Guest mrdanne Posted March 14, 2004 Report Posted March 14, 2004 Have anyone used a smartphone on a airplane for listen on mp3? Just curious if it is possible to convince the airplane personnel that the transmitter is off? :) /Daniel
Guest ferret Posted March 14, 2004 Report Posted March 14, 2004 I think it depends on the individual cabin crew at the moment, but as more phones with flight mode are released I wouldn't be surprised if companies started to introduce an allowed / not allowed policy. I haven't personally used my spv on a flight, purely because I couln't be bothered to ask!
Guest bikespod Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 i've used mine on two flights now. the cabin crew are a little jumpy until you show them the flight mode in the quick list. the passengers around you take some convincing too. its almost not worth the hassle. Posted from my SmartPhone!
Guest kelv23 Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 I'm off back to Thailand soon and I'm dreading trying to explain the situation even though I've got an MPX and it says aeroplane mode.I think the cabin crews concerns would lie more with other people seeing you using your phone then thinking "well he's using his,i'm going to use mine...". If you do want to use it then I'd clear it with the cabin crew as you get on the plane then try and keep it well hidden from view.
Guest kalinte Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 i totally agree with kelv23. its not worth the hassle just ot show them how cool and modern your phone is.
Guest Will Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 several pilots, cabin crew have reported on this 'when MoDaCo was just beginning' They agree that convincing the aircrew is the key, then THEY/the captain has final say as the 'other passengers' may complain/use phones too. Any comments on bluetooth/wifi on a plane.. a while ago there was a thread about planes with wifi for passengers? or was that my imagination? Best to ask, and always turn OFF when the seatbelt sign is illuminated. Will
Guest TigerNet Posted March 16, 2004 Report Posted March 16, 2004 How do you access flight mode? Can't seem to find it...
Guest kelv23 Posted March 16, 2004 Report Posted March 16, 2004 its on the quick list,press the on/off button briefly and it will bring it up.its either called "radio on/off" or "aeroplane on/off" depending on which phone you have.
Guest spacemonkey Posted March 16, 2004 Report Posted March 16, 2004 Wifi/bluetooth etc is explicitly prohibited on planes. Your allowed to use electronics, but NOTHING that transmits radio signals. It is becoming a bigger problem for airlines to police since it's often hard to tell whether a laptop is running wifi/bluetooth. several pilots, cabin crew have reported on this 'when MoDaCo was just beginning' They agree that convincing the aircrew is the key, then THEY/the captain has final say as the 'other passengers' may complain/use phones too. Any comments on bluetooth/wifi on a plane.. a while ago there was a thread about planes with wifi for passengers? or was that my imagination? Best to ask, and always turn OFF when the seatbelt sign is illuminated. Will
Guest TigerNet Posted March 16, 2004 Report Posted March 16, 2004 @kelv23 Many Thanks..."It's only easy if you know the answer!!" Cheers
Guest Pagemakers Posted March 16, 2004 Report Posted March 16, 2004 Just remember this though! http://smartphone.modaco.com/viewtopic.php?t=97938
Guest kelv23 Posted March 16, 2004 Report Posted March 16, 2004 I've got an MPX200 but i think I might be able to last for the flight without it after reading that
Guest Doh boy Posted March 17, 2004 Report Posted March 17, 2004 Was on a BA flight to Germany last month, where the pilot announced that no electrical devices were to be used even if there was an aeroplane mode. Sounds like they are already wise to the radio off option and decided not to have them on their planes anyway. D
Guest Pagemakers Posted March 17, 2004 Report Posted March 17, 2004 It does vary from airline to airline and captain to captain. My company for example allow laptops but you can not access your CD/DVD drive in flight. You CAN however watch a DVD movie on a hand help DVD player!!! How crazy is that!
Guest pisquee Posted March 18, 2004 Report Posted March 18, 2004 Having no BT or WiFi seems a bit odd as some airlines are looking at ways of using it to give laptop net access to pax, aswel as for more menial things like duty free sales terminals being linked.
Guest siu99spj Posted March 18, 2004 Report Posted March 18, 2004 Having no BT or WiFi seems a bit odd as some airlines are looking at ways of using it to give laptop net access to pax, aswel as for more menial things like duty free sales terminals being linked. Most of the links you mention are over external links (Outside the plane). These are OK because the signal doesn't mess up the internal electronics. Quite a lot of planes give business class passengers access to the net over a radio broadband link. However, this is still hard wired to their chair, not bluetoothed over to them. Inside a plane however, practically everything is hard wired. In fact, I don't know of a single plane that has any type of transmitting device in it. The closest thing they have is a logging device which then 'syncs' in a cradle. Its just too expensive to shield all of a planes electronics from stray signals, so they ban them instead. Not ideal for us, but understandable from a safety point of view.
Guest Gibbo Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 Inside a plane however, practically everything is hard wired. In fact, I don't know of a single plane that has any type of transmitting device in it. The closest thing they have is a logging device which then 'syncs' in a cradle. Its just too expensive to shield all of a planes electronics from stray signals, so they ban them instead. Not ideal for us, but understandable from a safety point of view. The Airbus A340-500 and 600 have an onboard system that supports WiFi inside and outside the aircraft. It has been certified, and is now SFE on all new deliveries. A320s are next. Boeing are developing a similar system which they intend to install across the entire fleet of new aircraft. Take a look at http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/page2639.html Paul.
Guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Posted March 22, 2004 Just to add to the original question, I've been on a return trip to Barcelona on EasyJet, both times I asked the stewardess if "airplane mode" would be allowed - first time the stewardess said fine, second time it was cleared by the captain. My recommendation would still be to check with the flight crew first, and err on the side of caution.
Guest antoni_jk Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Hi there all So I get rather frustrated by the daft "rules" when it comes to using electronic devices in planes. As mentioned earlier in this thread the fact that you can use a laptop if you don't use your CD/DVD ROM is utter nonsense. If any regular consumer electronic device is able to interfere with any aircraft systems then there is a much bigger problem. Aircraft have multiple redundant systems and everything is shielded. I think the problem is much like the “don't use mobiles in petrol stations”. This rule was related to the fact that back in the day when digitalelectronic petrol pumps were first introduced it was found that CB radios interfered with them and thus fuel was not metered correctly. Now pumps are not affected, but for some stupid reason the rule has turned into “this station will explode into a ball of flame if you use your mobile”. The fact that there are cars around with running engines and I'm sure the odd person with nylon underwear that could possibly maybe cause a static buildup which may lead to a spark is neither here nor there! Sorry I had an attendant come screaming across the forecourt the other day because I was on my mobile while still in the car!
Guest Gibbo Posted March 26, 2004 Report Posted March 26, 2004 Hi there all So I get rather frustrated by the daft "rules" when it comes to using electronic devices in planes. As mentioned earlier in this thread the fact that you can use a laptop if you don't use your CD/DVD ROM is utter nonsense. If any regular consumer electronic device is able to interfere with any aircraft systems then there is a much bigger problem. Aircraft have multiple redundant systems and everything is shielded. Was chatting to the folks who did the EMI testing for WiFi for Airbus and Boeing. Apparently WiFi is no problem, but many of the laptops they tried did generate radiation in the "not allowed" range without the Wifi turned on. The general feeling was that mobile phones are also fine, it's more to do with business issues, and the effect on the ground stations of 200 airborne mobiles moving between cells at high speeds. Pico cells are coming though, which will solve the problem. Paul.
Guest antoni_jk Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 Hi Paul So just out of interest can you get any info from your friends re the actual legislation regarding radiation emission plains? What specific radiation is not allowed and why? On the subject of the base stations getting upset with phones moving at speed, isn't GSM capable of handling a moving phone up to about 200mph (I'm sure I read it some where). Once you are at altitude and higher speeds would you still get a signal from the ground? I was under the impression that base stations pointed at a downward angle? Sorry for the 20 questions! Thanks in advance Antoni
Guest Gibbo Posted April 2, 2004 Report Posted April 2, 2004 Hi Paul So just out of interest can you get any info from your friends re the actual legislation regarding radiation emission plains? What specific radiation is not allowed and why? On the subject of the base stations getting upset with phones moving at speed, isn't GSM capable of handling a moving phone up to about 200mph (I'm sure I read it some where). Once you are at altitude and higher speeds would you still get a signal from the ground? I was under the impression that base stations pointed at a downward angle? Sorry for the 20 questions! Thanks in advance Antoni There is an RTCA guideline which basically states that mobile phones are OK on any aircraft (I'm talking airliners here) made after 1990 (within certain power output limits). Previous to this I believe there were some problems specifically with smoke alarms and fuel sensors. I believe the general problem with base stations is that they take around 20 seconds to hand off a call, and an aircaft moving at ~800km/h is moving too fast. There are lots of other issues, this is more complex than the simplified issues I've stated above, but not insurmounable. Paul.
Guest cookan Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 I'd like to see American Airlines ever agree to it !...my wife and 4 month old couldn't even sit up with me in 1st the other week, even tho each seat has a spare otaman seat...Security Risk apparently. When I discussed this with them I heard another steward pick up the phone and say "we have a situation here" to someone unknown... I can imagine being cuffed to the paper trolley if I so much as said the word 'modile phone' mid-flight on AA. Ant.
Guest Palindrome Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 Personally, when I'm a few thousand feet in the air, I'd rather be anal about making sure there's not even the slightest chance that anything's gonna throw the plane's electronics into a situation were my E200 needs parachute functionallity.
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