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http://forum.xda-dev...ad.php?t=294142

No surprise there really. I think the Crossbow leaks were the nail in the coffin of that one, and they were lucky to get away with it for so long. Of course, chances are it'll just mean ROMs switching to torrents instead I imagine...

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Often wondered how it wasn't closed down long ago.

Shame though :)

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Just quoting what Helmi_C posted. If you like your Custom ROMs and want more, more upgrades, more development........than PLEASE sign this petition to help save XDA and all others. So that we may be able to post our Customs so that the masses can download. Thanks for the help and support!
~Mike

To: Microsoft

This Petition aims to show the support for xda-developers.com's archive of 'ROM Images'

The Undersigned wish to notify Microsoft Corp. of their strong feelings against the recent demands to remove the 'ROM Images'. We feel that they bring more publicity and support to the 'Windows Mobile' platform and device: without this we feel they would not be as popular as they are to this date.

Please think rationally Microsoft!

Sincerely,

The Undersigned


please go here for the petition:
http://www.petitiono...s/petition.html

Please support our forum, hopes there's a sollution for this M$ stupid act...


Paul, could you please make this a sticky, or pin it across the boards just for the next few days so we can get as many signatures on it as possible? I and a lot of other people would really appreciate it. Thanks,
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It's not that I don't support the cause, but I am 100% certain it's a losing battle.

Now that this is out in the public eye, there's absolutely no way MS can back down, for their own reasons or due to their partners.

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well microsoft recently sent a letter to XDA-Dev to remove all the roms official and unofficial from their forum

which is making us hell there as we all think of this as injust as we all paid for our software and updates when we purchased our phones and are entitled to fix and upgrade them to the way we see fit

what do u think of this?

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well microsoft recently sent a letter to XDA-Dev to remove all the roms official and unofficial from their forum

which is making us hell there as we all think of this as injust as we all paid for our software and updates when we purchased our phones and are entitled to fix and upgrade them to the way we see fit

what do u think of this?


You can see where microsoft is coming from but IMHO theyve completely blown it out of proportion, the rom archive was an invaluable resource to everybody, not just the developers, but also consumers looking to get more from their phones.

I have signed the web petition to KEEP the ROM archive as I have used it many times in the past as a source of hard to find updates for various devices I have lying around, also the work do over there, some of it is brilliant such as pof's free hermes unlocker, the 'virtual' bootloader facility that saves you having to actually flash your own test bootloader, and also the up and coming GPS/Hermes/Breeze/Trinity GPS development.

All in all a great loss and I think there will be more than some VERY unhappy users

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Edited by The Doctor, 19 February 2007 - 12:04 AM.

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It's not that I don't support the cause, but I am 100% certain it's a losing battle.

Now that this is out in the public eye, there's absolutely no way MS can back down, for their own reasons or due to their partners.

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XDA-Developers have the backing of 3600+ signatures now :D

I'm standing there proudly at number 555 :)

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I see where Microsoft are coming from and I bet they get a lot of complaints from Operators about having to support other ROMS

But.....

If XDA-devs wasnt there I would and I think many other people would have switched to other types of phones by now, as standard WM2003 and WM5 devices are buggy as hell.

I have been using these devices from the start with the very first SPV and have stayed with them because of the people in these communities, whats next Microsoft you gonna stop freeware applications and kill off your business all together.


ROM images dont stop people buying phones...........

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I see where Microsoft are coming from and I bet they get a lot of complaints from Operators about having to support other ROMS

But.....

If XDA-devs wasn't there I would and I think many other people would have switched to other types of phones by now, as standard WM2003 and WM5 devices are buggy as hell.

I have been using these devices from the start with the very first SPV and have stayed with them because of the people in these communities, whats next Microsoft you gonna stop free ware applications and kill off your business all together.
ROM images don't stop people buying phones...........


well i'm definitely going to switch there is no use having WM phone if i can't fix its bug or develop on it as i see fit i paid for the software as well as the hardware and all the phone manufacturers will not update our devices with latest softwares available for example I have an I-mate JasJar for a while now and the last update on it from i-mate was about a year ago then they stopped comon if i haven't found a decent rom on xda-dev i would have thrown the device to the trash long time ago its my passion to modify things i learned a lot there

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I didn't know about this- have just nipped over there to get crossbow for my Exec which is away for repair.
There are some very knowledgeable people there and they share - typical big brother approach whicj IMHO can only harm the smartphone/ppc market

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I didn't know about this- have just nipped over there to get crossbow for my Exec which is away for repair.
There are some very knowledgeable people there and they share - typical big brother approach whicj IMHO can only harm the smartphone/ppc market


The key word in there being SHARE Microsoft :)
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Do you honestly think it will do any good tho?

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I didn't know about this- have just nipped over there to get crossbow for my Exec which is away for repair.

Nice tho that may be, you're using illegal software Confucious...

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Think myself its bad news as at least the roms were in one place , now they feature on pirate web forums where software developers will be hit the biggest as its not only roms but software as well , it wont take long for people to find the sites a bad move , if it was only the wm6 roms then i can understand microsofts action for just those to be removed but all is stupid , nokias are looking better now ( n73 ) is it time to switch :)

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I think the whole root of problem is extreme closeness of WM hardware and OS.

So people seek for desperate measures to upgrade their (still perfectly capable) hardware to new OS without buing the new devices.

I think if MS would *sell* new WM versions or operators will sell upgrades for a new devices, many people will happily buy them, and "custom ROM" scene will be almost not needed.

But instead of that, they prefer to going the way of increasing restrictions while keeping it as static and unchanging as possible.

p.s. Nokias are no better. Actually they even little more closed and unfriendly in terms of OS, firmware and upgrades.

Edited by Ingvarr, 19 February 2007 - 10:39 AM.

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As has been said before, the majority of devices are supplied by the networks. They have to support the devices. It is impossible for them to do so if the devices' OS's can be freely changed by anyone.

Having said that I don't agree with MS's approach...

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As has been said before, the majority of devices are supplied by the networks. They have to support the devices. It is impossible for them to do so if the devices' OS's can be freely changed by anyone.

Huh?
And how its not impossible, say, for suppliers of notebooks to support the devices?
After all, their OS too can be "freely changed by anyone".

How its not impossible for suppliers of ordinary PCs?

Dont fall to their excuses.

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Huh?
And how its not impossible, say, for suppliers of notebooks to support the devices?
After all, their OS too can be "freely changed by anyone".

How its not impossible for suppliers of ordinary PCs?

Dont fall to their excuses.



People do not ring laptop suppliers with the same frequency that smartphone users call O or T etc for technical support when their phone goes wrong.

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Nice tho that may be, you're using illegal software Confucious...

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I know.
I do my best to remain legal And any software I use on anything like a regular basis I have legal, paid for copies of. But in this case you can't get a legal version.
When I first started messing with computers I use to have to get illegal copies of software so I could see what it did to get my company to buy it - until they realised that whenever i recomended s/ware it improved efficiance and/or saved them money when they gave me carte blanche to go and buy any s/ware I wanted for testing purposes. Software hoses sold a lot of software they otherwise wouldn't have done had I not used pirated software and I guess I still have that mentality - I know it's illegal and I should probabl;y be sent to prison for life for it but hey! :)

As for the tech suport question - anyone who's using the "wrong" ROM know's what they are doing and shouldn't be calling tech suport!

Just my opinion - feel free to flame :D

BTW I fully support Modaco's stance on illegal software.

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People do not ring laptop suppliers with the same frequency that smartphone users call O or T etc for technical support when their phone goes wrong.

Of course. And know why is that?
Because they ring right to software support, not to hardware support that have little to do with software anyway.
Its like you will be bugging your ISP support if something wrong with your office software.

But in WM world its considered perfectly normal when something go wrong with OS, you ring your cell phone operator, they pass your issue to device manufacturer, and, finally, manufacturer passes it to MS, which actually can do something about it. Then resolution it goes other way. Talk about "effectiveness".

Btw, have you even wondered why there are a lot more problems with complex embedded devices? Because some vital programming (adapting OS to particular hardware, drivers etc) currently must be done by hardware engineers - they brilliant with chips and oscilloscopes, but they absolutely horrible programmers. Anybody who seen enough share of actual embedded code, this is absolute truth (no wonder it usually closed very tightly, not to guard any "trade secrets" as you can guess, but mostly to avoid embarassment :) ).

Edited by Ingvarr, 19 February 2007 - 02:59 PM.

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