Guest maxfield Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 :? When I plug my E200 into its cradle the light turns orange and the screen show the charging icon. I have IA Style tools Sytem Info and it show the phone is charging. The Orange manual that comes with the phone shows on page 11 you have to have the charger plugged into the cradle to charge! Best regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shadamehr Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 E200 CAN charge without the 'charger' being plugged into the cradle, PROVIDED of course that the PC is switched on. It will then (the cradle) draw power to charge it, from the USB port of the computer. As soon as you turn the PC off though, this will stop. And indeed, if my basic electronics is correct, unless the cradle is reverse insulated, it would then actually DRAIN the battery of the phone - just like a charger plugged into a phone but not into the mains supply is meant to. This is new behaviour allegedly, of the cradle itself that is supplied with the E200, as it supposedly will charge an E100 the same way too. Best advice though - connect the charger to the cradle too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kallisti Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 It's a lithium ION, it's got to have a protection circuit, so it won't drain, it will just cease charging. And fwiw, this is a totally acceptable way of charging, many of us modified our original SPV cradles to do this over the last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shadamehr Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 It's a lithium ION, it's got to have a protection circuit, so it won't drain, it will just cease charging. Circuit protection or whatever it may indeed have mate, but this has nothing to do with it being Lithium Ion. About the last 10-12 Nokias I possesed were all lithium ion batteries, but plugging the charger into the phone, and leaving the charger diconnected from the mains, was the easy way to drain, and thus condition your battery. The chemical make-up of the battery has no bearing on this. If you state it won't drain left on an unnconnected charger, no problem - I am sure your right mate. But it is not simply because the battery is Li-ion. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sbsdegb1 Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 E200 CAN charge without the 'charger' being plugged into the cradle, PROVIDED of course that the PC is switched on. It will then (the cradle) draw power to charge it, from the USB port of the computer. As soon as you turn the PC off though, this will stop. I have my cradle plugged into a powered usb hub. So even when the computer is off and the hub doesn't look like it is doing anything it still charges my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tooney Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 It's not a change in the cradle but in the E200 itself. Drop an spv or E100 onto the new cradle and it will sync but not charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sbsdegb1 Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 It's not a change in the cradle but in the E200 itself. Drop an spv or E100 onto the new cradle and it will sync but not charge. I know. Was just saying that if you have a powered USB hub you will be able to charge your phone regardless if the computer is on or off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tooney Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 This is new behaviour allegedly, of the cradle itself that is supplied with the E200, as it supposedly will charge an E100 the same way too. I Should have quoted this :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bottom98 Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 I think these guys are going off on a tangent a bit! Thanks for letting us know, I certainly didn't know that that the E200 Cradle will charge without the AC Charger inserted. I can now take my AC Charger to work and use the little adaptor to prolong my battery life a bit more ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Kirby Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 About the last 10-12 Nokias I possesed were all lithium ion batteries, but plugging the charger into the phone, and leaving the charger diconnected from the mains, was the easy way to drain, and thus condition your battery. There is no need to condition a Li-Ion battery. Previous battery technologies suffered from memory effect but Li-Ions don't suffer as much - certainly not enough to have to bother re-condidtioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shadamehr Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Toony > I was only going by what Paul, the site founder of this place, states in his review. Where IIRC, he makes it clear that this is due to a change in behaviour of the cradle, proven by placing his E100 into the new cradle, and it charges without the plug being in. I have no idea how true or otherwise this is, as I have never ever owned an E100 - I was simply referring to reviews on here. MattKirby> I disagree entirely, and many more on here will too. Li-ions, once fully 'ran in after the first proper full charge, and a couple of full charges later, need no conditioning. But I think there are many people who will agree, that a NEW li-ion requires a full charge or two first, and susperstition or not, feel it still benefits from a couple of full discharge/charge cycles in the early days, and THEN you can do what you like with it. But in ANY EVENT, I was merely responding to the issue about it not draining with a charger left in the phone but not connected, by virtue of it being a li-ion battery. I was merely explaining that if this IS the case, and it doesn't drain (and I'm not for one second disputing it), it has nothing to do with the fact that it is becuase its li-ion however, as many hundreds of li-ion batteries from other companies will drain if left this way. I trust that clarifies. Cheers guys :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Kirby Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 MattKirby> I disagree entirely, and many more on here will too. Li-ions, once fully 'ran in after the first proper full charge, and a couple of full charges later, need no conditioning. But I think there are many people who will agree, that a NEW li-ion requires a full charge or two first, and susperstition or not, feel it still benefits from a couple of full discharge/charge cycles in the early days, and THEN you can do what you like with it. We'll agree to disagree on that one - just google "li-ion memory effect" to see what I mean. Li-ions don't suffer from memory effect and therefore do not need re-conditioning. I'll now let every one get back on topic! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b0x Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 This is one of the more interesting topics of recent and considering lots of people are having battery issues i figure i'll throw in my 2cents. On a side note, we are still talking about charging batteries even if we are discussing the ghost effect on li-ions so i feel we're within the topic :lol: I too, fully understand the technicalities of no ghosting on the li batteries however firmly believe a good 3 full charge / discharge cycles to a new battery will leave you with a better battery in the long run. Whether this is superstition or not i don't know but i've had excellent performance from all my batteries in the past, up to 2 weeks of my 6310i and i've had 2 and 3/4 days use out of my e200 before it turned itself off with phonecalls / texting / gaming however my friends with similar phones, who havent been as careful have not has as good a fortune with their respective devices. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shadamehr Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 We'll agree to disagree on that one - just google "li-ion memory effect" to see what I mean. Li-ions don't suffer from memory effect and therefore do not need re-conditioning. I'll now let every one get back on topic! :lol: Mmm... We'll have to disagree even more then Matt... As I am all too aware that li-ions don't suffer memory loss in the way Nickel Metal Hydride (Ni-MH) batteries do. Lithium Polymer batteries such as my 6310i one are also free from this effect. BUT... No one ever argued that the first charge/couple of charges, of a NEW battery were not importnat. And having carefully just re-read through my posts on this thread, if you look at my first thread about this, you will see that at no point did I mention RE-conditioning. I specifically used the word CONDITIONING - as I was clearly referring to the first couple of charges of a new battery, and how doing these properly, irrespective of chemical type, is beneficial. So as I never mentioned RE-conditioning, I don't really need to go Googling. But I can refer you to many a Google link that discusses the benefits of carefully charging a new battery the first few times. Hope that helps clarify, because getting my rating upped from Newbie to Regular, certainly doesn't give me any right to be high and mighty, so I hope you don't see it that way. Besides, my entire post was about how the fact that the battery is li-ion, has nothing to do with whether or not it can be drained. Cheers again mate. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kallisti Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Just a reply to shadamehr first comment. Lithium ION batteries have some very explosive and general self destructive features. First is that if you overcharge them they will simply melt or explode. Hence the protection circuit. However also if you allow them to fall below a certain voltage output, they'll be rendered useless. SO, if nokias do indeed have that feature, it's either really bad design, or a design feature that actually DOES have a protection circuit, just one that is set very low. For more details on lithium ion, it's about ALL electric model aircraft fliers talk about these days :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FragMeister Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 ...many of us modified our original SPV cradles to do this over the last year. What modification is requried to allow the cradle to charge direct from the USB for the Original SPV cradle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pagemakers Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 E200 CAN charge without the 'charger' being plugged into the cradle, PROVIDED of course that the PC is switched on. . My E200 charges from the USB port with my PC off, no power cable and no connection to a USB hub. I guess my USB ports are hot wired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tooney Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 What modification is requried to allow the cradle to charge direct from the USB for the Original SPV cradle? Just have to connect power connector to usb connector inside the cradle. 1 solder point but it is quite small. Details were on this site -> http://w3.ridingzone.com/jc/usb.htm but it seems to be down at the mo, dunno if anyone saved the pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BYM Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 Just have to connect power connector to usb connector inside the cradle. 1 solder point but it is quite small. Details were on this site -> http://w3.ridingzone.com/jc/usb.htm but it seems to be down at the mo, dunno if anyone saved the pics. Ddesperatley seeking BYM here , i'm in need of those pics because i bought a second charger for my SPV :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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