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[Confucious]

Surely this won't be a problem when O release a free upgrade to WM5 for the C550.


GD&R

[awarner]

Confucious, on Oct 5 2005, 09:49, said:

Surely this won't be a problem when O release a free upgrade to WM5 for the C550.

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[pd.ryder]

Oh - my aching sides -      

[davejerome]

a free upgrade - yeah right! Will they send an orange phone trainer round to install it aswell? :-)

[Pondrew]

davejerome, on Oct 5 2005, 14:20, said:

a free upgrade - yeah right! Will they send an orange phone trainer round to install it aswell? :-)

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  Oh God, I hope not. Then we'd have to talk them through it

[kurtfhouse]

Pondrew, on Oct 5 2005, 14:01, said:

  Oh God, I hope not. Then we'd have to talk them through it

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        Thats funny................beacuse its true

Edited by kurtfhouse, 05 October 2005 - 02:58 PM.

[roma0803]

So is it correct to say there's hardly any software available for a QVGA Smartphone? I ordered an i-mate SP5m recently so am curious about what works and what doesn't work. Apart from the fact that my i-mate will be a WM5 phone...

[defect]

James, on Oct 3 2005, 18:23, said:

I love my C550... and i have tomtom working fine, except a little bit of funny text. me and ash (awarner) just had to mess around with the reg for an hour or so :/

such a shame about all the other apps that dont work properly

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I have mine 550 for a few months now and I'm quite dissapointed. I totally agree with TS.

Very few apps run normal on the phone, every app I run crashes often and the fact that I should 'downgrade' the phone to run TT5 just doesn't make sense. Why did I bought a QVGA in the first place then?

[TigerNet]

...I have to say that before my K-Jam arrived, I had gone back to the QTEK 8100 from the C550...

Cheers
Nick

[davejerome]

I was just wondering as somebody mentioned an upgrade for the C550, was it originally designed for WM5 then? As it has a QVGA screen and a silly ammount of memory?

Or is it just built by HTC as a WM5 compatible device?

Anybody know that one?

[PPCPassion]

davejerome, on Oct 6 2005, 15:47, said:

I was just wondering as somebody mentioned an upgrade for the C550, was it originally designed for WM5 then? As it has a QVGA screen and a silly ammount of memory?

Or is it just built by HTC as a WM5 compatible device?

Anybody know that one?

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I hope I am wrong but I very much doubt that WM5 upgrade will be offered by Orange since SPV C600 with WM5 is ready to be launched. I personally would not like to install WM5 for one main reason-Memory. Starting with WM5, all the programs can ONLY be loaded/installed in ROM. RAM will be strictly for running the program. Most of the devices will have more rom (128mb atleast) to accomodate more installable programs. With C550, considering 64MB ROM, after installing OS, you won't have much space left to install the programs unless of course you install them on Mini SD card. As you know, some programs have to be installed in the phone's memory that could be a disadvantage if you have limited space to begin with. Just my 2 cents.

[Pondrew]

PPCPassion, on Oct 6 2005, 16:41, said:

I hope I am wrong but I very much doubt that WM5 upgrade will be offered by Orange since SPV C600 with WM5 is ready to be launched. I personally would not like to install WM5 for one main reason-Memory. Starting with WM5, all the programs can ONLY be loaded/installed in ROM. RAM will be strictly for running the program. Most of the devices will have more rom (128mb atleast) to accomodate more installable programs. With C550, considering 64MB ROM, after installing OS, you won't have much space left to install the programs unless of course you install them on Mini SD card. As you know, some programs have to be installed in the phone's memory that could be a disadvantage if you have limited space to begin with. Just my 2 cents.

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Good explanation. Had been wondering how the memory worked in WM5 to justify the doubling of ROM seen in upcoming Pocket PC Phone devices...

[PPCPassion]

Pondrew, on Oct 6 2005, 22:49, said:

Good explanation. Had been wondering how the memory worked in WM5 to justify the doubling of ROM seen in upcoming Pocket PC Phone devices...

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Thanks Pondrew for your kind words. Sometime we all (including myself) rush to get the "newer and updated" version without first trying to figure it if it would work on our device. I truly believe in saying," Newer is not always better"

[mcwarre]

PPCPassion, on Oct 7 2005, 17:24, said:

" Newer is not always better"

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It's invariably more expensive though :exclaim:

[tw]

PPCPassion, on Oct 6 2005, 16:41, said:

I personally would not like to install WM5 for one main reason-Memory. Starting with WM5, all the programs can ONLY be loaded/installed in ROM. RAM will be strictly for running the program. Most of the devices will have more rom (128mb atleast) to accomodate more installable programs. With C550, considering 64MB ROM, after installing OS, you won't have much space left to install the programs unless of course you install them on Mini SD card. As you know, some programs have to be installed in the phone's memory that could be a disadvantage if you have limited space to begin with. Just my 2 cents.

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What you describe is only new for PPCs. On the Smartphone all programs are always installed in ROM and not RAM (since Smartphone 2002). With WM5 the PPC platform got the same memory configuration the Smartphone platform always had.

Edited by tw, 17 October 2005 - 01:43 AM.

[PPCPassion]

tw, on Oct 17 2005, 06:41, said:

What you describe is only new for PPCs. On the Smartphone all programs are always installed in ROM and not RAM (since Smartphone 2002). With WM5 the PPC platform got the same memory configuration the Smartphone platform always had.

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Correct. However, in PPC, regardless of RAM, you have an option to allocate amt of memory to run programs and to store date. In SP that option is not there. First of all I am not sure if SP has been storing data in ROM, if that was the case, why would all the programs get deleted (during hard reset)that were installed in the internal memory? Also, have you noticed the amt of available memory to run programs changes when you install any progrms to internal memory? What I know and have read, MS OS (until 2003 SE atleast) automatically adjust the memory for "optimal" stability of the device. This may change with WM5. I don't have WM5 device, so can't be 100% sure.

[PaulOBrien]

The option you describe on PPC has disappeared in Windows Mobile 5!

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[tw]

PPCPassion, on Oct 17 2005, 16:41, said:

Correct. However, in PPC, regardless of RAM, you have an option to allocate amt of memory to run programs and to store date.

That was before WM5. In WM5 you cannot control it anylonger.

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In SP that option is not there.

Yes, as I said the SP platform had always the memory config the PPC platform got with WM5 now.

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First of all I am not sure if SP has been storing data in ROM, if that was the case, why would all the programs get deleted (during hard reset)that were installed in the internal memory?

Because the hardreset procedure deletes the flash ROM on SP. BTW, the same happens now with WM5 on the PPC.

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Also, have you noticed the amt of available memory to run programs changes when you install any progrms to internal memory? What I know and have read, MS OS (until 2003 SE atleast) automatically adjust the memory for "optimal" stability of the device.

As I wrote the automatically memory adjustment existed only on the PPC until 2003SE. On SP you install your programs always in the \Storage folder and \Storage is in flash.

If you still do not believe me you can either read the MSDN developer documentation or you can take out the battery of your SP for a day. If you plug it back in all your data and installed programm still will be there --> because it is in Flash.

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This may change with WM5. I don't have WM5 device, so can't be 100% sure.

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I have WM5 PPC and SP devices and the PPC now has the same memory config the SP always had though there is no \Storage folder.

Edited by tw, 17 October 2005 - 04:31 PM.

[MiG:uK]

tbh, the c550 is a great phone, and its always been a while before developers can utilise the new feautres of phones.

the QVGA screen plays videos that are immense quality, and tbh i love the way the device is for the cheap price of £150.

i got a decent, skinnable interface and a good media player. i can also play gb roms, and a lot of other things.

yer so wat, its a bit smaller on the screen, but once the QVGA screen is  utilised, its gonna be sweet.

WM5 is gonna be like vista to xp, a GUI upgrade and a few extras.

it wont stop the QVGA software from looking good.

Edited by MiG:uK, 17 October 2005 - 04:21 PM.

[davejerome]

MiG:uK, on Oct 17 2005, 16:18, said:

WM5 is gonna be like vista to xp, a GUI upgrade and a few extras.

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Surely vista will be more than that. I heard it was heavily built around security.... ...give  it 48 hours till cracks appear.