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[MARKUKCOUK]

The Register said:

T-Mobile UK's 'super 3G' high-speed download service will go live on 1 August, the carrier said today. And it pledged to triple the network's performance next year ahead of hitting a whopping 20Mbps by 2011.

Initially, HSPDA technology will provide download speeds of up to 1.8Mbps, though T-Mobile admitted real-world performance is more likely to be around 1Mbps - still rather faster than regular 3G download speeds. The theoretical maximum will rise to 3.6Mbps in 2007, the carrier said, then to 7.2Mbps and 10Mbps in 2008/2009.

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Blatant Rumour Time:  Vario II to launch with service?

An excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on HSDPA (full text here)...

Wikipedia said:

High-Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) is a new mobile telephony protocol and is sometimes referred to as a 3.5G (or "3½G") technology. In this respect it extends WCDMA in the same way that EV-DO extends CDMA2000. HSDPA provides a smooth evolutionary path for Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) networks allowing for higher data capacity (up to 14.4 Mbit/s in the downlink). It is an evolution of the W-CDMA standard, designed to increase the available data rate by a factor of 5 or more. HSDPA defines a new W-CDMA channel, the high-speed downlink shared channel (HS-DSCH) that operates in a different way from existing W-CDMA channels, but is only used for downlink communication to the mobile.

[nevawlkalone]

MARKUKCOUK, on Jun 21 2006, 13:28, said:

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Blatent Rumour Time:  Vario II to launch with service?

It would make sense wouldnt it...also give reason to it being pushed back from may

[Pondrew]

Sounds likely to me, but of course we'll have to wait and see...  

HSDPA certainly makes the Vario II more appealing.

[nevawlkalone]

Pondrew, on Jun 21 2006, 13:46, said:

HSDPA certainly makes the Vario II more appealing.

Not that it needs any more appeal lol

[briguy]

Ah, it's news like this that makes me wish I lived in the UK!  

... still plugging along with EDGE...

[The Doctor]

briguy, on Jun 21 2006, 15:03, said:

Ah, it's news like this that makes me wish I lived in the UK!  

... still plugging along with EDGE...

Your complaining about edge? i've still only got drip drip gprs   will definately be getting a vario ii though

so its 7.50 WnW without hsdpa but 17 with and at an introductory price? :S confusing!

phil

[Saif]

briguy, on Jun 21 2006, 15:03, said:

Ah, it's news like this that makes me wish I lived in the UK!  

... still plugging along with EDGE...

can I hold out for a couple more months... that is the question!

Though Orange will match the flext tarrifs they don't know what to do about the data!...

if only there were some solid dates for the handsets too... that would swing my decision... really could do with a better voice tarrif.

heres hoping.

[Syphon Filter]

Ok all well and good. Now get the bloody hermes out!!

And just to clear one thing up.

The £7.50 WnW lets you use GPRS AND 3G right?

If you want to use the faster HSDPA service you have to upgrade to the £17 a month tariff.

Is that correct?

Edited by Syphon Filter, 21 June 2006 - 03:29 PM.

[shenson]

Syphon Filter, on Jun 21 2006, 16:27, said:

The £7.50 WnW lets you use GPRS AND 3G right?

If you want to use the faster HSDPA service you have to upgrade to the £17 a month tariff.

Is that correct?

There seems to be the usual WnW Pro and Pro bundle confusion. AFAIK WnW Pro bundle (£10 inc VAT) includes HSPDA while WnW Pro is a contract which includes the laptop card along with the WnW Pro bundle for £17.

A bit ominous that the £17 is described as an introductory rate.

Oh and the related stories links on The Register you'll see a report saying Vodafone are the first with HSPDA laptop cards date 20th June and just a bit below it the 9th May T-mobile HSPDA card story. Maybe they don't read their own stories?

[sporkguy]

jm012a9749, on Jun 21 2006, 16:00, said:

Your complaining about edge? i've still only got drip drip gprs   will definately be getting a vario ii though

so its 7.50 WnW without hsdpa but 17 with and at an introductory price? :S confusing!

phil

Come and see me in the Bullring

[Monolithix]

HSDPA is going to rock, it'll be interesting to see how well it performs in real life conditions!

As for the rumour mill, i'd love to see the Vario II launch accompanying the TMob HSDPA launch

[MARKUKCOUK]

sporkguy, on Jun 21 2006, 18:14, said:

Come and see me in the Bullring

Could you not just tell us.

I had this back from tmobile...

Quote

Hello Mark
Thanks for your email regarding our Web & Walk.
The first point is that there are two separate plans :
Flext 35 + Web & Walk £42.50 (18 month contract).
Web & Walk Prof Flext 35 £46.00 (24 month contract).

Confused.  and although Bullring is supercool... I'm a bit far away

[Syphon Filter]

shenson, on Jun 21 2006, 17:53, said:

There seems to be the usual WnW Pro and Pro bundle confusion. AFAIK WnW Pro bundle (£10 inc VAT) includes HSPDA while WnW Pro is a contract which includes the laptop card along with the WnW Pro bundle for £17.

So wait, let me get this straight...I will be able to use a Vario II on the HSDPA service...on the WnW £7.50 plan for mobile surfing, email etc...just general light usage stuff on a PPC.



BUT if I want to use a datacard (ie for laptop use etc) then I would need to move onto the WnW Pro £17 plan.

Is that right?

[shenson]

Syphon Filter, on Jun 21 2006, 23:37, said:

So wait, let me get this straight...I will be able to use a Vario II on the HSDPA service...on the WnW £7.50 plan for mobile surfing, email etc...just general light usage stuff on a PPC.
BUT if I want to use a datacard (ie for laptop use etc) then I would need to move onto the WnW Pro £17 plan.

Is that right?

Well you could do that but it may not be the cheapest: it depends on what T-mobile will be offering. That Register article seems seriously confused then again T-mobile website isn't very clear either.

There are two bundles which can be added to a pay monthly tariff.

WnW (aka WnW consumer) T&Cs allow internet use form a handset. They ban modem use (e.g. laptop) and various other things. It is £7.50 including VAT. 3G allowed but 64kbps upload, 384 download. Probably can't have HSPDA either.

WnW Pro bundle allows modem use and has less restrictions but is £10 a month including VAT on top of a pay monthly taridd. It is 384 kbps upload and download and will be usable with HSPDA too.

Some pay monthly deals have WnW consumer included and people have had problems changing that to WnW Pro because I suppose it is effectively changing the tariff.

There may also be some WnW Pro deals including a regular tariff.

So depending on whats around if you have a Vario II with WnW Pro included in the taridd you could get internet access either from the handset or using it as a modem from a laptop.

If you just want a HSPDA data card then the WnW Pro package (confusing name) is £17 a month which is the WnW Pro bundle plus some subsidy charge so they can give away a data card.

[Syphon Filter]

I see...still a little confused to be honest. I dont want a datacard. I would just like a reasonable speed on the Vario II when I get it. The issue is, it sounds like they are going to make it all nice and easy for new users, as usual. But I am already on a T-Mobile contract which is only a few months old at most.

Flext 35 + WnW (with 25% off) and I have a Vario. Now if I buy an offline device (say the HTC TyTN). I would obviously want to use that on my T-Mobile contract to allow me access to 3G at the very least. Surely they cant tell me:

"No you cant change your tariff to allow you access to our shiney new services" can they?

I would hope that the consumer tariff does allow HSDPA access. If not then at the very least I would expect them to adjust my tariff/contract so that I then have Flext 35 + WnW (with access to HSDPA) and still allow me to keep the 25% off for life. But I highly doubt it for some reason!

Could do with some real clarification from T-Mobile on this. I might give them a call later and see what they say. Will keep you informed if I find out anything interesting.

[nevawlkalone]

Syphon Filter, on Jun 22 2006, 08:27, said:

Could do with some real clarification from T-Mobile on this. I might give them a call later and see what they say. Will keep you informed if I find out anything interesting.

good luck with that lol...they dont seem to know much about their own tarrifs anyways.  Hope it goes well as it baffles me to...

See thread

[Dr Who]

Syphon Filter, on Jun 22 2006, 08:27, said:

I see...still a little confused to be honest. I dont want a datacard. I would just like a reasonable speed on the Vario II when I get it. The issue is, it sounds like they are going to make it all nice and easy for new users, as usual. But I am already on a T-Mobile contract which is only a few months old at most.

Flext 35 + WnW (with 25% off) and I have a Vario. Now if I buy an offline device (say the HTC TyTN). I would obviously want to use that on my T-Mobile contract to allow me access to 3G at the very least. Surely they cant tell me:

"No you cant change your tariff to allow you access to our shiney new services" can they?

I would hope that the consumer tariff does allow HSDPA access. If not then at the very least I would expect them to adjust my tariff/contract so that I then have Flext 35 + WnW (with access to HSDPA) and still allow me to keep the 25% off for life. But I highly doubt it for some reason!

Could do with some real clarification from T-Mobile on this. I might give them a call later and see what they say. Will keep you informed if I find out anything interesting.

You are on the £7.50 WandW 'addon' to a FlexT tariff right? This doesn't include HSDPA by the sounds of it. All you need to do is upgrade to the £10 WandW pro 'addon' which will include HSDPA.  AFAIK its not part of your FlexT contract, it is on top, so it shouldn't affect your 25% off. The only difference you will see is that your bill will be £2.50 more a month.

[sporkguy]

MARKUKCOUK, on Jun 21 2006, 23:29, said:

Could you not just tell us.

I had this back from tmobile...
Confused.  and although Bullring is supercool... I'm a bit far away

What I meant was, I don't work there yet - but come and see me in August and I can sort it out.

[Syphon Filter]

Dr Who, on Jun 22 2006, 12:52, said:

You are on the £7.50 WandW 'addon' to a FlexT tariff right? This doesn't include HSDPA by the sounds of it. All you need to do is upgrade to the £10 WandW pro 'addon' which will include HSDPA.  AFAIK its not part of your FlexT contract, it is on top, so it shouldn't affect your 25% off. The only difference you will see is that your bill will be £2.50 more a month.

See, i'm not so sure. Because the WnW is part of my contract/tariff as i get 25% off that too. Just about to call T, will post with what they have to say about it.

EDIT:

I cant get through to T at the moment. I go through the options (tried a few combinations) and get the music ("Just another blade for grass..." etc). Then I get the T woman saying "Unfortunately we are unable to connect your call, please try again" or something along those lines.

Edited by Syphon Filter, 22 June 2006 - 12:29 PM.

[Dr Who]

Syphon Filter, on Jun 22 2006, 13:19, said:

See, i'm not so sure. Because the WnW is part of my contract/tariff as i get 25% off that too. Just about to call T, will post with what they have to say about it.

I see your problem. Hopefully the 25% off the WnW was applied because you took it out at the same time and therefore you can move that, losing the 25% discount off that, but keep 25% on the rest.