Guest madu Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 You can - especially if it is a FULL backup. When you put a card with fll backup in the phone and enter bootloader, just before you're supposed to press 'Action Key' for 1 sec it asks you to press any key to 'download' - and that is a full restore - like a start-up floppy if you wish. But the new bootloader does not allow you to backup/restore in the same way. You can only do it using this special software by Arisme called USBterm.exe which seems to be a bit buggy (XP Pro) and works, but is not very convincing... Damn those f***rs in O. Are they really that stupid and beleive this would have stopped us from anything/??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richie M Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 :evil: Just to warn everyone, you can't seem to do a ISPM backup onto a 8Mb SD Card, no matter what :shock: I tried deleting loads of stuff (unused sounds, pics and loads (over 200) SMS) and it didn't make any difference :) When you format the card it says 6Mb available, then run qfs 8 and it says the file size is 8C0000 (9175040 Bytes :shock: ) no matter what you do (havent tried doing it with a fresh ISPM tho) USBTerm will then hang writing to the card with 260000 (2490368 Bytes) left to write! If you kill and then restart USBTerm it will try and continue with loads of Error's, basically saying it can't write anymore! :evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jcinfo Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 First when you whant to backup QFS 10 format the card qfs 0 : save the bootloader qfs 2 : save the WinCE qfs 4 : save the GSM qfs 6 : save the CE + GSM "dont use" qfs 8 : save the IPSM @+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richie M Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Jc, i have done that on my 128 Mb card but i want that now for other stuff so i wanted just an ISPM backup on 8 Mb card like before, but it wont fit :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jcinfo Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Sory but y have juste a full backup designed for SPV french. You can backup your 128 Mb on your pc , put the backup on te card , restor the ipsm. You can use if you whant the backup of florin_m if you have and just restor the ipsm DK or UK. I dont continue to see her job , because my optic is different, no $ for my job ;) When is finish you restor your backup of your 128MB :) sory for my english. Somme stufs is in prepared , but y test and when it's ok y put on my home page. Now you have somme tools for "play" whith your spv. good luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jcinfo Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Sory but y have juste a full backup designed for SPV french. You can backup your 128 Mb on your pc , put the backup on te card , restor the ipsm. You can use if you whant the backup of florin_m if you have and just restor the ipsm DK or UK. I dont continue to see her job , because my optic is different, no $ for my job ;) When is finish you restor your backup of your 128MB :) sory for my english. Somme stufs is in prepared , but y test and when it's ok y put on my home page. Now you have somme tools for "play" whith your spv. good luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richie M Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Thanks, but i only have a 128 Mb Card & 8 Mb and no card-reader (Un lecteur de carte SD relié au PC) :) Looks like you need a minimum 32 Mb card, oh well, who needs a backup anyway? (just out of interest when i restored my ISPM off the 128 Mb card it re-certed it anyone else get this?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest frijj2k Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 When i try to dump the bootloader to SD i get the following message: Error, Sector no==0 Any ideas? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RMWD Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 I used USBTerm to restore the old bootloader from an SD. Then I backed up everything using the usual method, ie. SAVE ALL on the bootloader menu on the phone. Then I tested it. I cleared the phone and restored it ALL, and everything is there updated, new aps and a usefull bootloader. :) As I understand it Retallick has been able to restore JUST the bootloader from a previous complete backup using USBTerm. I assume he has XP. Why don't we all just do that as then backup and restoring is as before? Have I misunderstood? Most of us can get acces to a PC with XP running. It just means installing Activesync that's all. That's how I did my update (on someone elses PC). What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest retallick Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 You did understand correctly. I have XP on my PC and just restored the bootloader using USBTerm. Then backed up everything using the bootloader. I now have a fully unlocked SPV (application and sim) with the latest update and the original bootloader. Probably the best SPV in the world. :) I now back up/restore everything as I always did before. I have been watching this forum and wondering why you are all tolerating the new bootloader when it's so easy to replace it. I hadn't realised XP was an issue, but now I understand. I suspect what I have done isn't without risk, but now that I have done it, I have tested it several times and it's perfect. By the way, I was one of the foolish people who paid O to get the sim lock removed. I should be more patient. :? Good luck to anyone who wants to try what I've done. Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest frijj2k Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Right i got it working now.... but.... After entering a command it appears to work ok but there are a couple of error messages that appear just before it says everything worked ok. Here what i mean? Cmd 4>> qfs 0 qfs 0 init Waiting for card insert......... Card Info=0420 Card Info=0630 WaitRspEnd!!! ERROR [A880081E]=000000C0 Err: CMD55 ret=FFFFFFF9 SD card foundCard Insert Success, Now On Stand-by State. Detected one card ===== Disk info ===== This disk has 250880 blocks, each block has 512 bytes Disk size 122 Mb Initialize disk data struct finish rm: Name=PBOOT Error, file PBOOT is not exist backup: Name=PBOOT Start=00000000 Size=00020000 Remain bytes 00020000 from 00000000 Remain bytes 00000000 from 00020000 Waiting for check CloseFile 8C2749A0 Total Backup time= 1 seconds Backup success Cmd 5>> Is this normal?!?!??! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richie M Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Frijj - thats normal :) Retallick - some of us weren't as foresighted :oops: and didn't backup da old bootloader ;) (or anything else for that matter :shock: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest retallick Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Does any body know a way to get the bootloader onto my PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RMWD Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 I used USBTerm to restore the old bootloader from an SD. Then I backed up everything using the usual method, ie. SAVE ALL on the bootloader menu on the phone. Then I tested it. I cleared the phone and restored it ALL, and everything is there updated, new aps and a usefull bootloader. :) Retallick, I had a tested pre update full backup. I tried restoring the bootloader using USBTERM in XP and got the same sort of script as shown by someone else and which you tjought was normal. When I rebooted the SPV with the backup card in place I still got the post update bootloader which then proceded on clicking to reload the full back up. It stopped for ages ater downloading the bootloader and I thought it had finished but no it was in the process of downloading the WINCE so I killed the phone. Anyway I did a full restore after a hard reset but without erasing the IPSM and it came back to normal. Oddly though some of the update seems working but other parts are missing, like picture manager and sound manager. I suppose the USBterm reload of the bootloader didn't work and I have a partially preupdated phone. Oddly enough though it works faster than it did earlier. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RMWD Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 See previous post. However I thought I'd try and see what happened if entered the diagnostics via the bootloader when NO card was present. Page 1 shows NO entries 0 to 7 BUT if you press the number that was representative before like 0 saves whole backup, 1 loads whole backup 2 saves WinCE 3 loads WinCE 4 saves gsm 5 loads GSM 6 saves IPSM, 7 loads ipsm. The SPV still tries to do just that only with no card it just fails. Perhaps someone can try with a real card. The point is even though no menu options appear the SPV bootloader still tries to carry out the actions that were there before. So I think only the menu is hidden but the functions still are present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest retallick Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Hi RMWD, you said I thought someones script was normal, I don't think I did say that as I didn't pay much attention to what USBTerm reported (other than I didn't notice any errors). Once I restored the Bootloader using USBTerm, I turned my phone on with a different card in (one that is used for data, not backups) and checked that everything was working, then I put my Backup card back in and re-booted the phone into the bootloader and saved all. I did notice that it took much longer than before to complete the WINCE bit but it did eventually complete. Since then, I have done further backups and restores (I can't stop tinkering) and it behaves exactly as it did before the update. If I can think of anything else that might be relevant, I'll post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest frijj2k Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Is there any way (software) that allows you to use the SPV in its cradle as a MMC/SD reader writer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moodoo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 I dont thik there is a way of using the cradle, not for the purpose of dumping a backup image onto or off a card anyway. The backup formats the card to a filesystem that cant be read by windows, so unfortunately you'll need a hex editor and a card reader. (They're pretty cheap though - i got mine for £11 new from an ebay store) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DJHope Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 RMWD - Dosnt work mate, just tried :) Best thing todo is restore the ol bootloader i rekon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HelloDave Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Before I try it - has anyone else restored the old bootloader, and if so was it successful? Also, has anyone else managed to back up just IPSM to an 8mb SD as Richie M says he can't do it but surely if USBTerm just accesses the functions in the bootloader like pressing a button did in the old version it should work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jcinfo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Hi y have juste put one zip file qhith 3 boot loader 0.91-0.93-0.98- :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richie M Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 :cry: I give up, it is impossible to back up the ISPM to an 8Mb card :cry: I even just tried to do a Default ISPM (straight after an Erase) and USBTerm still insisted it was same size as before (8C0000 Bytes) :shock: Oh well, just use Orange Backup, drag and drop Ringtones & Themes from PC, & i'm sorted (aint bothered about SMS as they were only the Lies and Bullshit off my Cheating ex (bitch) :evil: ). Only have to de-cert yet again :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DJHope Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Bet this works perfectly over serial! Anyone tried it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob.P Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Hi all, Been trying a backup to IPSM via USBTerm, this is what I have so far and it has been like this for past 5mins... C:>cd C:>usbterm qfs ? qfs ? QFS HELP: MODE 0: Bootloader --> CARD 1: CARD --> Bootloader 2: WinCE --> CARD 3: CARD --> WinCE 4: GSM --> CARD 5: CARD --> GSM 6: CE+GSM --> CARD 7: CARD --> CE+GSM 8: IPSM --> CARD 9: CARD --> IPSM 10: Format CARD ---------- XIP Update ---------- 100: SMARTFON --> CARD 101: OPERATOR --> CARD 102: CHAIN --> CARD 103: OEM --> CARD 104: LANG --> CARD 105: CARD --> SMARTFON 106: CARD --> OPERATOR 107: CARD --> CHAIN 108: CARD --> OEM 109: CARD --> LANG Cmd 1>> qfs 8 qfs 8 init Waiting for card insert......... Card Info=0420 Card Info=0630 WaitRspEnd!!! ERROR [A880081E]=000000C0 Err: CMD55 ret=FFFFFFF9 SD card foundCard Insert Success, Now On Stand-by State. Detected one card ===== Disk info ===== This disk has 13280 blocks, each block has 512 bytes Disk size 6 Mb Initialize disk data struct finish backup: Name=IPSM Start=016E0000 Size=008C0000 Remain bytes 008C0000 from 016E0000 Remain bytes 008A0000 from 01700000 Remain bytes 00880000 from 01720000 Remain bytes 00860000 from 01740000 Remain bytes 00840000 from 01760000 Remain bytes 00820000 from 01780000 Remain bytes 00800000 from 017A0000 Remain bytes 007E0000 from 017C0000 Remain bytes 007C0000 from 017E0000 Remain bytes 007A0000 from 01800000 Remain bytes 00780000 from 01820000 Remain bytes 00760000 from 01840000 Remain bytes 00740000 from 01860000 Remain bytes 00720000 from 01880000 Remain bytes 00700000 from 018A0000 Remain bytes 006E0000 from 018C0000 Remain bytes 006C0000 from 018E0000 Remain bytes 006A0000 from 01900000 Remain bytes 00680000 from 01920000 Remain bytes 00660000 from 01940000 Remain bytes 00640000 from 01960000 Remain bytes 00620000 from 01980000 Remain bytes 00600000 from 019A0000 Remain bytes 005E0000 from 019C0000 Remain bytes 005C0000 from 019E0000 Remain bytes 005A0000 from 01A00000 Remain bytes 00580000 from 01A20000 Remain bytes 00560000 from 01A40000 Remain bytes 00540000 from 01A60000 Remain bytes 00520000 from 01A80000 Remain bytes 00500000 from 01AA0000 Remain bytes 004E0000 from 01AC0000 Remain bytes 004C0000 from 01AE0000 Remain bytes 004A0000 from 01B00000 Remain bytes 00480000 from 01B20000 Remain bytes 00460000 from 01B40000 Remain bytes 00440000 from 01B60000 Remain bytes 00420000 from 01B80000 Remain bytes 00400000 from 01BA0000 Remain bytes 003E0000 from 01BC0000 Remain bytes 003C0000 from 01BE0000 Remain bytes 003A0000 from 01C00000 Remain bytes 00380000 from 01C20000 Remain bytes 00360000 from 01C40000 Remain bytes 00340000 from 01C60000 Remain bytes 00320000 from 01C80000 Remain bytes 00300000 from 01CA0000 Remain bytes 002E0000 from 01CC0000 Remain bytes 002C0000 from 01CE0000 Remain bytes 002A0000 from 01D00000 Remain bytes 00280000 from 01D20000 Remain bytes 00260000 from 01D40000 Just wanna if this is normal and wether I can restart my phone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richie M Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Rob, read my previous postings in this thread. In summary, yes that is normal, basically it's crashed because your Sd card is not big enough to take the ISPM backup :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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