Guest stevewright Posted February 19, 2004 Report Posted February 19, 2004 MSMobiles writes here: Coming soon: Redmond Decaf - Java virtual machine for MS Smartphone and Pocket PC in one February 19, 2004 [General]Redmond Decaf is a Java J2ME MIDP 2.0 for Microsoft Smartphone and for Pocket PC (one product for both platforms). (on picture above: regular Java midlet taken from midlet.org running in the Redmond Decaf - the same executable - in the Pocket PC and in the Microsoft smartphone) The developer (Dipteryx) outlines how it runs both MIDP 1.0 and MIDP 2.0 If this works well, perhaps it will attract regular mobile users (who have now learnt what Java can do for them) to smartphones. Plus, it should extend the life of the games they have already spent their hard earned money on.
Guest peekie Posted February 19, 2004 Report Posted February 19, 2004 if this programme works it will be interesting to see what java can be used eg the huge list of games for the nokias and siemens telephones , :wink: :wink: :wink:
Guest slvrdragon Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 I believe it is released only for developers/distributers. dipteryx We offer Redmond Decaf for hardware manufacturers of Microsoft Smartphones and Pocket PCs, cellular network operators and distributors. ms mobiles was intending to sell it through handego, but due to sun restrictions on java they can't.
Guest nedge2k Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 So we still wont have java then? Unless O decide to put it in a future update, obviously not the next one, that would be too forward thinking for them :wink:
Guest FRiC Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Both Nokia and Siemens have proprietary extensions to MIDP 1.0. So not everything will work...
Guest peekie Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 that is true you cannot play say a siemens game on nokia .like everything it maybe for developers to start but there will be a version people could buy,i think first people/orange will want to see what it can do before they invest money in the programme ,could have its plus points all those expensive games could come down in price if the java version is cheaper ,or go the other way,only time will tell.... :wink: :wink: :wink:
Guest spacemonkey Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 This is nothing new though. There are a number of other companies with working (or somewhat working) java implementations for microsoft smartphone. Specifically the one that's on the Mio and the one that's on the voq (unreleased so far) So in spite of this implementation being "available", unless HTC or orange decide to license it and include it you WILL NOT be seing it on your phone as a legal product.
Guest Croccy22 Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Java will just be a 'toy' on the smartphone and not really anything useful. You will not be able to play many games from nokias etc like someone has already said. So that leaves us with a developer issue. If they release it so people can write specific games for the smartphone for java, then why the hell would you? Java is slow, always has been. If you are going to program for the smartphone then you program in either c++ or .net. that is it's native language. If you try and release a game written in java to compete against a game written using c++ the c++ one will win everytime. just my thoughts. Matt Croccy22 http://www.spvsoft.co.uk (Still under development)
Guest FRiC Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 Hmm, I'd rather have some simple/fun Java games for my phone rather than some involved action games that don't play so well with the little joystick...
Guest midnight Posted February 20, 2004 Report Posted February 20, 2004 the base code has nothing to do with playablility of a game :)
Guest Croccy22 Posted February 21, 2004 Report Posted February 21, 2004 Hmm, I'd rather have some simple/fun Java games for my phone rather than some involved action games that don't play so well with the little joystick... Just because you program in c++ doesn't mean the game has to be a massive complicated game. You can write simple fun games in c++ and they only take an hour or two to write if you have spare time. It's just that when they are finished they will look much better, run a lor smoother and be able to have great sfx and music etc. Matt
Guest roozbeh Posted February 22, 2004 Report Posted February 22, 2004 but that is not a good reason for not having it..... why anybody think of java as a console for playing games....java can do much...and also code is smaller and lot of things.... i think it is a must for phone when all other phones got it...
Guest Croccy22 Posted February 24, 2004 Report Posted February 24, 2004 Yeah there are many apps out there for java also, but they don't run particulary well. I personally think that effort needs to be focused on developing for THIS phone and try and move away from using slow languages such as java. I am not saying that it shouldn't be released, I'm just saying that I don't personally think it is the great revelation that everyone is waiting for. There are versions of java already kicking around for the smartphone, I tried them, and got bored of all the crappy little applications and sucky games after about 2 days so removed it from my phone to save space. This is just my opinion mind you, and since this is a forum I though i would express it :) Matt http://www.spvsoft.co.uk
Guest roozbeh Posted February 24, 2004 Report Posted February 24, 2004 Yeah and i appriciate sharing your opinion with us no doubt in it :)
Guest verbetex Posted March 2, 2004 Report Posted March 2, 2004 In my view having been taught Java throughout my degree, the whole idea behind java was "write once, run anywhere". However, when it comes to phones, washing machines, or video players (yes some do run java) the "write once, run anywhere" idea isn't true anymore and code has to be written specifically for the device. So because of that and the fact that C++ or .Net will run faster than Java, I don't see the point in developing Java for the smartphone.
Guest gsm freak Posted April 28, 2004 Report Posted April 28, 2004 Where can i download this program?
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