Guest morpheus2702 Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Porn - now we are getting somewhere! As morally dubious it may be, for every pensioner you would convert to using data services, there would be a thousand: a) hormonally crazed teenagers :) guys out on the booze c) salesmen alone in hotel rooms d) sundry other perverts all willing to have their five minute thrill! If smug earns money, if smug saves jobs - fair enough. But there is no nobility on the dole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davy Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Big Ron, Your style of response to other opinions could well be considered flaming by some. You do not seem willing to accept others opinions and on occasion try to twist such responses to suit your own opinion. For example I gave the opinion that none of the elderly people I know want a mobile. You then state that I have a thesis that no elderly people want a mobile. :shock: You also tend to categorise people too easily and by so doing when you insult one person you insult many. :x Probably not though - one of the few self-confessed Orange employees finds dealing with more than one concept just TOO confusing. You state that you are trying to help Orange avoid bankruptcy and prevent Orange staff from losing their jobs, whilst at the same time you continually insult Orange staff. I find these actions totally contradictory. I also wonder why you did not send your suggestions to Orange direct rather than hope that they would see it on MoDaCo. More people are likely to read and respond to your postings (including perhaps Orange) if you changed your style of posting. davy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest morpheus2702 Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Well put Davey!!! Ron, how about a response that: a) Ac tually ANSWERS the questions raised, instead of going off at a tangent? :) Does not include a statistic? c) Is concise and to the point - i.e. less than 10 sentences? Give in a try... I dare you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Ron - No Longer a Mem Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Big Ron, Your style of response to other opinions could well be considered flaming by some. You do not seem willing to accept others opinions and on occasion try to twist such responses to suit your own opinion. For example I gave the opinion that none of the elderly people I know want a mobile. You then state that I have a thesis that no elderly people want a mobile. :shock:I assumed that you had some REASON for stating that none of the elderly people you know want a mobile - if you didn't have a reason for saying so, then I apologise for attributing one. You state that you are trying to help Orange avoid bankruptcy and prevent Orange staff from losing their jobs, whilst at the same time you continually insult Orange staff. I find these actions totally contradictory. One particular member of Orange's staff would immediately post a contradiction if I happened to remark on this forum that "the sun rose this morning". Same character that managed to (deliberately?) confuse the two different potential markets I identified. I maintain cordial relations with many other members of Orange's staff - and with other ex-members. In other posts, I've defended them - repeatedly - against accusations that they're incompetant: they're as competant as Orange allows them to be. As long as they're confined to reading scripts and discouraged from doing anything else, they'll be as good as the script they're reading from. When new phones emerge, they often don't even GET a script for weeks after the launch... which places them in a somewhat difficult position. I also wonder why you did not send your suggestions to Orange direct rather than hope that they would see it on MoDaCo.To whom exactly? IF - as is claimed - Orange DO have someone who trawls this forum looking for new ideas, then that would seem to be EXACTLY the person to talk to. I've experience of making suggestions "through channels" as an Orange employee. "Waste of time" is being polite. Was it a BAD idea I put forwards? Well - I suggested that since "Picture Messaging" is an emerging technology, more care should be taken to differentiate it from MMS, and so avoid confusion. ("Picture messaging" is a subset of SMS) The response made it clear that they weren't aware that Picture Messaging WAS anything other than MMS. A quick straw poll of colleagues and a supervisor showed that the confusion was near-universal. The supervisor was less than pleased to be shown not to be omniscient. From off-forum chat with O employees elsehwhere, it's the same all over. More people are likely to read and respond to your postings (including perhaps Orange) if you changed your style of posting. davy. Personally, I'm getting tired of the Bill Gates style standard response to posts - and I quote: "That's the stupidest f*cking idea I've ever heard in my life". Microsoft fandom can be taken too far. Before some idiot complains that THEY never said that... I didn't say you did - unless Bill Gates has decided to join the forum. Reportedly, it's almost a catch-phrase with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest morpheus2702 Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Yup knew that was too much to ask. :) The sound of your own voice is so much more appealing than a straight answer. Ever thought about running for an elected office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Lets keep this vaguely on topic shall we? Insults and trolling won't get you anywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest morpheus2702 Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Yeah sorry Mono, my mistake. Not getting anywhere so calling time on this one. Soon as Microsoft got mentioned I realised that someone Big had turned green and his clothes had started ripping... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davy Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Big Ron, My REASON for saying that elderly people I know do not want a mobile is because the elderly people that I know do not want mobiles. It is a statement of fact. Why should I have another REASON? Is your problem with morpheus 2702 because of his responses or because he is employed by Orange?(I assume) It was I who first responded to your suggestion yet your responses to morpheus 2702 appears to be much more vitriolic. Finally I neither like nor dislike microsoft. Your final comment in your last post is another sweeping generalisation and imho sums up why you have received the responses you have received. davy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest morpheus2702 Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Confession - yup, I'm the kid on the Orange adverts... :wink: Nope, in all seriousness and for the record, I am not or have ever been an employee of Orange! I'm just an Orange customer like most of us on here. Learn, discuss, have a laugh - that's my agenda, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davy Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Yea, I'll call time on this one too as I do not forsee us making any progress. At least it's helped pass another boring Sunday with nothing on the telly. :) ;) Lets all be pals and respect each others opinions. :roll: davy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest morpheus2702 Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 I don't know about that Davy... 24 was f**king brilliant tonight! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HelloDave Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 That was over ten sentences Ron :wink: (sorry!) At the risk of getting involved in this... Ron - people are less likely to take your opinions seriously if you insist on ignoring theirs! For an ex-Orange employee you seem unusually keen to try and make them money! :) I can see your point about the older generation wanting cheap phones, but from what i've seen those that want a mobile have one; my grandmother has a contract, even though her phone is only used for voice calls. Those in the older generation who don't own a mobile often choose not to because, like a lot of other new technologies, they don't want one; they've done without for 60 years, so why have one now? This is not true for everyone, but IMO for a large majority - whether a mobile is cheap or not isn't going to make much difference if someone really doesn't want one! Not all, but a proportion of the older generation don't get out a huge amount, and when they do it'll often be with younger family/friends/carer - so why would they need their own mobile when a landline will suffice when they are at home? I'm not saying there isn't a market for cheap PAYG phones, but IMO it isn't as huge as you make out. You can get a simple PAYG model for about £50 anyway - which is the same price as an average DECT cordless. Also, don't forget that the older generation aren't the type to waste money - they're not going to go out and buy £20 top ups without using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davy Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 morpheus 2702, I missed an episode of 24 a few weeks back so will have to wait for the repeats. Shouldn't be too long as repeats are pretty quick nowadays. :) HelloDave, Do you think its worth the hassle getting involved in this. :roll: ;) davy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HelloDave Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Do you think its worth the hassle getting involved in this. I've thrown in my 2p without too much flaming I hope - at least it was vaguely on topic :) Nothing I ever say is meant to come across too seriously, hence my abundant use of smileys. I try my best not to offend anyone ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davy Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Nothing I ever say is meant to come across too seriously, hence my abundant use of smileys. I try my best not to offend anyone :D An excellent philosophy mate. :) ;) davy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Ron - No Longer a Mem Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Confession - yup, I'm the kid on the Orange adverts... :wink: Nope, in all seriousness and for the record, I am not or have ever been an employee of Orange! I'm just an Orange customer like most of us on here. Learn, discuss, have a laugh - that's my agenda, nothing more. Apologies, then - you picked the same user-name as a longstanding forum member who DOES work for Orange. http://smartphone.modaco.com/viewtopic.php...5452&highlight= Ok, to answer you about Ireland.. I have just come from work ('O'), and apparently GPRS has not been tested in Ireland yet, so trying to use it may not work. Morpheus icon_cry.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Ron - No Longer a Mem Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 That was over ten sentences Ron :wink: (sorry!) At the risk of getting involved in this... Ron - people are less likely to take your opinions seriously if you insist on ignoring theirs! For an ex-Orange employee you seem unusually keen to try and make them money! :) I can see your point about the older generation wanting cheap phones, but from what i've seen those that want a mobile have one; my grandmother has a contract, even though her phone is only used for voice calls. Those in the older generation who don't own a mobile often choose not to because, like a lot of other new technologies, they don't want one; they've done without for 60 years, so why have one now? This is not true for everyone, but IMO for a large majority - whether a mobile is cheap or not isn't going to make much difference if someone really doesn't want one! Not all, but a proportion of the older generation don't get out a huge amount, and when they do it'll often be with younger family/friends/carer - so why would they need their own mobile when a landline will suffice when they are at home? I'm not saying there isn't a market for cheap PAYG phones, but IMO it isn't as huge as you make out. You can get a simple PAYG model for about £50 anyway - which is the same price as an average DECT cordless. Also, don't forget that the older generation aren't the type to waste money - they're not going to go out and buy £20 top ups without using them. My mother-in-law (82 this week) wouldn't BUY a mobile, and doesn't really want one. She embodies exactly the attitude you describe. But she's a sprightly only girl, always on the go, and when she doesn't answer the landline, my wife starts to get paranoid - despite my assurances that "she's probably either IN Sainsburys, on the way TO Sainsburys, or on the way HOME from Sainsburys" (Sainsburys is a half hour walk each way - she shops their every day - AND goes back if she's forgotten to buy something!) Want one or not, she's GOT a mobile in her handbag, because it stops my wife leaping into the car and racing to her mother's bungalow on the far side of town to check that she's not fallen over and broken her hip or something. My own mother (76) on the other hand lives in the Isle of Man - and she DOES want a mobile. Was put off by the idea of the cheapest phone on the Island (a Nokia 3310) costing £100. (well, £99.99!) which was more than she wanted to spend. She spends a lot of time travelling - Australia, Canada, this year it's S. Africa, and wants to be able to be easily contactable by my somewhat infirm stepfather. So on discovering that she can have a reasonable phone for just £25, she's an enthusiastic convert to the idea. Two PAYG SIMs - one Manx, one Orange, get swapped over when she visits us on the mainland, and she's checked out how to buy a S. African PAYG SIM when she gets there (she's trying to arrange purchase of one before she leaves, via the internet) So, while YOUR personal experience and "local straw poll" suggests that old people just don't WANT mobile phones (and that those who do already have one) isn't borne out by mine. The key point here is that even a small proportion of the blue-rinse market is a LOT of people. If - for example - Belgium is a "market big enough to be worth bothering with", then so too is this one. When a customer for PC services turned out to have bought their phone (same model as my first one) from the same store that I did at roughly the same time, I was led to wonder how many others still had the same obsolete model. (Kind of funny - she put he phone on the table when I wasn't looking - it rang, and I picked it up and answered it. without a second thought - even though mine is now in my mother-in-law's handbag) There must be hundreds of them out there still, even in this small town. I mentioned the availability of cheap "14 day" upgrades, and she jumped at the opportunity to get something smaller and sexier for under £40. Of the people I know who have elderly PAYG handsets, roughly 3/4 have said "if I could upgrade for a few quid, I would". A single-parent friend with two pre-teen sons says he'd like it if he and they could each have a phone - it would make him feel more comfortable if they can be contacted/can reach him at any time of the day, wherever they are. But whereas a £100 budget for three phones IS just about affordable, £100 each isn't. I've spent a couple of months talking to people - not making a point of it, just if the issue comes up - and the majority of them had no idea that it WAS possible to buy a second-user cheap phone with a warranty. Most greeted the news that it IS with some degree of pleasure, and expressed the idea that they'd probably invest in a phone at some time in the near future. Not a huge sample - just a dozen or so. But a fairly solidly favourable response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Ron - No Longer a Mem Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 I don't know about that Davy... 24 was f**king brilliant tonight! :wink: Alas, I missed the BBC4 episode, and I'll have to wait until next week's repeat on BB2. Reason? The "set-top box" has packed up. Originally from On Digital, it's a notoriously unreliable model - the Nokia box. Ron :wink: :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Ron - No Longer a Mem Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 And now I'm off for a couple of days... so play NICELY chldren. If anyone sees a middle aged bloke with a beard, accompanied by a small boy on Blackpool's "Pepsi Max Challenge" roller coaster in the next couple of days, wish the young boy happy birthday. My son's birthday treat this year... two days in Blackpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midnight Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 My son's birthday treat this year... two days in Blackpool. now thats just cruel heheh :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MECX Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Man, it took me ages to read all that entertained me at no end. :) ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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