Guest The PocketTV Team Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Apparently GAPI is broken on the 8390, which means that all the games and video applications like PocketTV that use GAPI will not work on this device. We are working with Mitac to see if there is a way for us to work around this issue (and for them to fix it, in future ROM's). We'll keep you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schriss Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Any news? I hope it will take weeks, not months to get GAPI fixed... :? Without GAPI, it's not a smartphone, it's an ordinary cell phone :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The PocketTV Team Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Any news? I hope it will take weeks, not months to get GAPI fixed... :? Without GAPI, it's not a smartphone, it's an ordinary cell phone :x They are still working on it... I think they are busy with more urgent things, like preparing new devices that will run WM2003-SE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schriss Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 WM2003-SE?? I just sold my E100 and bought Mitac 8390... and now they will sell 2003-SE devices? I almost got mine and it's already outdated :? I suppose there will be no upgrades for WM2003 to SE? They will want to sell new devices, just like in case of WM2003... What's new in SE, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The PocketTV Team Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 > What's new in SE, anyway? As far as Smartphone are concerned, support for higher resolution display (up to 320x240). Not larger size, just higher resolution, i.e. making fonts much more readable, especially small size fonts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vdk Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Im very annoyed that pockettv cant be used with the new 8390 plus the problems with the camera having horizontal line. I guess its not you guys fault but poor build quality you can expect from Asian manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The PocketTV Team Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Mitac is a pretty good and professional manufacturers, but like all others (e.g. HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc), they sometimes make mistakes. Don't forget that most, if not all, Smartphones and Pocket PC's are designed in asia (HTC from Taiwan designed the E100 and E200 from Orange, Chi Mei Communication Systems (CMCS) from Taiwan designed the Motorola MPx200, etc). In our next release of PocketTV, we'll try to find a solution to work around the problem of GAPI being broken on this device. Unfortunately such a workaround is not the best solution. The best solution would be for Mitac to produce a patch, so that all other games using GAPI will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schriss Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 I just can't believe it... so they didn't try any GAPI application before they started mass production of 8390? :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The PocketTV Team Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 I just can't believe it... so they didn't try any GAPI application before they started mass production of 8390? :shock: You can also blame Microsoft. They provide a Platform Test Suite called "LTK". If the device passes the LTK, it is approved by MSFT and they can sell it. Unfortunately the LKT does not contain any test involving GAPI!!! In any case, it's a firmware issue, not a hardware issue, so the problem can be fixed later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kimchi29 Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 dang, this really really sucks, games also dont work and emulators. sigh, can't wait untill a patch comes out. I need my Pocket TV! need to watch movies during 5th and 6th period, high schools a bore :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frazzyscot Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Any word on a fix for GAPI? Just find it a bit annoying that I bought a fast smartphone to play emulators and games on, and find that it's a smartphone that can't play many smartphone programs! :evil: Oh well at least Doom works so guess I'll have to go complete it again :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markgamber Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Try the (apparently) new BetaPlayer app and set the video type to GDI. That plays divx files for me just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest picard_beta Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Apparently GAPI is broken on the 8390, which means that all the games and video applications like PocketTV that use GAPI will not work on this device. what is the nature of the problem? can it be detected so i can change to GDI by default? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markgamber Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 As far as I can tell, GAPI works up to the point of getting a buffer address at which time it hands back a garbage address. A 32 bit number is a 32 bit number so unless it's null, which it's not, I can't see how it could be detected automatically. I'd guess that's why the Beta Player app has menu items dealing with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The PocketTV Team Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 what is the nature of the problem? can it be detected so i can change to GDI by default? The problem would be first to detect the type of device. Unfortunately Mitac does not place any usable string in SystemParametersInfo(SPI_GETOEMINFO,...). Then it would be nice to know the correct frame buffer address. I don't have the anwer. All I know is that Mitac is aware of the issue, so probably only a relatively small number of 8390 have the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The PocketTV Team Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 As far as I can tell, GAPI works up to the point of getting a buffer address at which time it hands back a garbage address. A 32 bit number is a 32 bit number so unless it's null, which it's not, I can't see how it could be detected automatically. I'd guess that's why the Beta Player app has menu items dealing with it. Already you could check the address for sanity. If it's odd, it's probably not good. And the real frame buffer address is probably page-aligned, so a non-page aligned address woould be a good indication that it's garbage :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BallaJ Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 i am new to all of this and was wondering if i could play games on the 8380?? is the GAPI broken on the 8380?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The PocketTV Team Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 i am new to all of this and was wondering if i could play games on the 8380?? is the GAPI broken on the 8380?? This thread is about the 8390. There is nothing wrong with GAPI on the 8380. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schriss Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Here is what Mitac support wrote me: Message:Dear customer, sorry for this, so far we can''t have the plan to update the os. :cry: it can support the java game. (Great, stupid java, really great... :cry: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schriss Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 By the way, I don't get it how GAPI works. If GAPI is supposed to report frame buffer address, then isn't the address fixed (always the same) for Mio 8390? If it's fixed, we have no problem. If it's not fixed (changes), then I suppose a person who makes working gx.dll for Mio 8390 would be fameous? 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the bishop Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 crikey - so all 8390s cannot use GAPI? what utils can I use to check this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schriss Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 If someone could make special GAPI version just for MIO 8390, or make a GAPI-to-GDI bridge, that would be awesone :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pwest13 Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Schriss lets not let them get away with not updating the OS keep pestering, it may be cheaper for them to update the OS rather then email every1 in this forum every week :D Can u post the Mitac service we should e-mail? i tried to find it there are so many :S Westy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schriss Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 I'm sure it could be possible to make a GAPI-to-GDI wrapper, all it takes to make a GAPI app work on Mio8390 was "make it blit to the screen without requiring a screen pointer". Two developers did it after my email... And you don't have to rewrite whole application as other GAPI functions work fine. So I think making a wrapper that would do it on the fly with every application would be possible... and I don't care about speed. I have registered here: http://www.mitacservice.com and sent them a question, answer was "update is not scheduled" :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pwest13 Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 ok, i will as k too, keep pestering them every1. But be polite obviously. Westy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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