Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 after a lot of playing and experimenting to find a solution about the DownLeft diagonal problem I though you would all like to see what the internals of the MPX look like. These pictures are only of the main keyboard housing at the moment but in the near future I may do more of the display as well. Word of caution do not try this at home unless you have the correct tools and want to void your warranty.backremoved.jpgkeypad.jpgkeypadmembrane.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brody Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Very nice photos ash! Nice watermarks too Mid :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rchiileea Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 did u power on like that well try down and left using to prods(somthing soft not a screwdriver)whithout rubber keypad on notice how it works!!! me and a friend(well he did)tried this shaved off a about 0.5 of a mm off the blue area but prob was d/l worked u/r never so as i said befor maby its down to design,either rubber keypad is crap design or its just the oval shape of the dir and action button the red area is next were gonna try to shave a bit offkeypadmembrane.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 d/l worked u/r never Interesting, that's the first time I've seen anyone mention that. I will have another look later and may reposition the D pad and technically it would only need to be out of alignment by microns to stop working correctly but I'm still looking into other possible causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rchiileea Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 if you do put phone together minus pad turn on and we used 2 chopsticks and push down a left same time it works?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 OK play with silicone time it is then :D Now depending on the quality of sealant they used I'll have to be carefull not to split the membrane :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rchiileea Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 mmm if you make adjustments to keypad and get both d/l and u/r working you shd be working in moto design tbh..as i said if moto look at forum thered realise they shd give us a job. well help them get a perfect phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Agree there :) I need a new job :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest equis Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 You a brave man opening the MPX awarner/ash? :) I was thinking of opening the phone myself and tinkering with but I don't have an other back up phone. Let us know what you find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Ok an update for you The fault is not a definate hardware or software problem but with the help of beersoft I have tested the inputs for the key presses as well and found sone interesting results. 1, If you press and hold the Action button only the UP and Right directions work the Down and Left refuse to register at all. 2, When the other directional buttons are pressed both Left and Up (for example) are registered, but if you press the DownLeft only one of the commands are registered. 3, The Action button only registers when it is released and not when it is actually pressed. Unless I can get hold of a broken phone to dig deeper finding a solution may take a bit longer :? Posted from my SmartPhone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mike-oh Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Er u sure about number 3? Go to type a new message and press and hold the action key in the subject field. You'll hear that it's registering over and over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Positive it does seem to depend on the command being called for though, which just makes matters more confusing :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 I'm working with beersoft on someting to clarify this further (incase its' a software glitch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lawsonium Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 This is all amazing stuff. But where does this leave us at the moment. Is it purely hardware, purely software or a bit of both? Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beersoft Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 im currently working on a better key tester app, the example one i modifed out of the sdk samples seems to do some random things from time to time. Im going to keep working on this and fingers crossed i will get the same results on my e100 and mpx later Owen "shh, busy coding stuff" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kyrkesmith Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 It does seem to depend on the command being called for It's kinda like that on a PC, innit. If you click on say for example Close, and change your mind, you can hold down the mouse button and move off. It does register that you've clicked, and changes the button on the screen, but doesn't actually apply the function of the button until you release the click over the button. The hardware in the phone must be telling the phone what is going on, but it's a decision by Microsoft to do what they do on desktops. Imho, it's better that way, as I suppose you could press Back or something if you pressed the action button by mistake before releasing it. Not sure if any of that makes any sense, but there we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taoski Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 Sounds to me to be more like a software fault. Its probably a fault when handling an input like: ACTION_DOWN ACTION_UP Or something like that - like using Mouse_over, mouse_down etc when programming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Sticky removed as new pics now posted :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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