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hi,

I'm experiencing problems to use the SPV with the microsoft smartphone SDK. from all I'v red about it until now, it seems to be due to some kind of lock, but I'm afraid to confess I'm quite confuse about this.

first, there's this story of sim lock, which is personal to Orange, and seems not to be the cause of this because it should only be SIM related. there's also the problem of signature, but this doesn't correspond (for me) to the error messages I got from the SDK.

since I didn't see something precise about the messages I had, I wonder if we all have teh same problem here... nevertheless, I intend to be quite clear about mine, so the people who append to encounter it could at least understand. here it is :
- I first downloaded the smartphone SDK, with everything needed (eVC 3.0 and ActiveSync 3.6), and everything just work -almost- perfectly. I mean, I have this "provisionning app" timeout problem, for which I haven't found any solution, so I just turn off the signing settings to avoid the time out. The only thing I remembered doing wrong -maybe- was to install ActiveSync after eVC and Smartphone2002SDK. however, apps a running well, so does the debug, so as far as now I can say the emulator is quite operationnal.
- I got the SPV, plug it to the computer through the USB, and got ActiveSync to work with it. it can synchronize perfectly. I can browse, copy files from and to the SPV through the explorer, while the connection with ActiveSync is still active.
- here is the problem : when I try to compile a basic app (ARM Debug or Release, Smartphone2002 Default Device), it first copy some transport component, and then sudently stop to print :

the microsoft activesync connection server has failed. 
please make sure microsoft activesync is running and retry the download by rebuild all or update remote output files. 
also make sure that you have selected the correct platfrom. 

ActiveSync is active a this time... now ok, I try to Configure the Platform Manager, test the Smartphone 2002 Default Device settings. since when choosing ActiveSync there's no settings available, I juste run teh test, to get this error :

the microsoft activesync reported the following error : unable to load the device side components. please check server configuration settings. 


I'm now very confuse, about this and the mess around SPV devloppment. has anyone encounter the same problem as me ? may it be related to some basic ActiveSync configuration ? thanks in advance.

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No, this won't work due to the Certificate problems. See other threads all over this board.

In a nut shell Orange have made the choice that the only software that is allowed to run on Orange SPVs must have an Orange (or other approved) digital signature.

The SDK signs the software with a signature unique to your copy of the SDK and because of Orange's lock you (a) cannot load your signature to the phone or (:D run your software because the signature is not allowed on the phone.

Unfortunately that's the state of play right now. Other Smartphones when they arrive may have different policies but it's up to each network.

On Orange you need to get the software certified (which costs maybe £300) before it can be used. For development purposes phones with relaxed security policies will theoretically become available from Orange in the future (I would guess this would be through some form of partner program). Currently the only low security phones were the pre release models and phones in the hands of some of Oranges close allies in fixing OS problems.

Bad news I'm afraid.

However rumor has it that some "people" may be involved in work on "adjusting" the firmware of your phone to make it more "accessable". Such things if they work and become available will probably be a breach of some user agreements with Orange etc and then people can start argueing about fair use of devices they own etc....

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that's wrothly what I understood this far, but I was very suspicious since the error messages didn't tell anything about certificates. are you sure theese are the common symptoms ?

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that's wrothly what I understood this far, but I was very suspicious since the error messages didn't tell anything about certificates. are you sure theese are the common symptoms ?


I haven't done this stuff myself but the error messages sound similar to what I saw in another post some time ago and it was referring to a certificate problem. Microsoft is not noted for it's quality error messages....

If orange had not locked it down so rigorously then there's a tool you would use in the SDK to push your certificate onto the phone to resolve that error (can't remember what it's called.) Unfortunately Orange hasn't even given you the right to load new certificates onto your own phone. So no solution......

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yes, there're plenty of usefull remote tool to spy and manage your real device, but unfortunatly, you can't use them right now...

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The tool is called rapiconfig.exe.

rapiconfig.exe /p /m [certificate.xml]
There is an entry in the security model which specifically allows or disallows running rapiconfig.exe against a Smartphone. Obviously, Orange's security model has this disallowed.

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