Guest canko20 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Yeah... P PAUL CAN YOU READ MY PM? it's very important...please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oxylos Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) There is maybe new way to solve the Stall problem. Move your /data/data to external sd card instead of the NAND It seems that the problem is not the slow internal SD but the simultaneously access to it by the OS when low of memory (swap?) and Apps loading data. So moving to external SD could be enough to eliminate the blackouts and stalls. Can someone prove this? Edited July 8, 2010 by oxylos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oachim Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Hi, Thanks for your patch. I have a question: I'm trying to reverse Paul's fix before applying your script. I was wondering if, by default, there is any /dbdata/data directory or not (it was created while applying Pau's instructions). While I was assumed there is no /dbdata/data directory, I have noticed your script assumes there is one (you're not creating it anywhere). Would you please clarify this? Regards, Ovidiu I have created a script that will only move the core folders (com.android and com.sec.android) to the /dbdata folder. This will ensure new third party apps able to install w/o worrying about the disk space constraint. beware this script assume you have not done the stall patch yet (i.e. all the folders are still in /data/data). if you have already done that, make sure you reverse the origianl patch before applying this script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arnon Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) There is maybe new way to solve the Stall problem. Move your /data/data to external sd card instead of the NAND It seems that the problem is not the slow internal SD but the simultaneously access to it by the OS when low of memory (swap?) and Apps loading data. So moving to external SD could be enough to eliminate the blackouts and stalls. Can someone prove this? It is easy to link to the SD card the problem is that when you plug the device to a USB the SD folder may not be available (if the SD is mounted as an external card...) Also (almost forgot) you need to repartition anyway since there's a permission problem when you try to just copy over the data - and then the problem you have is that you need to remount it as startup Edited July 8, 2010 by Arnon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zenkinz Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Hi, Thanks for your patch. I have a question: I'm trying to reverse Paul's fix before applying your script. I was wondering if, by default, there is any /dbdata/data directory or not (it was created while applying Pau's instructions). While I was assumed there is no /dbdata/data directory, I have noticed your script assumes there is one (you're not creating it anywhere). Would you please clarify this? Regards, Ovidiu you are right, create data in /dbdata, so that all the sym links can be stored under /dbdata/data for better organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest us1111 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) It is easy to link to the SD card the problem is that when you plug the device to a USB the SD folder may not be available (if the SD is mounted as an external card...) That's not the way.. Create a ext2/3 partition on the SDCARD and then do the rest.. Because of file specific attributes, you could neve move the files to vfat. Also adjusted the script to do some minor checks (just to be sure :)). Not tested this yet.. echo "Optimising com.android folders" echo "" mkdir -p /dbdata/data for i in `ls -d com.android.*` do echo "Moving $i ..." cp -rp $i /dbdata/data if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then rm -r $i ln -s /dbdata/data/$i /data/data/$i else echo "Error linking: $i" fi done echo "Done with com.android optimisation." echo "" echo "Optimising com.sec.android folders" echo "" for i in `ls -d com.sec.android.*` do echo "Moving $i ..." cp -rp $i /dbdata/data if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then rm -r $i ln -s /dbdata/data/$i /data/data/$i else echo "Error linking: $i" fi done Edited July 8, 2010 by us1111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DistortedLoop Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Move your /data/data to external sd card instead of the NAND It seems that the problem is not the slow internal SD but the simultaneously access to it by the OS when low of memory (swap?) and Apps loading data. If your theory is correct, wouldn't it be simpler/safer to move the swap to an ext partition on the external sdcard? It is easy to link to the SD card the problem is that when you plug the device to a USB the SD folder may not be available (if the SD is mounted as an external card...) Also (almost forgot) you need to repartition anyway since there's a permission problem when you try to just copy over the data - and then the problem you have is that you need to remount it as startup Do the ext partitions get unmounted from the OS when you do the USB mount of the sdcard? I never noticed issues with my apps2sd applicatoins running when I was USB mounted, but I can't be sure I ever tried to run them. That's not the way.. Create a ext2/3 partition on the SDCARD and then do the rest.. Because of file specific attributes, you could neve move the files to vfat. You don't like ext4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gravityz3r0 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) If your theory is correct, wouldn't it be simpler/safer to move the swap to an ext partition on the external sdcard? Do the ext partitions get unmounted from the OS when you do the USB mount of the sdcard? I never noticed issues with my apps2sd applicatoins running when I was USB mounted, but I can't be sure I ever tried to run them. You don't like ext4? Yes it does get unmounted just like internal SD, i.e : your custom ringtones will all revert to the default tones, just one of the example. Edited July 8, 2010 by gravityz3r0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mickeko Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) If your theory is correct, wouldn't it be simpler/safer to move the swap to an ext partition on the external sdcard? Or better yet, put the swap on /dbdata? Most phones don't have as huge internal memory as the SGS so it really shouldn't be necessary to have a whole lot of swap anyway (if at all?). Android doesn't use swap anyway afaik. Edited July 8, 2010 by mickeko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AYAMY Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Hi everybody... i have this problem... when I push volumedowm+home+on/off my galaxy s shows me this screen.... http://yfrog.com/4vimg0027cj could you tell me what's wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xig Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Hi everybody... i have this problem... when I push volumedowm+home+on/off my galaxy s shows me this screen.... http://yfrog.com/4vimg0027cj could you tell me what's wrong ? you have to use volume up + home + power :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eizyark Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 well i have a problem, mines keeps coming permission denied when trying to access /data. can anyone help me? tnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DistortedLoop Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Or better yet, put the swap on /dbdata? Most phones don't have as huge internal memory as the SGS so it really shouldn't be necessary to have a whole lot of swap anyway (if at all?). Android doesn't use swap anyway afaik. Yeah, I don't know how much swap is actually used. Cyanogen's recommending not to bother with a swap partition on the Nexus One, but that doesn't mean the phone doesn't swap at all. Is the /dbdata on the same physical device as the other stuff? The concept I was responding to was the suggestion that the slowdowns are caused by the OS trying to read an apk to open it while messing with swap on the same physical device at the same time. Are there two separate sets of memory in the SGS - I was under the impression that there was just one big 8GB chip partitioned out to the ROM and internal sdcard? I've only had the phone 36 hours, still trying to get up to speed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest us1111 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) I would really advise against using swap.. If you take into account the amount of physical memory (512MB) and the slow transfer rate of SD, this would be crazy.. But maybe we are confusing cache with swap now? You don't like ext4? No, love ext4 but i'm not sure it's default compiled in the kernel used on the GS. Edited July 8, 2010 by us1111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mickeko Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) Yeah, I don't know how much swap is actually used. Cyanogen's recommending not to bother with a swap partition on the Nexus One, but that doesn't mean the phone doesn't swap at all. Is the /dbdata on the same physical device as the other stuff? The concept I was responding to was the suggestion that the slowdowns are caused by the OS trying to read an apk to open it while messing with swap on the same physical device at the same time. Are there two separate sets of memory in the SGS - I was under the impression that there was just one big 8GB chip partitioned out to the ROM and internal sdcard? I've only had the phone 36 hours, still trying to get up to speed on it. This is a complete list of all block devices in the 8GB SGS (I see no reason as to why it would be any different on the 16GB, except perhaps for more sd-devices obviously. :) ) Block devices 1 ramdisk 259 blkext 7 loop 8 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 65 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 66 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 67 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 68 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 69 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 70 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 71 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 128 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 129 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 130 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 131 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 132 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 133 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 134 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 135 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 137 bml - 512MB other ROM 138 stl - Unknown sized other ROM (likely 512MB, but it doesn't add up to it when counting, totals 427136kB) 139 tfsr - 512MB yet another ROM 179 mmc - My microSD (Shows quite clearly that stl is a separate physical chip and not part of the sd storage btw) Edited July 8, 2010 by mickeko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest webcrtor Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Is there a way to install asphalt 5 again after doing this? I pretty much liked the game and it's only game with decent graphics so :) I still have 102mb free on dbdata but still cannot install due to low diskspace.. any solutions? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest suman_pal78 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Try at your own risk... if things go wrong you'll need to wipe your device. I have done this and it seems to have eradicated the 'stalling' i've seen on the device... You need to be rooted and have ADB on your PC to run these commands. If it's confirmed this helps, i'll make the process easier with an 'installer'. Enter the following commands in adb on your PC with your device attached (rooted, with USB debugging enabled): adb shell su cp -rp /data/data /dbdata mv /data/data /data/data.bak ln -s /dbdata/data /data/data reboot I've done this on mine, and i'm yet to see a 'stall'. Let me know how you get on! NOTE: This basically moves the application data stuff from the internal SD to the NAND, which seems to be faster. The caveat is that the size limit for dbdata is about 130MB, so if you go over that with your app data, bad things might happen. On the plus side, we're only moving data not the apps themselves, so filling up 130MB will take a while. :) P so what is the final sets of command paul...you are just great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest khunjj Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Is there a way to install asphalt 5 again after doing this? I pretty much liked the game and it's only game with decent graphics so :) I still have 102mb free on dbdata but still cannot install due to low diskspace.. any solutions? thanks Look at http://android.modaco.com/content-page/312...tchen/page/280/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DistortedLoop Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Thanks for educating me! Remember, I'm just working off the other guy's theory that multiple read/writes are causing the slowdown and trying to learn a bit here, so my question is, in your listing, can the phone simultaneously read/write to say your 65 sd and 68 sd devices with no performance hit? This is a complete list of all block devices in the 8GB SGS (I see no reason as to why it would be any different on the 16GB, except perhaps for more sd-devices obviously. :) ) Block devices 1 ramdisk 259 blkext 7 loop 8 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 65 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 66 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 67 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 68 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 69 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 70 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 71 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 128 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 129 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 130 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 131 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 132 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 133 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 134 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 135 sd - 512MB SD FlashROM 137 bml - 512MB other ROM 138 stl - Unknown sized other ROM (likely 512MB, but it doesn't add up to it when counting, totals 427136kB) 139 tfsr - 512MB yet another ROM 179 mmc - My microSD (Shows quite clearly that stl is a separate physical chip and not part of the sd storage btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kilack Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 anyone worked out a way to remount the partitions at startup to set the flags ,nosuid,noatim. Seems amazing that there isn't a way to do what seem simple things with android... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rasp Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) anyone worked out a way to remount the partitions at startup to set the flags ,nosuid,noatim. Seems amazing that there isn't a way to do what seem simple things with android... cos u will need to compile your own kernel.. LeshaK did it with his first public released zImage with root.. those rc files are in ramdisk. Edited July 9, 2010 by rasp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest us1111 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 anyone worked out a way to remount the partitions at startup to set the flags ,nosuid,noatim. Seems amazing that there isn't a way to do what seem simple things with android... Mounting happens in /init.rc, if you remount / as rw, then this should be possible? mount -o remount,rw rootfs / vi /init.rc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kilack Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 cos u will need to compile your own kernel.. LeshaK did it with his first public released zImage with root.. those rc files are in ramdisk. so probably its just a matter of time then for this to happen? As the phone launches in more places and gets more popular... more attention will come to it etc... I'm patient... well a little... thanks rasp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rasp Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 so probably its just a matter of time then for this to happen? As the phone launches in more places and gets more popular... more attention will come to it etc... I'm patient... well a little... thanks rasp lets hope we get more dev with galaxy s.. currently, only leshak compiled a custom kernel (without even i9000 on hand - i was his beta tester.. lol) for our device, i want to try but my knowledge in android is limited, when i hv time, i will try meddling with it and see how far i can get.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 What do you want form a custom kernel exactly? I don't really see a need... P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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