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i600: the vapour clears.

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guess what i played with at the local Verizon shop here in teh states today.

no. really. guess.

TEH i600 YOU FOO!

ok, it was a dummy phone of it, but they finally recognized the phone, and im going to attach the litterature they were giving out on the phone. looks good. feels good. and its FINALLY not VAPOUR. wow. should be out in the next month.

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True, if they lost the aerial and designed a keppad similar to the 8390, and upgraded to WM2k3 thats a nice phone :)

Excuse my ignorance but if it has a fairly fast processor and 32mb of ram, why isnt it able to run the WM2k3 ?

SpaceCowboy

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Excuse my ignorance but if it has a fairly fast processor and 32mb of ram, why isnt it able to run the WM2k3 ?

Where does it say it cannot run 2003?

With the specs listed it should be possible as far as I'm aware.

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Where does it say it cannot run 2003?

With the specs listed it should be possible as far as I'm aware.

But why not just state that in the spec. sheet? Something like "upgradeable to Windows Mobile 2003" ? Or maybe its the fact they CANT, hence the fact 2002 is the OS?

SpaceCowboy

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Not a good argument there :)

Maybe the fact that 2003 was not released when that advert was made?

There are a lot of what ifs

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Not trying to argue - nothing to argue about mate. All I was enquring was why the newer OS wasnt in there in the first place :(

No harm done and as always - time will tell :)

SpaceCowboy

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Anyone heard of the "Voice Signal" software before? Sounds interesting - something that the SPV was always missing. Wonder if this is anything like the Fonix Voice Dial...

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I'm currently using Voice Signal on the Samsung Pocket PC Phone Edition(i700).

I have to say that it is really good. You don't even need to train it. (barely). It works rigght out of the box.

The first time you open the program, it goes thru all of your contacts.

Then you get a clear female voince saying:

"Please say a command". Your choices are:

-Digit Dial

-Name Dial

-Quick Dial

-Name Lookup

-Open

Digit Dial....dials stated numbers.

Name Dial....dials stated contact's number

Quick Dial....dials predefined QUICK contact numbers (ie....Melissa...will call Melissa Kelly at her mobile number!)

Name Lookup....same as Name Dial but just opens the contact information.

Open....Opens a program in on your phone. (from a list you define)

When you press a predefined button (Dont know if we'll be able to do this on the phone....I use my record button on the PPCPE.):

Female Voice: Please say a command

User: Name Dial

Female Voice: Please say the name

User: Nick Cornaglia

Female Voice: Did you say....Nick Cornaglia?

User: Yes (If NO...it will give two other options)

Female Voice: Dialing

I've heard from Jenneth at Jenneth.info that the US Version even understood her Australian Accent. I would still say you need to pronounce some funky names phonetically unless you train them individually which is an option for those names that dont quite roll off the tongue.

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I actually don't mind the design. I've held one and it is a little bit chunky, but it has been a while in the making (I held one of these babies before we even KNEW about the MiTAC, lol!)

I'm really hoping these sell by the bucketload and Samsung produce a successor, I suspect THAT would be a tasty bit of kit!

:)

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They have a nice looking line-up of phones too. I'm surprised they went with this style. Like you said....it's been a long time coming. Probably based off the original wood and resin model!

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Does anyone know what methods are available for text entry? In pictures of the phone I have not seen any evidence of a stylus. I'm not a big fan of entering text with the phone keypad.

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Bet your bottom dollar that there is no stylus and no touch screen.

Text entry on Smartphones is limited to keypad entry using tap typing and T9.

The upcoming Sierra Wireless VOQ is the only Smartphone that breaks the mold by offering a flip open thumbboard keyboard.

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Does anyone have comments about text entry using T-9? How good is the dictionary?

PS -- there will also be an optional keyboard which can be attached to the phone for full-fledged typing

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as with all MS smartphones I know of, it does not have a touch screen and stylus. I actually prefer this because you can navigate the entire system with one hand and the 5 way navigator. If you enter a lot of data maually into your mobile device, you may not like it. But for me, who mostly looks up data as opposed to entering while away from my desktop, it works out nicely.

Posted from my SmartPhone!

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Does anyone know what methods are available for text entry?  In pictures of the phone I have not seen any evidence of a stylus.  I'm not a big fan of entering text with the phone keypad.

Smartphone don't have touch screens. It's part of the specs from Microsoft.

Some smartphones have a small foldable keyboard (e.g. voq from sierra wireless, available nextr year).

If you want a touch screen, then you should get a Pocket PC Phone edition.

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Smartphone don't have touch screens. It's part of the specs from Microsoft.

Some smartphones have a small foldable keyboard (e.g. voq from sierra wireless, available nextr year).

If you want a touch screen, then you should get a Pocket PC Phone edition.

For all the negative things about this phone I posted in other areas, e.g. HoFo, the positives are as follows:

Phone size and style: I think it looks great and is a good small size factor. Side by side it's not much bigger than the small phones (LG VX6000 is a half inch smaller) and MUCH smaller than the i700 and PPC devices. The phone is made of a metal exterior, smooth and modern art looking. Great if you are corporate! It weighs a drop more. The antenna? Most need one to get decent reception and only the Nokia didn't have one and the reception sucks.

Typing: I'll admit that T9 is way better than I thought. It works pretty well and I would say the device is mostly for short emails and the like, not serious doc editing or creation. I'd get the external keyboard and will try the Sprint one I got for the samsung. My only question is driver availability but I have no doubt this can be obtained.

Other than that I'll say the phone comes with the most crude, embarrasingly basic apps I have ever seen that make Palm OS 3 look light years ahead. There is no Notepad sync or application whatsoever. The Tasks application is so bad that words do not wrap and there are NO OPTIONS whatsoever -- you can make font smaller, have text wrap, nor can you even scroll to see the rest of the text!!!! No scroll bar!!! It looks like 2002 was sent out in MEGA haste and in my mind, is a real POS. There are other bugs that afflict this phone -- the caller ID bug which afflicts ALL Smartphones. Have more than 25-50 contacts? Caller ID will not work and you will see a picture of a telephone ringing on the external display, no phone number, which was the point of the whole external display in the first place. Pathetic.

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I agree with many of your positives.

As far as the negatives on the OS....remember that this is not a full PDA. So comparing to the PalmOS or PocketPC OS is not really fair as the device is a phone first. And the best phone OS in my opinion....I think you'll agree.

I think MS thought people would just carry info on the phone and edit only when at their pc. I believe they didnt think that people would replace their PDAs with the phone.

2003 fixes many of the bugs...but not all of them. Hopefully, MS will beef up the OS a bit more and give us all of the things we have been asking for for over a year.

With all it's faults...I prefer it over a PDA anyday. Over the PocketPC Phones because of size. Over Palm because I just hate the Palm OS.

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I agree with many of your positives.

As far as the negatives on the OS....remember that this is not a full PDA. So comparing to the PalmOS or PocketPC OS is not really fair as the device is a phone first. And the best phone OS in my opinion....I think you'll agree..

Hmmm.... Heck, it ain't even a phone OS -- it cannot even do caller ID!!!! It also does not allow you to (1) specify a certain ring to a contact/number (2) specify a ring if a number is displayed or for a restricted call!!! This stuff was on OLD phones and caller ID is ANCIENT. The fact that the items in the OS can't be reordered... please. This looks like a bad excuse to continue WinCE which was out in the 1990s and was more advanced than this and used like 4-8MB of member for the whole device. You haven't given me one reason why it's the best phone OS... to be honest! You can play MP3s in your phone. Great...

I think MS thought people would just carry info on the phone and edit only when at their pc. I believe they didnt think that people would replace their PDAs with the phone..
Ah... then exactly what is this phone supposed to be? One that you can play better games and has an MP3 player? That seems to be about it. Nobody is asking for a PDA replacement. All they wanted was a slight improvement in the basic phonebook, datebook and tasks functionality we had on our crappy old phones.

2003 fixes many of the bugs...but not all of them. Hopefully, MS will beef up the OS a bit more and give us all of the things we have been asking for for over a year. With all it's faults...I prefer it over a PDA anyday. Over the PocketPC Phones because of size. Over Palm because I just hate the Palm OS.
honestly, I'm not paying $500 to watch MS release 2003 while I get buggy 2002 -- and there is NO OFFICIAL UPGRADE to 2003. FYI, Samsung did NOT have an upgrade of it's I330 nor its I500 to any recent OS so do NOT be surprised if the i600 is NOT UPGRADEABLE unless you see it in writing.

What exactly do you prefer in this phone over a PDA like the Treo600? Honestly, I'd really like to know!!!!

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In the end...It's about preference.

I have owned palms in the past:

Palm Professional

Visor

Visor Deluxe

Visor Prism

Treo 270

But then I found the PocketPC and I never looked back at Palm. In fact...I began to resent Palm because the PPC was so much better.

Various iPaqs

TMobile PPCPE

Samsung i700

The Treo 600 is nice. Sleek looking. Nice features. I like the keyboard and screen and camera. But it runs on the Palm OS...and that sucks. I'm not just saying that because I'm a PPC fan. It crashes more than the PocketPC ever does.

Give me a PPC in that form factor and maybe I'd switch. I am still a PPC fan...touch screens, handwriting recognition, full apps, etc. But I love the Smartphone OS too. It is simple and full featured at the same time. It's the ease of a phone with most of the benefits of a PPC. I'm getting used to T9 text entry and I cant think of one reason why I would still need my PPC.

It's syncs better with outlook than any phone or Palm ever could.

It runs better programs and games than any phone ever could.

The Treo is a full PDA and will run many apps better....but I probably dont need those apps. ANd please dont use the argument that the Palm OS has 10's of Thousands of apps available for it. There are maybe 100 good one's and the rest are crap database programs made by users with some off the shelf compiler.

9 out of 10 PDA users mostly use the devices (Palm or PPC) for PIM only. Most dont get to utilize it for it's full functionality. The smartphone is perfect for them.

Take the Smartphone to the next level and you'll see an impressive amount of software accumulating that is par with many apps you'll see on PDAs. It suits my needs and most users I know are equally impressed.

The i600 could use a camera (and some better looks, IMO).

The 2003 OS will be a blessing for many of the new features but it is still not a perfect OS....the OS is just over a year old essentially. It will only get better....just like the PPC OS. Maybe they even evolve to merge one day.

Palm is crashing down. The Treo is the best thing going for it. Before Palm bought Handspring...Handspring was thinking of changing OS's. Palm will either die one day or change itself entirely.

Not my best argument...but I'm tired.

And again it's all about preference.

If you're not willing to use a Smartphone. Then maybe the Treo is best for you. But not for me.

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In the end...It's about preference.

It's syncs better with outlook than any phone or Palm ever could.

It runs better programs and games than any phone ever could.

There are maybe 100 good one's and the rest are crap database programs made by users with some off the shelf compiler.

Take the Smartphone to the next level and you'll see an impressive amount of software accumulating that is par with many apps you'll see on PDAs. It suits my needs and most users I know are equally impressed.

The 2003 OS will be a blessing for many of the new features but it is still not a perfect OS....the OS is just over a year old essentially. It will only get better....just like the PPC OS. Maybe they even evolve to merge one day.

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I think everyone who likes the i600 likes what the Smartphone OS will be -- but not the piece of hardware that they just bought for $550.

It is a bad assumption that you will be able to upgrade to the 2003 OS. No manufacturer has promised this so don't bet on it. The Smartphone OS aka Windows CE has been around for years and lay on the shelf because it was slow, bloated, and didn't take off. I do like T9 but that isn't the Smartphone OS.

Outlook sync? The fact that there is (1) no Notes app or sync (2) The Tasks entries beyond a few characters cannot even be viewed on the smartphone because of ZERO options, makes the Outlook sync questionable. I've used the Palm and, to be honest, even regular phones now do a decent job with the Calendar and Contacts. SP as it is now is mediocre at its absolute best.

The Smartphone apps that you can put in this phone (remember, many are locked/signed) are the biggest crap I have ever seen that look like they were made on an off the shelf compiler 10 years ago. Games? There are just more of them but what else beyond games?

I'm very disappointed and will need to get firm committed answers from Verizon or else I'm thinking of taking the phone back. If not I'm going to watch people buy phones in January and February that actually work while I struggle with my no caller-ID, few app, limited IE browsing "smartphone 2002" of today. I hope they have some words of committment to say...

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