Guest b0x Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Now, at first i thought i was going crazy so i called in Pagemakers with his two e200's to test this. Basically, as far as we can tell, running your e200 with a SD card in slams the battery life. I get 3 days standby non stop without my SD card in (and a lot more free system memory showing in taskmanager) but if i use my SD card i'll be lucky to get 24 hours. I know the system will have an extra load (even though the memory is non volatile it still has to page the card to work out it's status) but can anybody explain and / or reproduce it with their phones? To quote Paul from a PM In-bloody-credible It lasts much longer. You are not going crazy! Got 3 bars left at 8pm instead of 1. Thoughts? jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pagemakers Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 No idea why but I can confirm it works. My e200 with the SD card taken out had 2 bars more than the phone with the SD card left in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goudvarken Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Hmmm They Should Design A Programm That Can Turn The SD Card Redining Off And Only Turns it On when you use your phone or somewhat in that direction.... Maybe It's a Idea... :?: :?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest urdone311 Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 if this is true, it just proves that it must be a software issue that Orange NEEDS TO GET FIXED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goudvarken Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Well It Looks Logical To Me That if you connect a hardware thing in your spv( In this Situation a SD Card) That It Drains Power just as if you put a PCMCIA card in your laptop it drains more power because it constantly Gets date But Because you dont always need to acces date on your spv maybe it can be turned off and only turned on when you use your spv For the Orange issue, I think it isn't their problem because it is your choice if you use a sd card or not, and it isn't somewhat of a bug .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lukeyboy Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Good spot guys. So basically the phones power is being drained because the software constantly searches for any 'add on' devices? So someone somewhere just has to stop this searching function and make the card in an 'on & off state' and not a constantly on state. :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest urdone311 Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 hmmm...good point. but i am sure there is something with the software that can be modified, there has to be. I say you could possibly organize some sort of an official test, maybe have a few people in on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goudvarken Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Hmmm I'm No SPV Smartphone Tweaker But Maybe It Is In is Mentioned in the registry how much the sd card is updated... :?: :?: and maybe you can put this number down... Should ask a moderator or somewhat they know more then me :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeta101 Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 isnt this a fault by MS not orange? and does the same happen on SP2002? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goudvarken Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Well I Think It is Basiccly in the Begin part of microsoft but it isnt somewhat of a fault it is just a logical thing that your sd card is updated But Maybe that can be tweaked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lutzh Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 interesting- veeeery interesting! i have the smartbatt-plugin running and here is my experience: i have akku running at 88 %. with the 256 mb sd card it tells me that i have energy for another 15 hours. after reading this here i took my 128 mb mmc card, copied everything from the sd to the mmc and put the mmc in the e200. now i have still 88 % akku left - and 1 day 55 minutes to go with the akku... so, whats the problem? it would be possible to disable the card completly here HKLMDriversBuildin but who could want that? cheers, lutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goudvarken Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 interesting- veeeery interesting! so, whats the problem? it would be possible to disable the card completly here HKLMDriversBuildin but who could want that? Thats a Start, Maybe Some One canb Get From This to something that Puts the card out after 10 minutes of non usage for example should give you a enormous battery boost in compare to the constantly use of the sd card The only thing now is Is It Possible to Make Something for This, And Does Someone Wants To Do it (Hopefully Someone Does :) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lutzh Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 ok, more data for you. all numbers taken from smartbatt plugin, voyager runs with bluetooth on: 86 % akku - no card - 1 day, 3 hrs., 40 min. left. 85 % akku - mmc card - 14 hrs, 25 minutes left. 85 % akku - sd card - 14 hrs, 24 mins. left. so at the end of the day the difference between sd and mmc is non existent but the difference between card/no card is massive. its not bluetooth that sucks your phone off its the card!!! there is a tool in the windows folder of the voyager called SDCARDBusControl.exe (BSQUARE 2002, Shutdown utility, Produktname: SDIO). with some tricks we where able to use the parameters - x (shutdown SD Bus driver stack), -m (output current memory state). too bad: shutting down the card bus locks the phone completely, no input possible anymore. the smartbatt plugin shows massive increase of the standby but what does it help when the phone is locked up.... as far as we can see there is no workaround to fix that problem beside the option to take out the card if you dont need it. oh boy, thats poor work i have to say. we pay with battery standby for the nearly non useable feature of the sdio-slot... cheers, lutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goudvarken Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Hmmm :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Great find, but also completely outrageous! I'll mention it to Orange and see what they say... P Posted from my SmartPhone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pisquee Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Wondering whether similar thing will happen on the Canary and Tanagers ... if so, could get a few days out of one maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dumdidum Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 That's really unbelievable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Emad Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 The mpx200s battery life is increased to about 3 days when you remove the caller id app from the storage card - sounds like a similar thing to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lutzh Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 @ pisquee: definitly not since this problem goes back to the fact that htc implemented the sdio-controller in to the e200 and that wasnt there in the spv/e100. we already checked that out to see the difference in both card controllers. its simply something someone forgot and its clear that it goes back to htc. thats why its pretty needed to tell this mr. orange ... btw: i have my e200 running now since 2 am with bluetooth (was on 85 % battery at this time) on and no card in it. it seems like i am good for another 13 hours (40 % battery now), so i am shure that i can go 24 hrs with bluetooth on and card out... cheers, lutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goudvarken Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snakeeater Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Woohoo! This is the fun of owning an SPV :D Much more interesting than your average phone. Poor bluetooth getting the blame for everything. Come back bluetooth we're sorry :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b0x Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 I'm glad i've finally contributed something worthwhile to this forum! Hopefully this is something that can be fixed with a software update, i need to use an SD card but i also need my phone to last longer than a day and dont want to be popping it in and out all the time! jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest meatgrinder Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Come back bluetooth we're sorry :) lol this is an interesting find, yet another c**k up on HTC's list Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blewer Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Good news. Sounds like someone could come up with a solution :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Navec245 Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Very interesting indeed. A thought. The SD card doeshave a LOCK feature, meaning you cant write anything. Would having the lock enable be a way for the phone to stop searching (or whatever) because there is no card technically to write to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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