make choices which the designer was paid to make in the most efficient way FOR the users.

Android is fantastic - my main phone is a Moto G, but I am not arrogant enough to assume that Apple HAVE to make iOS as potentially confusing as Android can be (and it is), just because Google/OEMs choose that methodology - Apple don't have to do ANYTHING.


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iOS is so popular and legendarily simple because Apple engineers have decided what works most optimally for any given interaction, so the user isn't faced with ambiguous, confusing choices, the likes of which will put them off the phone.

Optimally in what sense? In what sense is it optimal that in order to transfer a ringtone from my pc to my iphone I have to install on the former itunes and accept having a bunch of background processes like bonjour and Apple software updater?

Yes, it is not drastically HARD to work out what you need to do, but it's KNOWING what all these choices (handlers) MEAN that is the barrier to seamless usability - some people just haven't the time OR the inclination to want to learn these things, and why should they?

Some other people, you know, prefer to judge by themselves what is optimal and what not, and for that they want to be able to compare.

Apple understand human emotion and interaction like no other company I know - that's why iPhone is SUCH a success. Don't ever fall into the trap of assuming everyone has the knowledge which you have; assumption IS the mother of all screw ups, it's not just a cliche.

Where did I assume this? It is precisely ignorance which makes total dependence on Apple such an attractive feature. The point is precisely that most users gladly accept that Apple decides what is good for them, and are even ready to pay much more than to any other company for that.

But why does this contradict my claim? It was that they depend on Apple much more than Android users on any company. The fact that they are eager to depend on it does not make them independent.

If you want a good product to become raved about, you don't force the user to have to make choices which the designer was paid to make in the most efficient way FOR the users.

Nobody has to make choices. Yo buy a working product and you may use it for the rest of your life without having to modify anything.

Android is fantastic - my main phone is a Moto G, but I am not arrogant enough to assume that Apple HAVE to make iOS as potentially confusing as Android can be (and it is), just because Google/OEMs choose that methodology - Apple don't have to do ANYTHING.

I never claimed they have to do anything. My only point was that their strategy is based on making users dependent on them. This is a very successful strategy.

 

And let me add one thing. If you are replying to my posts, please reply to them. You never touched upon what I said, you moved somewhere else totally ignoring my argument.


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Optimally in what sense? In what sense is it optimal that in order to transfer a ringtone from my pc to my iphone I have to install on the former itunes and accept having a bunch of background processes like bonjour and Apple software updater?

Some other people, you know, prefer to judge by themselves what is optimal and what not, and for that they want to be able to compare.

Where did I assume this? It is precisely ignorance which makes total dependence on Apple such an attractive feature. The point is precisely that most users gladly accept that Apple decides what is good for them, and are even ready to pay much more than to any other company for that.

But why does this contradict my claim? It was that they depend on Apple much more than Android users on any company. The fact that they are eager to depend on it does not make them independent.

Nobody has to make choices. Yo buy a working product and you may use it for the rest of your life without having to modify anything.

I never claimed they have to do anything. My only point was that their strategy is based on making users dependent on them. This is a very successful strategy.

 

And let me add one thing. If you are replying to my posts, please reply to them. You never touched upon what I said, you moved somewhere else totally ignoring my argument.

 

Enjoy whatever you use, it means exponential measures less than nothing to me, it's just a phone.

 God bless you :)


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Enjoy whatever you use, it means exponential measures less than nothing to me, it's just a phone.

 God bless you :)

Sorry then I misunderstood - judging by your posts I thought it meant a lot to you to prove to everybody that Apple's concept of smartphone is the primary and superior one...

 

God bless you and everybody else too :D


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Sorry then I misunderstood - judging by your posts I thought it meant a lot to you to prove to everybody that Apple's concept of smartphone is the primary and superior one...

 

God bless you and everybody else too :D

Apple don't need my help, but if people ask me, I speak my mind :)

Thanks for blessing me :D


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