Guest Ter4a Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Now, that the Motorola Xoom is out, and we see how quickly developers are working on it, I started thinking about selling the vega. Koush has ported a Root, fully working CWM and Rom manager only just 2 hours after he picked up the tablet ! That's very impressive. And now, SetCPU developer has overclocked the Xoom Tegra CPU by 20% I think 2 days after release this is awesome. I think Xoom just jumped to the top of my next tablet wish list.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rferrett Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 The Xoom is an impressive bit of kit but for me the price point is ridiculous. I just dont have that kind of cash to just through around. Possibly if/when the price comes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest celyn Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 until the next processor i think the vega will be fine as long as we get honeycomb at somepoint. Got to keep in mind it is only just coming out in stores now. I would love a xoom though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whatkatedoes Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think the Vega is safe for a while yet. The Xoom was the surely the first real high profile tablet after the so-far apparently over-hyped Notion Ink Adam, and so was likely to get people's attention. But the big clincher I think is the price, a decent tablet for £240 is fine for me for my nice casual use. If I wanted an Ipad type device for £600 I would have bought an Ipad, and maybe Jailbroken it. I think the Xoom was to be =<£300 I might have been interested. As it is - I love my Vega :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest warriorscot Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I got a Vega because I couldn't afford a XOOM or an ADAM even if they had been available and I make a point of not paying too much for hand held devices because they have a greater tendency to break and get lost quicker. Just too much of an investment for a portable, short term, high risk device. It's good there are people getting it and developing but for most people it is the first Tegra tablet as the P10AN01 has very limited availability and is based of a reference design used to test the platform. Remember a lot of the things done for the XOOM will be applicable to the Vega with a little tweaking it uses a similar hardware configuration just with less memory and no 3g. And if you really wanted to overclock a vega you could I just wouldn't recommend it and I don't think it will work out too well on the XOOM either as the Tegra chip is HOT under full load at standard clocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IndyUK Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think the Vega is OK for now and if it gets Honeycomb ported it should be OK for quite a bit longer. I think others are right in saying that the price is a big factor. I'm loving my Vega quite a bit, although the sticky keys drive me up the wall sometimes. :huh: Personally I think it's Honeycomb that's selling the Zoom and not so much the device itself. If you look at it it looks very similar to the Vega :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rferrett Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 On the sticky keys you might want to try Apache from XDA's Cyanogen 7 beta rom. Whilst using it I found I had virtually no keyboard issues when using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest extrememonkey Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) What people have to ask themselves is why are they buying a tablet? If it is for useability then the very very very well priced Vega cant be beat, yes the Xoom has Honeycomb etc, but is that really worth the price??? If you want a show piece then yes the Xoom or, dare I say it, the iPad is the way to go.... They have the bling factor because of one thing "ADVERTISNG*, same as my phone (Dell Streak), very underated and lack of devs due to lack of "ADVERTISING"/Notability.... I for one am very happy with my Vega, yes it would be better with Honeycomb, but that will come with time - there are not many devs for our devices and the main one in my eyes (Paul) is away when all this Xoom/Honeycomb bits have been released/ripped.... Edited February 26, 2011 by extrememonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest montage Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think peoples desperation to have some kind of technical gratification in the gadgets they buy and how their successors will provide them with what they need is very sad. My vega is a tool to make my life simpler and quicker.. not my life like some of you guys. Open your front door.. go outside.. and live your life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rferrett Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Outside? But then there owuld be no WiFi or charging points for my gadgets! :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest warriorscot Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think peoples desperation to have some kind of technical gratification in the gadgets they buy and how their successors will provide them with what they need is very sad. My vega is a tool to make my life simpler and quicker.. not my life like some of you guys. Open your front door.. go outside.. and live your life Dude it's called a hobby, some people tinker with cars lots of us tinker with our electronics either the software or the hardware. My vega is also certainly a tool to make things easier but its also a nice hobby/toy for tweaking and altering and development of operating systems is an interesting topic for discussion for lots of reasons. Given the price of the vega I doubt a lot of the buyers were people after the latest technology for the sake of it, those people would have bought Streaks or Galaxy tabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whatkatedoes Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Very odd comment to see on a site devoted to modding, hacking and expanding gadgetry, non? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jisonga Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I was on the look out for something to replace my aging laptop and when i sat down and thought about it all i did was listen to music and browse either youtube or the net in general and any form of laptop or netbook even was over kill for what i wanted from a device. So i turned my attention towards tablets. But i thought they were out of my league with £500 and above price points or those china tablets sold on ebay that from what i found out are rather hit and miss. Then i picked up on the buzz about the new Advent Vega on the net and after watching video after video and reading just about any website review i could get my hands on and using some left over christmas money i went for it as at around the £240 mark i was able to get my hands on a more than capable, well for my needs anyway, tablet that played flash and had good battery life. Just what i needed witfhout the wife seeing the big dent in our family finances and causing all kinds of trouble and strife. Yes the screen is a little on the poor side but for personal viewing its fine for me, but its backed up by some great internal hardware and from what i have seen so far a very active and helpful modding community that for one i am very very grateful to as my Vega now does everything and more i could of ever hoped for, wether we get honeycomb or not, and all for way less than half the price of some of the big boys out there. Thats why i think the Vega has a future in this market as this bit of kit helps plug that hole between the very bottom of the tablet range that gives you nothing but grief and those really all singing and dancing bit of tablet bling and that just suits us middle of the road guys. Oh and after years of sitting infront of a Windows machine its great to play with something new and have a tinker and stretch those old brian cells. Well thats my rather long take on things. Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wi-fli Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I agree with the comments about not spending big wonga on a portable device which is more easily nicked/dropped/lost etc. Also I would add that a tablet is going to be used (relatively often) by my small offspring, who is a walking risk zone for losing/dropping such things... (usage case being as a travel video player mainly - if they want to play games, they go in the garden rather than sitting in front of a screen, being an unusual nipper who doesn't see the point of video games, a prejudice they seem to have inherited from their dad!!!) So the idea of spending two to three times as much on a tablet (I'm looking at iPad, Xoom etc) is a total non-starter for me and I suspect for a lot of folks. Even stuff like the NI Adam (anyone seen a major IT website get to review one yet eh???), or the Hannspad, are starting to get a bit too pricey for my tastes. So I think the Vega has a good future for now. Hell, if the tablet market takes off and DSG can drop the price a bit more, they might have a real sales hit. The downsides for me are the screen viewing angles (but I can live with that) and the near-impossibility of typing on the thing due to the dodgy screen multiple-press bug. I can llive with the latter since the device is mainly used for "consumption" rather than "creation" at the moment. Most other stuff is fine - even battery life is good. Obvioulsy without the Modaco ROM it'd be a very different story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zzleezz Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I was on the look out for something to replace my aging laptop and when i sat down and thought about it all i did was listen to music and browse either youtube or the net in general and any form of laptop or netbook even was over kill for what i wanted from a device. So i turned my attention towards tablets. But i thought they were out of my league with £500 and above price points or those china tablets sold on ebay that from what i found out are rather hit and miss. Then i picked up on the buzz about the new Advent Vega on the net and after watching video after video and reading just about any website review i could get my hands on and using some left over christmas money i went for it as at around the £240 mark i was able to get my hands on a more than capable, well for my needs anyway, tablet that played flash and had good battery life. Just what i needed witfhout the wife seeing the big dent in our family finances and causing all kinds of trouble and strife. Yes the screen is a little on the poor side but for personal viewing its fine for me, but its backed up by some great internal hardware and from what i have seen so far a very active and helpful modding community that for one i am very very grateful to as my Vega now does everything and more i could of ever hoped for, wether we get honeycomb or not, and all for way less than half the price of some of the big boys out there. Thats why i think the Vega has a future in this market as this bit of kit helps plug that hole between the very bottom of the tablet range that gives you nothing but grief and those really all singing and dancing bit of tablet bling and that just suits us middle of the road guys. Oh and after years of sitting infront of a Windows machine its great to play with something new and have a tinker and stretch those old brian cells. Well thats my rather long take on things. Jason. Its like you reached into my brain and recorded my exact experience and feelings about my Vega! Since installing 1.09 my Vega has become perfect. I can't think how spending an extra £350 on an alternative could possibly be worth it. Xoom might be better but its not that much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Nino9 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Now, that the Motorola Xoom is out, and we see how quickly developers are working on it, I started thinking about selling the vega. Koush has ported a Root, fully working CWM and Rom manager only just 2 hours after he picked up the tablet ! That's very impressive. And now, SetCPU developer has overclocked the Xoom Tegra CPU by 20% I think 2 days after release this is awesome. I think Xoom just jumped to the top of my next tablet wish list.... well i understand what you are saying but from a developers point of view, rom and kernel, what you saying isn't fair. any google development device has always had an advantage of other devices. for example: kernel source. with the vega how long did it take to get? how long did it take to get the pulse source? or the ZTE one? google usually release theres fairly soon after the launch of the product. then there after for how every long the device is the development main model i.e. nexus one and now nexus s and the xoom they both will get updates immediately as the source has been tested on those devices before being released. so vega side of things, do you know how long it would take to build from source? i mean you need drivers for all sorts and fixes for other things. mainly the people who are working on these things are not working for the company, i.e. shuttle in this case i believe. yet the custom rom developers usually do a pretty damn good job with whats available to them and in some cases release a lot better versions then theirs. what i am saying root is dead easy when you just fastboot oem unlock and then push an unsecure boot.img and then adb push su :huh: its ok on devices that haven't been looked down either to gain root. but yeaa i am sure that this tablet will get honeycomb. if manufactures are anything to go by...usually slowly :) we shall see what the DSG have in mind to apply more pressure for a release for the vega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Nino9 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Now, that the Motorola Xoom is out, and we see how quickly developers are working on it, I started thinking about selling the vega. Koush has ported a Root, fully working CWM and Rom manager only just 2 hours after he picked up the tablet ! That's very impressive. And now, SetCPU developer has overclocked the Xoom Tegra CPU by 20% I think 2 days after release this is awesome. I think Xoom just jumped to the top of my next tablet wish list.... well i understand what you are saying but from a developers point of view, rom and kernel, what you saying isn't fair. any google development device has always had an advantage of other devices. for example: kernel source. with the vega how long did it take to get? how long did it take to get the pulse source? or the ZTE one? google usually release theres fairly soon after the launch of the product. then there after for how every long the device is the development main model i.e. nexus one and now nexus s and the xoom they both will get updates immediately as the source has been tested on those devices before being released. so vega side of things, do you know how long it would take to build from source? i mean you need drivers for all sorts and fixes for other things. mainly the people who are working on these things are not working for the company, i.e. shuttle in this case i believe. yet the custom rom developers usually do a pretty damn good job with whats available to them and in some cases release a lot better versions then theirs. what i am saying root is dead easy when you just fastboot oem unlock and then push an unsecure boot.img and then adb push su :huh: its ok on devices that haven't been looked down either to gain root. but yeaa i am sure that this tablet will get honeycomb. if manufactures are anything to go by...usually slowly :) we shall see what the DSG have in mind to apply more pressure for a release for the vega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest warriorscot Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 How many of you with the sticky keys problem have a new vega vs. an older one like I used it's probably one of the biggest flaws still around. I recently sent mines back under warranty and got a replacement that had 1.08 firmware pre-installed. I installed CWM and restored a complete backup and so far I have gone from occasional sticking of keys on the old one to none at all. Not sure if its the advent calibration or some minor hardware change that did but it is much improved over the old model. I have a sneaking suspicion it was a minor hardware revision as there are a couple of differences to the exterior compared to the old one as the back panel has a matte texture the old one didn't and the buttons are all noticeably softer probably a revision due to problems like I had with mine with buttons breaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamesie Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) How many of you with the sticky keys problem have a new vega vs. an older one like I used it's probably one of the biggest flaws still around. I recently sent mines back under warranty and got a replacement that had 1.08 firmware pre-installed. I installed CWM and restored a complete backup and so far I have gone from occasional sticking of keys on the old one to none at all. Not sure if its the advent calibration or some minor hardware change that did but it is much improved over the old model. I have a sneaking suspicion it was a minor hardware revision as there are a couple of differences to the exterior compared to the old one as the back panel has a matte texture the old one didn't and the buttons are all noticeably softer probably a revision due to problems like I had with mine with buttons breaking. My Vega's just 2 weeks old and is plagued by sticky keys, I use stock 1.09 & ganjamans rom add on, i.ve tried other roms with no improvement. I thought about waiting for a xoom but other than the viewing angles the hardware is not sufficiently different/improved enough to warrant the price tag. I have a Google Signature phone if I want to play with latest tweaks. The Vega is a great toy and I think as soon as honeycomb aosp is released It'll be on the Vega in a flash. No point ditching it just yet, if once honeycomb aosp is released the devs find it impossible to port to the Vega, only then would I consider a xoom ! Edited February 27, 2011 by jamesie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alphaola Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Once gtab or Adam get honeycomb then Vega will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jellywobbles Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) How many of you with the sticky keys problem have a new vega vs. an older one like I used it's probably one of the biggest flaws still around. I recently sent mines back under warranty and got a replacement that had 1.08 firmware pre-installed. I installed CWM and restored a complete backup and so far I have gone from occasional sticking of keys on the old one to none at all. Not sure if its the advent calibration or some minor hardware change that did but it is much improved over the old model. I have a sneaking suspicion it was a minor hardware revision as there are a couple of differences to the exterior compared to the old one as the back panel has a matte texture the old one didn't and the buttons are all noticeably softer probably a revision due to problems like I had with mine with buttons breaking. That's very interesting. How long had you had your Vega before you sent it back? Been thinking about sending mine back as well for the same reasons! Like many I think that the Vega is great VFM - having said that I'd not want to pay a penny more than the £250 it cost me. Its great to use but has too many limitations for me to take over from my laptop! Bouncing / sticky keys is a totally bl**dy nightmare, sometimes make typing anything other than a few lines impossible. Its easier & quicker to type a letter on my HTC HD2 running 2.3.2. Cheers Edited February 27, 2011 by jellywobbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest trevor432990 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) How many of you with the sticky keys problem have a new vega vs. an older one like I used it's probably one of the biggest flaws still around. I recently sent mines back under warranty and got a replacement that had 1.08 firmware pre-installed. I installed CWM and restored a complete backup and so far I have gone from occasional sticking of keys on the old one to none at all. Not sure if its the advent calibration or some minor hardware change that did but it is much improved over the old model. I have a sneaking suspicion it was a minor hardware revision as there are a couple of differences to the exterior compared to the old one as the back panel has a matte texture the old one didn't and the buttons are all noticeably softer probably a revision due to problems like I had with mine with buttons breaking. I only time I notice the 'sticky key' syndrome on my 'old' Vega is when the power supply connected is this what you are talking about Warrior? Edited February 27, 2011 by trevor432990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest warriorscot Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I had it more generally in the old vega it was worse on the charger but still had it all the time. Switching to a better keyboard and calibration helped hugely in that respect. Smart keyboard pro and the calibration app are godsends. I actually sent mine back on another issue not the keyboard it was just a plus that the keyboard is better now. Mines had a broken hardware key that was stuck down so I suppose not too different and issue. Honestly I had thought the sticky keys were something a software update could fix easier than hardware but I am more inclined to the hardware issues being the biggest factor in the problem. I thought it was pretty weird how much better it is, these days the only typing errors come from physical mistyping. Which to be honest for some people may be the problem not the actual keyboard because I can confirm the tendency to account all typing errors to the keyboard and not common human error after all a finger is hardly the epitome of high precision and lots of people have a tendency to tap a key softly before actually typing which is a habit of physical keyboard users that often goes unnoticed. I have since getting my vega back caught myself doing something that otherwise I might have blamed on a bug before. I think the main cause of the sticky keys for some people and not others was improperly shielded components either due to the design limitations or the sketchy manufacturing. Given that the new one is much better and with the other more cosmetic changes it seems likely they have made a few incremental changes to the build process that has probably helped the problem when combined with better firmware. My charger is also slightly different compared to the original so I don't know if its been worked on a little or if its just a newer more reliable batch of an identical charger. If you are having a problem getting a replacement isn't the worst idea in the world, it takes about a week which is a pain and its better if you have an easy to diagnose problem so if its really bad in spite of the software fixes definitely get another. Try to contact DSG customer services directly not the store you bought from as they can't authorise returns without a certain code and then they only pass a message to DSG customer services and they then call you back so cut out the middle man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest trevor432990 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Thanks for the info but I think I can probably live with mine as I don't intend to do lots of typing on it :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest premieral Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 i only got mine beginning of february with r 1.08 and have never had any keyboard issues so probably was a launch model issue that has been fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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