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Hudl2 - Maximum SD Card size?


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Guest seanspotatobusiness

Why would they put an incorrect specification? The Gizmodo review doesn't say how thoroughly they tested (I have no idea how to comprehensively test such a thing to ensure it doesn't just work in some situations and fail in others).

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Guest Kommander85

I can confirm that the Hudl 2 works with my Kingston 64gb SDXC Class 10 Micro SD - I actually went into a Tesco store and managed to "adjust" the clamps enough to get the card in - check that it was read and recognised correctly and get it back out again before going ahead and deciding to make a purchase myself!

 

It recognised it first time without any issues and they're selling on eBay (well, the SanDisk ones anyway) currently for £20.75 if anyone is interested.

 

Hope that's helpful guys!

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I can confirm that the Hudl 2 works with my Kingston 64gb SDXC Class 10 Micro SD - I actually went into a Tesco store and managed to "adjust" the clamps enough to get the card in - check that it was read and recognised correctly and get it back out again before going ahead and deciding to make a purchase myself!

 

It recognised it first time without any issues and they're selling on eBay (well, the SanDisk ones anyway) currently for £20.75 if anyone is interested.

 

Hope that's helpful guys!

 

 

Okay but is this enough to know that it won't fail to read/write in certain situations? There has to be a reason they specified 64 GB.

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Guest state-it

Okay but is this enough to know that it won't fail to read/write in certain situations? There has to be a reason they specified 64 GB.

 

A 'rough-and-ready' answer is this:

SDHC spec is up to 32GB. , 64-128GB is SDXC standard.

 

To claim that XC standard is supported the tablet has to be able to read/write at full XC standard speed. And different drivers need to be licenced by the manufacturer (££s) to support this standard.

 

So the short of it is that larger cards will (should) be OK for 'normal file' writes/reads, but you won't necessarily get full speed supported. 

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Guest Mark_He

I can confirm that the Hudl 2 works with my Kingston 64gb SDXC Class 10 Micro SD - I actually went into a Tesco store and managed to "adjust" the clamps enough to get the card in - check that it was read and recognised correctly and get it back out again before going ahead and deciding to make a purchase myself!

 

It recognised it first time without any issues and they're selling on eBay (well, the SanDisk ones anyway) currently for £20.75 if anyone is interested.

 

Hope that's helpful guys!

 

I'm afraid I have a very similar 64GB, and my Hudl said unsupported format and offered to format it for me. It might be a bit variable in what works and what doesn't :(

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I'm afraid I have a very similar 64GB, and my Hudl said unsupported format and offered to format it for me. It might be a bit variable in what works and what doesn't :(

 HC standard (upto 32GB standard) uses FAT32 formatting, XC standard uses exFAT formatting standard.

 

The Hudl doesn't have the necessary drivers (isn't licenced) to read the larger exFAT formatted cards, and thus couldn't read / see it.

 

It offered to format it for you in FAT32, which it can read.

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HC standard (upto 32GB standard) uses FAT32 formatting, XC standard uses exFAT formatting standard.

The Hudl doesn't have the necessary drivers (isn't licenced) to read the larger exFAT formatted cards, and thus couldn't read / see it.

It offered to format it for you in FAT32, which it can read.

Great answer, thanks. So, given the review, we can assume a 64 will format and work. Unfortunately my 64 is out of my phone, and formatting it just to check would be a pain, but I'll be looking out for another one.
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Guest Kommander85

Indeed, can confirm that my card is Fat32 formatted as ExFat simply isn't supported by most current mobile devices. I will do a full read/write speed test over the weekend once I've picked my new Hudl 2 up and will post the results for confirmation - however I've found from prior experience that there is surprisingly little drop in sustained data transfer speed using the larger capacity cards and definitely no data loss so no need to worry there guys!

 

If anyone has trouble formatting their 64gb cards to work with the Hudl 2 - let me know, I have a link for a program specifically designed to do it (from a Microsoft Windows PC/Laptop) somewhere and can put it up for public consumption if required :)

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Guest DaveGriff

Ah that's why it turned it's nose up at my 32GB exFAT formatted card.  Pity, FAT32 has the 4GB file size limit, annoying if you want to load up decent quality HD movies on the card.  And just as annoyingly NTFS isn't supported either, so no connecting an external hard-drive via USB - unless it's formatted to FAT32.

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Guest seanspotatobusiness

there are lots of third party utilities designed to format fat32 partitions >32gb. It's outside the official spec but generally works well.

 

The Hudl2 itself offers to format the card when you insert it so that might be the best way for most people.

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Guest Dave UK

Sainsburys are doing 64GB Sandisk Ultra microSDXC Class 10 cards for £19 in store. Picked one up last night.

 

Put it into the hudl2 and it asked to format the card. Leaves you with 59GB of space once formated.

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Guest iBrummie

This bleeding card (64gb) is doing me head in! Trying to sync my gdrive to it with foldersync but app is refusing to write folders ie. Permission issues still... HELP android gurus

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Guest droid_user

I think Tesco are trying to dodge several bullets with their advertised 32gb card limit.

 

Their target market is non techies - so they have avoided the additional tested or larger cards and saved cash by not buying (I suspect the licence for exFat).
 

I have formatted a couple of exFat SD cards one 64gb and one 128gb and the HUDL2 is initially bemused and sees them as 2tb ** then if you erase the card it correctly sees the card at the size expected.

Could well be there are read write and speed issues - also it cannot be read by windows now - BUT I just wanted a way to carry music and video which seem to be fine. Also I am avoid really big files as over 2 gb I see in the FAt32 spec (below) is not supported. I was amazed the Fat32 format dates from 1996-08 (Windows 95 OSR2) and is and upgrade from FAT 16 1984-08 (MS-DOS 3.0) (Abridged history or I will bore myself).

 

The smaller the card the less the support burden for Tesco so keep people on the 32Gb cards. Not sure what format the 32 gb cards come in as default.

 

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I had hoped to be able to preserve internal memory by moving stuff to SD card but either KitKat or Tesco have other ideas. 

** the theoretical max size - The boot sector uses a 32-bit field for the sector count, limiting the FAT32 volume size to the 2 tb for a sector size of 512 bytes

 

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So there are 2 issues the integrity of using larger than the advertised 32gb and the technical / practical ability to make use of the space - primarily for mass storage but ideally for apps as appropriate. The designers can choose to allow some or most of the App to reside on SD if it is present however this methodology seems to be overturned possibly as device have larger internal memory.

Paradoxically Google are pushing Android to the 5 billion users that do not have smartphones currently and are pushing more memory efficiencies and requiring low RAM devices to be declared and apps to be able to dynamically adapted.

 

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Max. file size 2,147,483,647 bytes (2 GiB - 1) (without LFS)
4,294,967,295 bytes (4 GiB - 1)[1] (with LFS)
274,877,906,943 bytes (256 GiB - 1) (only with FAT32+[2])

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#FAT32

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Guest IanfromBristol

I'm having the same permission issues as iBrummie with my new Sandisk 64gb sd card.  I can write to it fine (from the PC) when the HUDL 2 is attached to the PC. However, none of the apps can write to it.  Help! 

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Guest DaveGriff

I'm having the same permission issues as iBrummie with my new Sandisk 64gb sd card.  I can write to it fine (from the PC) when the HUDL 2 is attached to the PC. However, none of the apps can write to it.  Help! 

You could have encountered KitKats built-in limitations on allowing write access to removable the SD card.

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Guest IanfromBristol

@DaveGriff

 

I think you may be right.  At the moment I'm loading up the SD card with all my read-only stuff i.e. music, films.  Bit of a pain having all that free space and the actual apps not being able to write to it :(

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