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[Zone-MR]

The 486 SX/DX analogy does not hold up.

Firstly, in the case of the 486 chips, since the silicon size required for the DX chips was not significantly larger, the costs associated with the added functionallity were negligable. By offering a lower-class CPU with the extra functionallity intentionally disabled, Intel could scrounge some cash from people who couldn't afford the full-blown DX chip.

In the case of the C600, adding a wi-fi radio and antenna cannot be done at almost no cost. Unlike the 486, the extra modules are not fully integrated into other chips. Even if HTC/Orange didn't want to create a seperate design for tornado variants without Wi-Fi, they could have simply not soldered in the unneccessary components. Also, since Orange does not offer a higher-end C600 equivelant WITH wi-fi, it makes no sense whatsoever from a marketting perspective to disable a module which could be enabled free-of-charge - it simply drives people who need Wi-Fi to buy competing phones such as the SP5 or 8310.

Face it - the C600 does not have a Wi-Fi module. Either that, or Orange engineers and marketting guys are totally incompetent.

Edited by Zone-MR, 28 December 2005 - 12:16 AM.

[shadamehr]

Hear hear to the last post - makes perfect sense to me, yup.

[Kallisti]

Zone-MR, on Dec 28 2005, 00:14, said:

Face it - the C600 does not have a Wi-Fi module. Either that, or Orange engineers and marketting guys are totally incompetent.

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What do you mean "or"?

[iwilliams]

Zone-MR, on Dec 28 2005, 00:14, said:

The 486 SX/DX analogy does not hold up.

Firstly, in the case of the 486 chips, since the silicon size required for the DX chips was not significantly larger, the costs associated with the added functionallity were negligable. By offering a lower-class CPU with the extra functionallity intentionally disabled, Intel could scrounge some cash from people who couldn't afford the full-blown DX chip.

In the case of the C600, adding a wi-fi radio and antenna cannot be done at almost no cost. Unlike the 486, the extra modules are not fully integrated into other chips. Even if HTC/Orange didn't want to create a seperate design for tornado variants without Wi-Fi, they could have simply not soldered in the unneccessary components. Also, since Orange does not offer a higher-end C600 equivelant WITH wi-fi, it makes no sense whatsoever from a marketting perspective to disable a module which could be enabled free-of-charge - it simply drives people who need Wi-Fi to buy competing phones such as the SP5 or 8310.

Face it - the C600 does not have a Wi-Fi module. Either that, or Orange engineers and marketting guys are totally incompetent.

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Your missing the point of my post.
I agree with what your saying and I wouldnt think the wifi module was in the C600

But nobody has answered the question ....has anyone compared the 2 phones to see if the hardware is missing???

The intel analogy wasnt about cost and how wifi costs more than a chip, just the fact manufactors do crazy things somethimes when based on cost or marketing

[Tech]

*sigh*

firstly, the 486 has nothing to do with the C600 - i know its an example used but i can also confirm that the SX/DX did not have the "oh, lets disable that feature for marketing purposes" scenario.

C600 does NOT have wifi built in hardware, the update may work but it wont make a non existant hardware exist!

Everyone is saying C600 does not have wifi, and i agree and have asked hence why most of the ppl bought a SP5m as it has everything a C600 has plus wifi and more.

I have phoned up orange and they say that there is no wifi on C600.

try it, see what happens.

from the experts I spoke to from colleagues and mates who have a C600 - there is no wifi - they have said it and i have had a look too!

not only this, if they say to us that oh there is no wifi then later they say "ah yes, there is" - not only do they not know what the hell they are talking about, but it is against the law to sell a product that does not have what they stated!

Edited by Tech, 28 December 2005 - 05:34 PM.

[rsearley]

Tech, on Dec 28 2005, 17:33, said:

*sigh*

firstly, the 486 has nothing to do with the C600 - i know its an example used but i can also confirm that the SX/DX did not have the "oh, lets disable that feature for marketing purposes" scenario.

C600 does NOT have wifi built in hardware, the update may work but it wont make a non existant hardware exist!

Everyone is saying C600 does not have wifi, and i agree and have asked hence why most of the ppl bought a SP5m as it has everything a C600 has plus wifi and more.

I have phoned up orange and they say that there is no wifi on C600.

try it, see what happens.

from the experts I spoke to from colleagues and mates who have a C600 - there is no wifi - they have said it and i have had a look too!

not only this, if they say to us that oh there is no wifi then later they say "ah yes, there is" - not only do they not know what the hell they are talking about, but it is against the law to sell a product that does not have what they stated!

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I dont want to fuel this fire too much, cos i dont care as i have a SP5m  am happy with it, and that is the way it will stay

But i do remember a case not too long ago, with THREE and the A920  marketed WITHOUT IR or Bluetooth, and i made several phonecalls to the saying the hardware was in place, and they said no,  but after in stalling a hacked rom bluetooth and ir were both active and functioning, in this case it could have been that three did not want to offer support on IR or bluetooth..  after about 6 months three started to offer rom upgrades to support BT and ir



Like i say, i am just using this as an example of a newtwork, having a device with all the hardware in place then deciding to have it disabled via the OS for whatever motive

I firmly beleive the C600 does NOT have the hardware, and soon when my contact is up, i may get one just to take apart and look!   but on the other hand i would not be totaly surprised to see a updare become available!

[guidud]

rsearley, on Dec 28 2005, 22:11, said:

I firmly beleive the C600 does NOT have the hardware, and soon when my contact is up, i may get one just to take apart and look!   but on the other hand i would not be totaly surprised to see a updare become available!

I've you seen if it has wifi hardware?

[rafyvitto]

guidud, on Jan 21 2008, 21:39, said:

I've you seen if it has wifi hardware?

check this post i made in xda developers hXXp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359913&highlight=wifi+mod cleary you will see in the photos that there is no wifi bgas on the htc 2125