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[moonshot]

chucky.egg, on Apr 1 2007, 07:41, said:

The review is fine. It mentions the weight (Not that you can do anything about that anyway) and says that the reviewer doesn't think it's an issue.

If you disagree then perhaps this isn't the phone for you, but to say the reviewer is wrong about the issue is highly subjective and clearly not based on experience of this device.

I did not say the reviewer is wrong about the issue, I said the review was not very good. If it was Paul's personal thoughts about the Vox then I will retract what I said. But it was called a review and to say I'll ignore those who claim 140g is too heavy (it's not in my experience), is excluding, I would think, many of us who do want a light smartphone.

You could use this sentiment for any feature of a mobile being reviewed. For example............I'll ignore those who claim that a 2 mp camera is poor by today’s standards because I don't use a camera.

[PaulOBrien]

Any review is a reviewers personal perspective on a device is it not? I told you the device is 140g and that I didn't think it was too heavy (making quite clear that was my opinion), what else would you expect from a review?

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[tautegu]

what are the benefits of having 3G?  The Htc Wings has 3G but will i be able to use my orange sim on this.  (this might be a very stupid question).
The Vox is very impressive and the 140g wouldn't really bother me for a device that is only slightly larger than the c500.  i might wait for the Wings though

on pdadb.net the spec says that the d pad is 5 way.  the review indicates that the dpad can go diagonally so wouldnt this make the dpad 9 way?

Edited by tautegu, 01 April 2007 - 05:28 PM.

[PaulOBrien]

3G = faster data and video calling.

The directional pad on the unit I had did diagonals, so yes, 9 way.

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[moonshot]

Paul (MVP), on Apr 1 2007, 17:23, said:

Any review is a reviewers personal perspective on a device is it not? I told you the device is 140g and that I didn't think it was too heavy (making quite clear that was my opinion), what else would you expect from a review?

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A treo @178 grams is also not to heavy for some people. But the idea of a smartphone is to have a normal phone that is smart.............either with windows5/6 or symbiam included. Most normal phones (without windows5/6 or symbiam) are now quite light and the smartphones should reflect this. As the c600 etc. has done.

Just because some people are happy to carry a 140 gram plus phone should not detract from the 'what constitutes a smartphone' debate.  What market is the Vox aimed at? Many members here state that they will wait for the 'Wings', because it is lighter, but not as light as first thought. 120 grams not 110. If they made a not qwerty keypad version at least that would be something. A review should reflect this and if marks were given then some should be deducted from the Vox score because it is not a true smartphone.

[Dster]

moonshot, on Apr 1 2007, 23:28, said:

...it is not a true smartphone.

I'm a little confused as to why this point keeps coming up.

M$ has two distinct versions of their mobile operating systems, one with touchscreen, one without. The latter was officially named, until WM6, the "smartphone" edition. Another significant difference is the dependence of the smartphone version OS on the two soft keys.

This phone has no touchscreen, and runs the smartphone version ("standard" in WM6-speak). That's how I define smartphone. Is there some other, subjective definition out there? Also, when slid closed, it looks like a phone. That is, incidentally, a big selling point. I don't want to be in the club and pull something out that looks like some sort of nerdy device.

Anyways, thanks Paul for the review, it's made me even more excited for the arrival of my Vox -- current ETA last week of April.

Edited by Dster, 02 April 2007 - 02:43 AM.

[Griff_FFOC]

Nice review.

If the device s keypad locked (which i'm presuming it has) will opening the keyboard unlock it?
(you mention it wakes it up, but not anything about unlocking)

Cheers.

[nuttyphilt]

Does the Vox have coloured LEDs to indicated missed calls, or messages?  One of the annoying things about the C600 is you have to look at the screen to see if you've got any alerts....

[PaulOBrien]

moonshot, on Apr 2 2007, 00:28, said:

A treo @178 grams is also not to heavy for some people. But the idea of a smartphone is to have a normal phone that is smart.............either with windows5/6 or symbiam included. Most normal phones (without windows5/6 or symbiam) are now quite light and the smartphones should reflect this. As the c600 etc. has done.

Just because some people are happy to carry a 140 gram plus phone should not detract from the 'what constitutes a smartphone' debate.  What market is the Vox aimed at? Many members here state that they will wait for the 'Wings', because it is lighter, but not as light as first thought. 120 grams not 110. If they made a not qwerty keypad version at least that would be something. A review should reflect this and if marks were given then some should be deducted from the Vox score because it is not a true smartphone.

A Treo is a Pocket PC because, er, it runs Pocket PC OS.

If people here are waiting for the wings, I strongly suspect that's due to 3G / GPS etc. rather than being 20g lighter!

The Vox IS a true Smartphone, it runs the Smartphone OS!

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[PaulOBrien]

Griff_FFOC, on Apr 2 2007, 10:38, said:

Nice review.

If the device s keypad locked (which i'm presuming it has) will opening the keyboard unlock it?
(you mention it wakes it up, but not anything about unlocking)

Cheers.

I had to return the device today pending arrival of a full production device, so I can tell you that when I get the new one!

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[PaulOBrien]

nuttyphilt, on Apr 2 2007, 10:42, said:

Does the Vox have coloured LEDs to indicated missed calls, or messages?  One of the annoying things about the C600 is you have to look at the screen to see if you've got any alerts....

There are 2 notification LEDs, not sure on whether they are used to alert to messages etc., will check when I get my production device.

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[looeee]

I think I'm glad I got an o2 graphite which is 3/4 of the weight, has 3g and a decent camera and no gimmicky keyboard nonsense

[PaulOBrien]

Yeah, the Graphite is nice and has good specs, with the exception of the fact the screen isn't a patch on the Vox's, and it's WM5 rather than 6.

My Graphite review is underway

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[RSkillz]

I actually like the "extUSB" port on my P4350 and I think I will like it just as much on the HTC VoX.

Why? Because it's a rocksolid connection and causes no pops and cracks when playing music.
I also have a 8310 with the 2.5 audio connection and well...it sucks!
whenever I connect my adapter cable and start moving the cable I hear interference in the music
currently playing... with the extUSB port this problem has been fixed.

I do agree a "industry standard" 3.5 connection would be very very nice to have embedded in the device.


Also, Paul, have you tried TCPMP on the VoX? I'm really curious about playing a full screen movie on the VoX
and the switch the screen to landscape. This is something I use ALOT with my P4350 and TCPMP can't handle it,
so I switched to the newer Coreplayer, but it's much slower.

(I did read that the slowness issue will be resolved on the next update tho)

[PaulOBrien]

Not tried it i'm afraid... will let you know when my replacement unit arrives!

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[_Nemo_]

Thank you for the review, I think this looks like a really nice bit of kit.

Just two quick questions:

1) Does the Vox work syncing content with Windows Media Player? (One of the biggest annoyances with my C550 is that this doesn't work)

2) What are the wireless security protocols the device supports for WiFi use?

Thanks.

Edited by _Nemo_, 05 April 2007 - 01:13 PM.

[PaulOBrien]

1) Yes, the C550 shoudl too tho?

2) Everything you should need I suspect... I don't have the full list to hand. However WM5 AKU3 + added WPA2 etc.

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[_Nemo_]

Paul (MVP), on Apr 5 2007, 13:22, said:

1) Yes, the C550 shoudl too tho?

It's a known issue with the c550 as far as I'm aware. Anyway, I like to listen to a lot of music/podcasts on my phone, and it's more than slightly annoying having to manually navigate folders every time to copy files over, so it's important to me that the Vox can do that.

Thanks again.

[dm.wood]

Paul (MVP), on Apr 2 2007, 10:51, said:

A Treo is a Pocket PC because, er, it runs Pocket PC OS.

If people here are waiting for the wings, I strongly suspect that's due to 3G / GPS etc. rather than being 20g lighter!

The Vox IS a true Smartphone, it runs the Smartphone OS!

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I have no desire to start flaming here but hey Moonshot .. Pauls review is Pauls review..nothing more .. I tend to agree with his thoughts on the phone and that the wings version is something that people may hold out for.

That being said rather than slate another persons review why not get off your arse and do one yourself.... instead of trying to pull someone elses to pieces?

If you have this phone then post a review if not then you are hardly in a position to critcise another persons opinion..especially if you are basing your views purely on what you have read!  

Rant over..please release the wings version soon  

[datasamm]

Thanks for the review Paul, very useful. I was looking to upgrade. I am currently using SPV C550 and it’s a great phone indeed!

I use it mainly for navigation (tomtom) and watching movies (tcpmp player).

What I like about the HTC S710 is that it got Windows Mobile 6, WIFI (at least I can put my router into more use) and most importantly the extUSB port. As the C550 gives me cracking noise if I move around when listening or watching movies, so that problem will be out of the way. Off course a 3.5 would be less of a headache (wouldn't need that extra cable). But not complaining.

I will wait to get this one, after I get a confirmation of tomtom and the tcpmp player off course (at the moment movies are saved in 320x240, so wondering how that would appear as the C550 plays very well).

I know a lot of people are complaining about the weight. For me the weight is fine, I remember my first phone. It was a brick the Nokia 1610.

But if HTC offered the same phone:

1. With Qwerty Keyboard
2. Without the Qwerty Keyboard.

For me, I would go with option 2, without the Qwerty Keyboard as I don't need it, and I don't like the fact of extra buttons stuck in between the phone and also the springs. Sign of more problems personally. But on the other hand, other people would like it.

So anyway.

I think I will wait for this phone, hopefully it will be a good upgrade too and you never know option 1 might be available.



SaMm
Nokia 1610, 8210, 8850.
SPV E100, C550.