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[griff_dai]

You know what, Steven Paul Jobs got it so right in Feb of this year, we all wanted Tablets and now we can see that with the raft of tablets hitting the shelves before Xmas!!!!!

Me I want 10 inch's or more, tried the Streak, to big for a phone. 7inch's to small for sit at home replacement for your lappy or desktop...

10 Inch's plus is the golden egg!

I reckon the next ipad will go bigger, not smaller.

Still in for the Vega but wanna see the Folio before putting my cold hard cash down!

[SilentMobius]

Next piece of info.

I _think_ the surfaceflinger and gl subsystems are being done in software... boggles the mind I know. I'm wondering if the gpu drivers simply weren't finished.
Google Earth causes the Folio to go _mental_ and quadrant (though reporting good scores) the 3d portions are _massive_ stutterfests

I may return this device, the side of the box says Tegra 250, that implies the software is in place to support it.

EDIT: No looks like the 3d is performing as expected according to GLbenchmark.com but something is definitely _up_

Edited by SilentMobius, 04 November 2010 - 12:13 AM.

[mamoulian]

SilentMobius, on Nov 3 2010, 23:41, said:

I _think_ the surfaceflinger and gl subsystems are being done in software... boggles the mind I know. I'm wondering if the gpu drivers simply weren't finished.
Google Earth causes the Folio to go _mental_ and quadrant (though reporting good scores) the 3d portions are _massive_ stutterfests

I may return this device, the side of the box says Tegra 250, that implies the software is in place to support it

That would explain it, I expected the Tegra2 to be much smoother!
In a way this is good, when they sort it out the same hardware will be much better...
I guess that's a thing for Toshiba + nVidia to sort out, not Gingerbread.

[SilentMobius]

One plus point, the battery pack is completely removable.. which is nice as I've had to remove it due to lockups.

EDIT: Whoah. Oh I think something I generally use was _really_ bad for it. not sure on the details yet, but I just uninstalled a load of stuff and suddenly its buttery smooth again.

Additionally I finally got ADB working. I could see "FAILED BINDER TRANSACTION" rows in logcat when it was stuttering, so I'm not sure the folio was to blame.
BTW, superoneclickroot seems to work

So do I need to replace anything frameworky to get gapps installed or is it simply apks/libs to /system?

Ok I've pushed GoogleServicesFramework.apk and Vending.apk to system/app I now get the market icon and once executed it takes me to the account signup. however that fails after signup. I think the Folio is mis-reporting its MAC address and thus the check-in is failing

D/NativeCrypto( 1295): Freeing OpenSSL session
V/CheckinRequestBuilder( 1295): pre-froyo android id is 0
I/CheckinTask( 1295): Sending checkin request (32167 bytes)
E/CheckinTask( 1295): Checkin failed: https://android.clients.google.com/checkin (request #0)
E/CheckinTask( 1295): java.io.IOException: Rejected response from server: HTTP/1.1 400 invalid hardware identifier: "00.24.7E.70.B3.6A" is not a valid MAC address (expect 12 hex digits)
E/CheckinTask( 1295):   at com.google.android.gsf.checkin.CheckinTask.parseResponse(CheckinTask.java:298)
E/CheckinTask( 1295):   at com.google.android.gsf.checkin.CheckinTask.sendRequest(CheckinTask.java:246)
E/CheckinTask( 1295):   at com.google.android.gsf.checkin.CheckinTask.doInBackground(CheckinTask.java:146)

I winder what format its expecting, maybe not periods?

Edited by SilentMobius, 04 November 2010 - 02:09 AM.

[McSpoon]

Does the Folio use hdpi or mdpi graphics?   (if you have adb shell access then 'getprop ro.sf.lcd_density' might be the easiest way to answer that - if it returns 240 it's hdpi, 160=mdpi).  Just wondering if the pixels are so far apart on a 10inch screen does it fall under the mdpi category.

[steeevo]

BooToo, on Nov 3 2010, 20:01, said:

Well....
Just ordered a Folio on the PC Word website...

I have to say, the fact that this tab has also a Tegra 2 + 16Gb internal + normal size memory card + Wifi n + Big name (Toshiba) justified the extra money (for me) and made me move to the Dark side  

My only concern is relative to the lag described by some of the owners but Taskkiller should (as always) help... That reminds me my Streak    
That is it... I stop polution this Threat and move to ne new one!

Good luck to the future Vega owners and long live Android!

Can't wait anymore. Just ordered the Folio from the Currys website, use save5 promo code to get 5% discount, valid until 8 Nov I think. Got it for £313.49

Just hope Tosh sort the glitches out soonest.

[BooToo]

steeevo, on Nov 4 2010, 06:38, said:

Can't wait anymore. Just ordered the Folio from the Currys website, use save5 promo code to get 5% discount, valid until 8 Nov I think. Got it for £313.49

Just hope Tosh sort the glitches out soonest.

How strange that the Vega threat is in fact pushing people to the Tosh by a mix of frustration and higher spec  

[BooToo]

SilentMobius, on Nov 4 2010, 00:14, said:

Ok I've pushed GoogleServicesFramework.apk and Vending.apk to system/app I now get the market icon and once executed it takes me to the account signup. however that fails after signup. I think the Folio is mis-reporting its MAC address and thus the check-in is failing

Some time ago, I read someting about the device identifying himself in the system/build.prop file to allow the Googlemarket to identify what apps are compatible.
Maybe you could try to change that for Nexus one?

Appologies to all vega readers for this off topic... We really need a dedicated threat for the Folio...

Edited by BooToo, 04 November 2010 - 07:16 AM.

[andrewd1]

Got mine yesterday but not sure if I am going to keep it, the viewing angel is bad but this may be a good thing for privacy, The home and back buttons seem to stop responding and need a good press sometimes, there does not seem to be a calendar app, tried to side load Angry Birds but get sound and just a black screen.
We need to get Android Market on this.

[shutdown]

i am finding it very interesting. all the talk of the other tablets is kind of bracing me for the fact the vega "may" not be the uber machine we had hoped for. If tosh can't get it right then maybe a cheaper one won't either?

[MarkoUK]

andrewd1, on Nov 4 2010, 08:19, said:

Got mine yesterday but not sure if I am going to keep it, the viewing angel is bad but this may be a good thing for privacy, The home and back buttons seem to stop responding and need a good press sometimes, there does not seem to be a calendar app, tried to side load Angry Birds but get sound and just a black screen.
We need to get Android Market on this.

Black screen sounds luke a flash issue
It doesn't have flash loaded as default does it?

[Carbonize]

MarkoUK, on Nov 4 2010, 09:02, said:

Black screen sounds luke a flash issue
It doesn't have flash loaded as default does it?

1 - The game is not Flash based
2 - As has already been said you have to download Flash from the Toshiba app store and it's not available yet

[SilentMobius]

McSpoon, on Nov 4 2010, 02:31, said:

Does the Folio use hdpi or mdpi graphics?   (if you have adb shell access then 'getprop ro.sf.lcd_density' might be the easiest way to answer that - if it returns 240 it's hdpi, 160=mdpi).  Just wondering if the pixels are so far apart on a 10inch screen does it fall under the mdpi category.

Oddly o.sf.lcd_density isnt set

Hmm, Paul, where would be the right place to start a new thread? Devices Other?

Here are the props:

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Edited by SilentMobius, 04 November 2010 - 09:44 AM.

[SilentMobius]

Carbonize, on Nov 4 2010, 09:15, said:

2 - As has already been said you have to download Flash from the Toshiba app store and it's not available yet

Yeah, sideloading the current flash apk causes the browser to crash _hard_ I guess there is some hardware specific optimisation in there

[bewA]

hold on... they signed the rom with test keys?!

[McSpoon]

SilentMobius, on Nov 4 2010, 10:43, said:

Oddly o.sf.lcd_density isnt set

In that case I guess it's defaulting to 160, making it mdpi.  hmm...
thanks.

[SilentMobius]

bewA, on Nov 4 2010, 09:59, said:

hold on... they signed the rom with test keys?!

Yeah, looks that way *snicker*

BTW have started dedicated Folio 100 thread in "Other"

Edited by SilentMobius, 04 November 2010 - 10:25 AM.

[_dg]

Errrr, is this thread about the Advent Vega or a general software debugging thread?

[shutdown]

they have their own thread now so we should be back on track

[swarrans]

shutdown, on Nov 4 2010, 13:33, said:

they have their own thread now so we should be back on track

I'm interested in the Advent Vega, but I'm a newbie to tablets and Android so please allow me to ask 2 dumb questions!
1. In it's standard format will I be able to retrieve email using my wifi connection (not web mail, but a [email protected] type email that I normally do with Outlook)
2. This thread seems to say the addition of Gingerbread will be a useful potential upgrade - would this normally be free if I bought one when they first become available>

Thanks

Simon