Guest SirGaz Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 I'm looking to buy Frontpage 2002 but I want to find somewhere cheaper than PC World. Anyone have any good suggestions? I'd like to steer clear of ebay and small "unknown" on-line stores unless you guys can recommend them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChrisJM Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 dont know if its cheaper should be :wink: www.dabs.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChrisJM Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 have you tried the site :?: Is it cheaper Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midnight Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 or just dont buy frontpage cos its goddamn terrible :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Dreamwaver MX :wink: Or if you want to impress friends and family:- Notepad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirGaz Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 or just dont buy frontpage cos its goddamn terrible :) I know it's not brilliant (I currently use Dreamweaver MX) but I'm in the middle of developing a website and I need to use Frontpage cos the hosting company uses .NET servers. Trouble that you can't use CGI scripts on that server so I'm lumbered with needing to buy Frontpage to be able to build a feedback and order form on the site. Just wondered if anyone used or knew of a cheaper place than pc world or dabs (just as expensive). Never mind, I'll have a look tonight myself, cheers for the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midnight Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 a hosting company using .NET servers? where's their heads ;P ah well, nothing much you can do about that then. and dreamweaver?????? notepad m8 :wink: (actually, i use acehtml, gotta love that program) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChrisJM Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 I used to use frontpage until you mensioned dreamweaver MX on here now i have that. Thanks :wink: Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midnight Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 dreamweaver sux aswell :wink: i do websites that deal with disability issues (such as blind+partially sighted) and even tho they have improved the accessibility features of dreamweaver mx, you still cant beat hand coding that stuff, thats why i like acehtml. amusing story.. went to a macromedia seminar, they where comparing source code created with dreamweaver with source code created by word (!?!?!?!), anyway, they had word as around 150 lines of code for a basic page, dreamweaver had about 40 lines of code, but what do they expect? word's html output is a hack. anyway, hand coded it would have been possible in around 20-30 lines of code, dreamweaver still has some nasty habits that i just wont put up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HelloDave Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 No WSYWIG HTML editor is going to be perfect, but Dreamweaver is about as good as they get, and comes with reasonable javascript and DHTML control (ironically, from the company who brought us the evil goes by the name of Flash - sorry Clint! :wink:). I use Dreamweaver for layout and design, and then 1stPage 2000 HTML editor for tweaking/javascript etc. What I like about Dreamweaver is that it doesn't hack about with your code, unlike FrontPage, which can't resist changing your javascript so it doesn't work! As far as getting FP 2002 goes, I got a copy of FP '98 thrown in with Back Office a few years ago; does the company your developing for get FP 2002 free with .net server? If so they might have a few spare licences lying about. Just a thought... I love the way you can spot a FP website through the templates, and why does everyone with FrontPage insist on using those annoying Java rollover buttons?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midnight Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 because 99% of frontpage users aint web designers :wink: they are home hobbyists hehe actually, what upsets me is the lack of quality among many web design companies (and surprise surprise, most use frontpage) and these are supposed to be professional companies? insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 (ironically, from the company who brought us the evil goes by the name of Flash - sorry Clint! :wink:). :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest almark Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 I dumped FrontPage and went with Dreamweaver from version 1. The MX version is superb. Although I agree with midnight that to get a site Bobby compliant, hand coding is the only way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 ...actually, what upsets me is the lack of quality among many web design companies (and surprise surprise, most use frontpage) and these are supposed to be professional companies? insane This is the Bain of my life!!! :evil: the standard of web companies in this country is an embarrassment, most of them are “the internet, there’s money in that lets do it, im sure it’s not that hard!”. 99% are just producing ether overpriced crap, or even worse under priced crap. The amount of times a client has gone “but I know a man in the put that will do it for £50!” :evil: :evil: :evil: These is one (and only one) good thing about it, it makes me look like a god with the work I do! :wink: www.netsource-solutions.com http://www.modaco.com/viewtopic.php?t=3340 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirGaz Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Actually ClintEastman, the bane of my life are "websites" that are fullscreen, removing the title bar, menus, buttons, status bar and window frames. Blooming annoying and all I can say is it's a good thing I have NT at work and XP at home as I can easily kill it with task manager. :evil: It might be a good site but for me that is an immediate turn off and I will kill any window that opens in that manner. :x I just noticed, without intentionally starting it, I have started a mine is better than your bebate, don't you just love em :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Fair enough, that was our first site and the only one we have done that does it, we are going to change that but never get the time. Most people that go on there can't believe it's a web site and are amazed by it (sad but true) :) PS. Alt-F4 :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChrisJM Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 I have now used dreamweaver. :) it is brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HelloDave Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Clint - i'm sorry to say I have to stick in the "Flash is evil" camp. Yes it's a "pretty" website, but why do I need to sit through 30 seconds of "testing system speed" (and that's on Broadband!) before I can see any information about the company? If I visited the site more that once that would get really annoying. And I don't like sites that take over my whole screen, especially ones that don't respond to the Esc key! PS. Alt-F4 But how many users know that? Most, methinks, would panic. (You don't own a 50p per min support line do you :wink:) It's an example of what happens when you let artists loose with something technical :wink: Never one to shy away from controversy - http://www.dack.com/web/flash_evil.html P.S. Apologies for hijacking this thread and taking it OT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 FYI testing system speed is benchmarking you system to find the best res to run the intro at. Each to there own, i have had this conversation before and the main thing to me is that ALL of my customers disagree with you and they pay my bills). :wink: It's like saying that TV is s*** because some programs are crap. Narrow minded in my view. As for HTML/PHP EditPlus is a great choice. :wink: If you want to read my views (though i dowt many will :wink:):- http://www.modaco.com/viewtopic.php?t=3340 EDIT And have you looked at that story http://www.dack.com/web/flash_evil.html what a load if crap! i think the person that wrote it is ether a retard or about 12, the bloody things 4 YEARS OLD!!! Now Hellodave, you don't really agree with that do you? :roll: It's plain to see the whole reson for it is to wind people up. But how many users know that? Most, methinks, would panic. (You don't own a 50p per min support line do you ) Thats not very nice after i gave up most of my weekend to provide content for this forum now is it? rant over. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midnight Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 flash is evil, its true :wink: gimme a well designed html site anyday, especially as *some* flash designers insist on you waiting several seconds or even minutes before you get to the content of the website, which, afterall is the point of most websites. i've had this argument several times before (i always win, cos from accessibility point of view, flash sucks). anyway, flash is still nice to look at, especially things like: http://tlf.cx/cow.swf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HelloDave Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Each to there own, i have had this conversation before and the main thing to me is that ALL of my customers disagree with you and they pay my bills).Fair enough - i'm just stating my opinions! I do think it's a great looking website, but just not for me. The fact that it takes 30+ seconds before you can see any information bugs me, and it crashed Netscape 7 which didn't endear me to it! I have to say that I personally am against intros on websites, and your site won't let me skip the intro for quite a while. I believe that when you visit a site the info should be there in front of you, without having to click "enter". That's probably becuase I'm an engineer, and say to myself - "what does the first page and intro actually do"? I expect everything to have a function! Probably why I never visit art galleries... It's like saying that TV is s*** because some programs are crap. Narrow minded in my view. That wasn't my point, but you can compare TV and Flash in some ways, in that it's a question of content. If TV broadcast snow all day every day and you couldn't change it then it would be sh*t even though there's nothing wrong with the technology. It's the same with Flash - the technology is fine in principle, but it's what people do with that counts, and sadly there are a lot of bad Flash sites out there. I wouldn't call that "narrow minded"; each to their own! :) Now Hellodave, you don't really agree with that do you?I didn't say I agreed with it, I merely posted the link as an example of what some people think about Flash. I do however think that if you strip away all the Sun type journalism there are some valid points in there that Flash designers should take note of; for example you can't turn off Flash unless a site lets you, which designers should keep in mind! I'm not saying you don't, but not everyone uses Flash properly! Flash has its place, and that is as an extra enhancement for sites - it's great for games but not really designed for whole sites IMO. Everyone has different priorities in a website, and that's what makes the 'net so diverse and lets it cater for everyone. My priorities are fast loading speed on any connection, the ability to view a site on any device (you can't view your site on an SPV :wink:), and the feeling of being in control. Flash is just one thing that can bug me; often Java, javascript and IE's "enhancements" are equally at fault! [EDIT] Thats not very nice after i gave up most of my weekend to provide content for this forum now is it? The support line was a joke Clint! Sheeesh - do smileys mean nothing these days? Did I ever question your contribution to this forum? ;) It is true that a lot of users don't know key shortcuts like Ctrl-F4, and so wouldn't know how to exit your site - just pointing that out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vector Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 I used Front Page 2000 for My website and that was easy enough to use and the result wasn't that bad either ( in my opinion :roll: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 There we go, a fair and weighed up statement, that’s all I was looking for! :wink: As I say, each to there own, and as it goes most (if not all) of my flash work is Web Applications, things like CRM systems and E-Learning (flash is now default for E-Learning and it’s great at). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HelloDave Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Does that mean I won't need to hide from you if I go to the MoDaCo event now :wink: As I said - Flash can be great; midnight's cow link is a good example. Much better quality than an avi would be, and faster loading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Does that mean I won't need to hide from you if I go to the MoDaCo event now :wink: :) You will be able to see me coming, i'll be the one dressed as a Fanta bottle handing out pictures of Gerbils PooHoles!! :wink: PS Not had the best of days today! :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now