stall is REAL, what should i do

[Guest dr_ysp]

To be honest, i am android fan, i am having galaxy s at the moment & i am in my 14day trial period,

I found out one thing S Stalls, when u really wanna want to work it fast, it takes ages,

fixes published here are all temporary, nobody want to live there lives with them, having said that hardware wise its a NO MATCH to anyone in market.

but i am really confused, this handset stalls, definitely some problem in I/O when ever u want to open a app, & contacts it stalls.

i definitely doubt that samsung is going to address this issue, at last this is there baby, they must have come across the problem in development, but they couldnt take care of it then, whats guarantee they will do it now.

so i am thinking of iphone, i know many people will say, costly, & this & that, i know specwise nophone beats galaxy s but what about this problem, everybody jumps when iphone drops signal, but nobody wanna mention this stall.

samsung not even addressing this problem!!

so please my freinds, guide me thru this dilemma!!

i dont wanna start sammy s & iphone 4 spec sheet war, i truly want to know that, Can Stall problem will be solved permantaly & honestly??

[Guest Shange]

To be honest, i am android fan, i am having galaxy s at the moment & i am in my 14day trial period,

I found out one thing S Stalls, when u really wanna want to work it fast, it takes ages,

fixes published here are all temporary, nobody want to live there lives with them, having said that hardware wise its a NO MATCH to anyone in market.

but i am really confused, this handset stalls, definitely some problem in I/O when ever u want to open a app, & contacts it stalls.

i definitely doubt that samsung is going to address this issue, at last this is there baby, they must have come across the problem in development, but they couldnt take care of it then, whats guarantee they will do it now.

so i am thinking of iphone, i know many people will say, costly, & this & that, i know specwise nophone beats galaxy s but what about this problem, everybody jumps when iphone drops signal, but nobody wanna mention this stall.

samsung not even addressing this problem!!

so please my freinds, guide me thru this dilemma!!

i dont wanna start sammy s & iphone 4 spec sheet war, i truly want to know that, Can Stall problem will be solved permantaly & honestly??

Buy iphone.

[Guest dr_ysp]

Buy iphone.

thanks for the prompt & short answer, but i am expecting some android gurus to explain that can stall issue really solved, is it because s uses internal sd card rather than flash memory for storing apps.

[Guest Unimaginative]

Buy iphone.

True. The iPhone is tailored to people who can't be bothered searching/reading places like Modaco, XDA, et al where there are myriad discussions on the issue.

[Guest Quiksilver78]

thanks for the prompt & short answer, but i am expecting some android gurus to explain that can stall issue really solved, is it because s uses internal sd card rather than flash memory for storing apps.

Seems you made up your mind about whether or not Samsung is going to fix this issue. I am with the majority here and recommend you return your Galaxy S for an iPhone.

[Guest DanWilson]

Try the Pulse. Now say nothing of your problems.

:D

[Guest ragflan]

Yes buy iPhone. It doesn't sound like you want a powerful phone but a phone that just works simply. Don't get me wrong. iPhone's hardware is powerful but (and I know some with disagree with me on this) iOS is nowhere near as powerful as Android. Everything you can know about the iPhone's OS takes about 5-10 minutes. That's the learning curve. With Android, after 2 years, I still discover hidden functions that I had no clue of.

I just know that I can't embrace iOS. The platform got some features in 2010 which my 2 year old G1 had since day 1. Hell, my G1 does everything the iPhone 4 does albeit slower and with lesser apps. You can't say the same thing about iPhone 2G/3G. Try comparing the iPhone 2G/3G to a Galaxy S or a HTC Desire.

Most Android devices aren't without faults but that's because the hardware and software is not made by the same people. But most (if not all) of these faults are fixable by the community and through updates provided. Whereas with the antenna problem, that's a hardware design flaw. It can't be fixed unless you use a case/bumper whatever. Galaxy S's faults are software related, more specifically with the file system afaik. I have a 100% confidence in Samsung releasing an update that fixes the problems you described but no confidence in Apple giving me the freedom to customise the UI (i.e. the 4x4 icon layout) or having the power of the Android OS.

And finally, if you're an Android fan you won't be considering the iPhone. I don't know a SINGLE Android fan that considers migrating to iOS because of 1 problem. Especially because Android doesn't have any 1 phone. You can choose from different manufacturers like HTC or Motorola. That's the reason why Shange just replied, 'Buy iPhone' because you already made up your mind.

Edited August 13, 2010 by ragflan

[Guest Andrew Luecke]

The biggest question is, do you like iTunes? Firstly, give iTunes a try, because if you don't like iTunes, you will NOT enjoy the iPhone experience.. Furthermore, if you actively use FLAC or Ogg's, NO iPhone. If you want to possibly use Linux in the future, NO iPhone.

If you are a coder, and don't own a mac, say no to the iPhone (because to develop for it, you need a Mac). But even if you own a mac, remember that Apple regularly removes competing applications (and even removed one which had generated over $50000 of profit, because of an Easter Egg). If you develop a good app, it is likely Apple will borrow the idea and remove your app because it competes with core functionality.

In fact, anyone technically inclined shouldn't touch the iPhone.

Only pick an iPhone if you aren't technically inclined, and want something which is limited, but works when you reside within those limits.

[Guest ragflan]

The biggest question is, do you like iTunes? Firstly, give iTunes a try, because if you don't like iTunes, you will NOT enjoy the iPhone experience.. Furthermore, if you actively use FLAC or Ogg's, NO iPhone. If you want to possibly use Linux in the future, NO iPhone.

If you are a coder, and don't own a mac, say no to the iPhone (because to develop for it, you need a Mac). But even if you own a mac, remember that Apple regularly removes competing applications (and even removed one which had generated over $50000 of profit, because of an Easter Egg). If you develop a good app, it is likely Apple will borrow the idea and remove your app because it competes with core functionality.

In fact, anyone technically inclined shouldn't touch the iPhone.

Only pick an iPhone if you aren't technically inclined, and want something which is limited, but works when you reside within those limits.

It's obvious the poster is not technically inclined. He chose to fall back onto iPhone due to the faults of one Android device instead of choosing another handset from the many available options. I think this thread was created like the whole LeBron James Decision thing where he already made up his mind and is taking an awfully long time justifying the reason for the choice.

[Guest Compuse]

from what i read, go for an iphone!

*happy with my galaxy s*

[Guest dr_ysp]

Yes buy iPhone. It doesn't sound like you want a powerful phone but a phone that just works simply. Don't get me wrong. iPhone's hardware is powerful but (and I know some with disagree with me on this) iOS is nowhere near as powerful as Android. Everything you can know about the iPhone's OS takes about 5-10 minutes. That's the learning curve. With Android, after 2 years, I still discover hidden functions that I had no clue of.

I just know that I can't embrace iOS. The platform got some features in 2010 which my 2 year old G1 had since day 1. Hell, my G1 does everything the iPhone 4 does albeit slower and with lesser apps. You can't say the same thing about iPhone 2G/3G. Try comparing the iPhone 2G/3G to a Galaxy S or a HTC Desire.

Most Android devices aren't without faults but that's because the hardware and software is not made by the same people. But most (if not all) of these faults are fixable by the community and through updates provided. Whereas with the antenna problem, that's a hardware design flaw. It can't be fixed unless you use a case/bumper whatever. Galaxy S's faults are software related, more specifically with the file system afaik. I have a 100% confidence in Samsung releasing an update that fixes the problems you described but no confidence in Apple giving me the freedom to customise the UI (i.e. the 4x4 icon layout) or having the power of the Android OS.

And finally, if you're an Android fan you won't be considering the iPhone. I don't know a SINGLE Android fan that considers migrating to iOS because of 1 problem. Especially because Android doesn't have any 1 phone. You can choose from different manufacturers like HTC or Motorola. That's the reason why Shange just replied, 'Buy iPhone' because you already made up your mind.

thanks for honest advise, i really appreciate it!!

i am owning hero before & enjoyed modding it, but got pissed of at HTC for not releasing 2.1, then got Legend, i wasnt happy with it as there was no developer support, then choice was between htc desire, nexus & galaxy s, liked galaxy cause of screen,

but now-- problem is that if i wanna quick fuctionality, its not as fluid as it should be.

& i dont like itunes, i just dont understand that.

but worry is realyy i can be happy with sammy s or not, if they can fix the lag, as i understand, only way to fix the lag is to alter the filesystem & make it like nexus's, its a easy thing, then why not do it??

desire is more fluid, but now it doesnt have front camera.

& its not gaming phone, but its more fluid than sammy s,definitely..

[Guest us1111]

I've had a LOT of smartphones with all kinds of OS'es, WinCE, Sybiam, Android.. Did a LOT of flashing with them to get them just right.. With my Galaxy S, the only thing I did was install the latest rom, one of the earlier lag fixes and I'm running that for almost 2 months now without any urge to get the phone better than it is now. It's flying and puts the 3GS of my wife to shame. I'm very happy with my GS! I don't go anywhere without it, really!

But i i were you, I would buy the iPhone.. It's the logical choice for people who don't care but just wan't to make phone calls.. And like ragflan say's, not a single cell in my brain thinks about going to IOS :D

[Guest Andrew Luecke]

I've had a LOT of smartphones with all kinds of OS'es, WinCE, Sybiam, Android.. Did a LOT of flashing with them to get them just right.. With my Galaxy S, the only thing I did was install the latest rom, one of the earlier lag fixes and I'm running that for almost 2 months now without any urge to get the phone better than it is now. It's flying and puts the 3GS of my wife to shame. I'm very happy with my GS! I don't go anywhere without it, really!

But i i were you, I would buy the iPhone.. It's the logical choice for people who don't care but just wan't to make phone calls.. And like ragflan say's, not a single cell in my brain thinks about going to IOS :D

Btw, I was showing my Samsung Galaxy S to people at work today and: "wow, this is WAY better than an iPhone". Even stuff like Swype they liked

[Guest dr_ysp]

I've had a LOT of smartphones with all kinds of OS'es, WinCE, Sybiam, Android.. Did a LOT of flashing with them to get them just right.. With my Galaxy S, the only thing I did was install the latest rom, one of the earlier lag fixes and I'm running that for almost 2 months now without any urge to get the phone better than it is now. It's flying and puts the 3GS of my wife to shame. I'm very happy with my GS! I don't go anywhere without it, really!

But i i were you, I would buy the iPhone.. It's the logical choice for people who don't care but just wan't to make phone calls.. And like ragflan say's, not a single cell in my brain thinks about going to IOS :D

wow!!

r u people hating me!!

i am just a noob trying to get most out of my money. i am asking for ur help people.

[Guest Speckles]

I have to write iPhone apps as part of my day job. No way would I ever want to touch one of those things after quiting time.

What is this lag/stall people keep talking about? My S seems to just work? All I've done is root it so far.

i am just a noob trying to get most out of my money

So you decided to choose Apple, who still charge £419 for a old-tech 8GB iPhone 3GS? :D Edited August 14, 2010 by Speckles

[Guest husq510]

To be honest, i am android fan, i am having galaxy s at the moment & i am in my 14day trial period,

I found out one thing S Stalls, when u really wanna want to work it fast, it takes ages,

fixes published here are all temporary, nobody want to live there lives with them, having said that hardware wise its a NO MATCH to anyone in market.

but i am really confused, this handset stalls, definitely some problem in I/O when ever u want to open a app, & contacts it stalls.

i definitely doubt that samsung is going to address this issue, at last this is there baby, they must have come across the problem in development, but they couldnt take care of it then, whats guarantee they will do it now.

so i am thinking of iphone, i know many people will say, costly, & this & that, i know specwise nophone beats galaxy s but what about this problem, everybody jumps when iphone drops signal, but nobody wanna mention this stall.

samsung not even addressing this problem!!

so please my freinds, guide me thru this dilemma!!

i dont wanna start sammy s & iphone 4 spec sheet war, i truly want to know that, Can Stall problem will be solved permantaly & honestly??

buy this:

[Guest DanWilson]

buy this:

Better.

Edited August 15, 2010 by DanWilson

[Guest kevwright]

I dunno, some of you lot make me laugh, you slag iPhone fanboys, then, when someone comes here and asks a question, you just take the piss out of him!

To the OP, I would say stick to the Galaxy S, spend a bit of time looking for latest firmware, and I think you will find that Samgsung, or indeed devs here will solve this issue in a future update.

I just updated my ROM to JG5, and it feels much faster, there is a bit of lag, but on my iPhone 4, now its Jailbroken, that also has a tiny bit of lag here and there.

And anyway, come on, a second or so wait every now and then, is it REALLY that much of an issue.

And some of you grouches please remember, the world does not begin and end with America, a lot of the rest of the world does not have a lot of the high end choices you guys have, and Galaxy S is about as good as it gets for now.

Kev

[Guest ragflan]

I dunno, some of you lot make me laugh, you slag iPhone fanboys, then, when someone comes here and asks a question, you just take the piss out of him!

To the OP, I would say stick to the Galaxy S, spend a bit of time looking for latest firmware, and I think you will find that Samgsung, or indeed devs here will solve this issue in a future update.

I just updated my ROM to JG5, and it feels much faster, there is a bit of lag, but on my iPhone 4, now its Jailbroken, that also has a tiny bit of lag here and there.

And anyway, come on, a second or so wait every now and then, is it REALLY that much of an issue.

And some of you grouches please remember, the world does not begin and end with America, a lot of the rest of the world does not have a lot of the high end choices you guys have, and Galaxy S is about as good as it gets for now.

Kev

Who said anything about iPhone fanboys? I was just saying that the OPs rationalisation for choosing iPhone 4 despite being an "Android fan" over the shortcomings of one Android handset is odd. Not just one handset, but one fault of the device. And I live in 'the rest of the world' and there's a good number of choices besides Galaxy S namely Desire, Nexus and even Xperia with Desire HD coming out next month. Granted, we don't have Droid X and EVO to choose from. I used the Desire before and if lag is the problem, then Desire has no such issues at all.

Finally, to the OP. The lag is real, so spend frickin' 10-15 minutes reading how to use ODIN and flash to a later firmware and apply any lagfix (which takes another 2 minutes tops if you follow the instructions step by step). Forget being a fan, if you even enjoy using Android then spend the same amount of time you took to write this post to fix the problems with the many available solutions that work instead of considering iPhone, Blackberry or even Symbian. If you're not willing to do that, then grab the iPhone.

[Guest kevwright]

Who said anything about iPhone fanboys? I was just saying that the OPs rationalisation for choosing iPhone 4 despite being an "Android fan" over the shortcomings of one Android handset is odd. Not just one handset, but one fault of the device. And I live in 'the rest of the world' and there's a good number of choices besides Galaxy S namely Desire, Nexus and even Xperia with Desire HD coming out next month. Granted, we don't have Droid X and EVO to choose from. I used the Desire before and if lag is the problem, then Desire has no such issues at all.

Finally, to the OP. The lag is real, so spend frickin' 10-15 minutes reading how to use ODIN and flash to a later firmware and apply any lagfix (which takes another 2 minutes tops if you follow the instructions step by step). Forget being a fan, if you even enjoy using Android then spend the same amount of time you took to write this post to fix the problems with the many available solutions that work instead of considering iPhone, Blackberry or even Symbian. If you're not willing to do that, then grab the iPhone.

That is kinda my point, he was not "choosing" an iPhone 4 at all, he was asking if he should, and people started being all arsey with him for no good reason.

All this "if you were a real Android fan you would not even consider iOS" is just childish nonsense surely, why can someone not be a fan of both?

Or better still, just be users of both, reserve being a "fan" of a sports team, or some Rock band or other. If we did away with this silly "fan" nonsense I think we would get more done. Oh and I totally accept that you acknowledge that above.

As for choices, coming from the iPhone, there is no other choice for me at the moment than SGS due to one simple issue, and that is, I need to use the phone outside, and all these other device owners can kid themselves all day long, but the SGS is currently the only Android I can buy that works well in sunlight.

I agree fully with your other points, and am currently wading through the threads trying to decide what ROM and lag fix to apply, I am on JG5 now and it's not too bad, but the phone simply does not fell nearly as responsive as my iPhone 4 does, and lest anyone says we should not compare, blame Samsung for the blatant rip off design -:D

Kev

[Guest DistortedLoop]

As for choices, coming from the iPhone, there is no other choice for me at the moment than SGS due to one simple issue, and that is, I need to use the phone outside, and all these other device owners can kid themselves all day long, but the SGS is currently the only Android I can buy that works well in sunlight.

I can't agree with that. Any Android that uses an LCD is useable outdoors. The EVO 4G I tried for 30 days worked as well outside as the iPhone or the SGS.

AMOLED's are a joke in sunlight, completely unusable, but LCDs have been used for years outdoors without problems.

[Guest kevwright]

I can't agree with that. Any Android that uses an LCD is useable outdoors. The EVO 4G I tried for 30 days worked as well outside as the iPhone or the SGS.

AMOLED's are a joke in sunlight, completely unusable, but LCDs have been used for years outdoors without problems.

Sorry, I should have noted, in the UK there is little choice other than AMOLED Android devices.

And to say LCD have been used outdoors without problems is stretching it a little? Sure, if they have a transflective layer, like 3GS did and several Nokia models, then yes, they are fine, but otherwise, not so great.

Kev

[Guest DLCI]

I've recently bought a 2nd hand iphone 3gs just to try it as looking for an upgrade of my omnia (perfectly working though) and here is my opinion as an iphone-rookie.

0/ the phone functionalities are ... missing. Seriously, you can't even tweak the call forwarding options or voice mailbox..sms gateway...at least not in the GUI(there are other options). I wonder sometimes what are the GSM standardization org. for and who let such a device to be called "GSM phone". Reception is quite...well, I'd actually remain silent here, as the phone has ios 4.0.1, which is known to be intentionally showing crappier reception as it actually is:)

1/ This thing is useless if it isn't jaibroken. Simple as that. Anyone, that lives with the locked IOS has no idea what a smartphone can be used for Or never needed something more than PSP & GSM.

2/ If someone says that iphone is easy to set & personalize, then most probably he/she never tried something more than moving the st***d app icons around. It took me 4 days of reading and tweaking in order to make it exactly functional as my WM omnia. Still some things are left though, but I have already an idea how to get them on board. IOS is also not that logically done as some people present it-it definitely has a learning curve.

3/ Once jailbroken, it's not a bad device - you can have a lock screen with all the appointments & weather info; you can have sort of widgets for toggling the wifi/cell data/processes/etc. stuff; you can define gestures quite OK; you can have offline maps for hiking...

4/ sshd, terminal, file system access, itunes "manual" SW install - all is possible without big issues after doing point 1/

5/ I don't think that iphone 4 deserves the price diff, compared to 3gs. I find the 3GS screen resolution OK and never used any phone cam for something serious or video recording...my opinion though-your mileage may vary! Still, even if I don't keep the 3GS, I wouldn't go for iphone 4 due to the tech. issues.

6/ the famous appstore is total crap. Full of spyware & useless stuff, difficult to search, user opinions and evaluations are filtered to the possible minimum. Don't like it at all. Luckily it's not that obligatory to be used.

So in short my opinion - no smartphone is easy to configure & setup. Some are easier, some not so logical. The main idea is that a smartphone should fulfill and suite its owner's needs.

The big positive thing about iphone is that the software (at least the one I'm using) is of good quality. It doesn't crash, it doesn't lag. You take the phone out of your pocket and you do what you want, assuming you've invested some time in advance to tweak everything to suite your needs of course. No idea how good android is - someday will check it as well, if I get used to the idea to share my life with google... :D))))

[Guest DistortedLoop]

Sorry, I should have noted, in the UK there is little choice other than AMOLED Android devices.

And to say LCD have been used outdoors without problems is stretching it a little? Sure, if they have a transflective layer, like 3GS did and several Nokia models, then yes, they are fine, but otherwise, not so great.

Kev

Fair enough. Seems to me that here in the US, TFT is pretty standard on smartphones and PDAs for at least the last several years, but I only tend to look at high end devices, and perhaps the cheap ones I don't pay attention to don't have them.

The only phone I've owned or used in the last few years that had issues being used in sunlight is the Nexus One.

[Guest dagrim1]

I can't agree with that. Any Android that uses an LCD is useable outdoors. The EVO 4G I tried for 30 days worked as well outside as the iPhone or the SGS.

AMOLED's are a joke in sunlight, completely unusable, but LCDs have been used for years outdoors without problems.

Don't know if you're also saying this about Super AMOLED but when turning the brightness up I can use the device just fine in direct bright sunlight. Can't say the same about my HD2...