Source Code for DCT3/4 Calc

[Guest badboy4life]

Hope this helps someone code a free unlock program, I'm guessing its what you need, butt haveen't downloaded it. If i shouldn't be linking to this site then mods feel free to remove link.

http://thissitesucks.org/forums/t60683/h/s.html

[Guest schriss]

Why bother, so many free online calculators...

http://www.uniquephones.com/unlock/index.php

http://thissitesucks.org/free-nokia-unlock-codes/

http://www.gsmhelp.info/unlock.htm

[Guest McHale]

I think he means for the PPC or smartphone. There are several phone/java calcs out there, there's a ton of PC apps, but there isn't a smartphone or PPC app yet.

Hey, I agree with you. I'm amazed that someone would take freely available source code and sell the software just because he compiled it. I'm willing to bet he didn't 1/2 his price on it because it's a hot seller.

And I'm sure this thread will be closed now. Anytime someome critices his actions and his trying to charge for free software, the thread gets closed. You can only sit and rip on companies like Microsoft for charging for Smartphone version of PocketStreets apparently.

not very community-like if you ask me.

-Mc

[Guest squall]

florin doesn't just take freely available source code and compile it, he has permission from the original developer.

There are free versions of the software available from the web, but why do you say its unreasonable to charge for an application that the developer has written for a different platform?

Regarding the sim unlockers people seem to forget that florin was not the only person to offer sim unlock services for the e200, the other version cost in the region of $60 (or was it £60) anyway it was alot more expensive and not as reliable.

Do you not think it better to have the option to pay £20 than to have to pay $60?

Of course ideally everything in life would be free, but just because something isnt it doesnt give you the right to complain its not free, if you dont want to pay for it dont use it simple as that. Thing is it is a valuable service, worth £20 of anyones money!

Maybe it would help to look at this in a different way, if this was a game, and you encouraged someone to crack it etc then that would be warez, which most people on this site would not tolerate.

Florins a developer, more than that, he is probably the best software developer/security expert currently involved with the smartphone platform, being realistic you wont attract people like that without there being a potential for profit in there releases.

[Guest McHale]

1 - as far as e200 is concerned, I have no problem him charging to unlock it. Same as the Motorolas. Nobody has cracked those yet so if you want them unlocked, you have to pay.

2 - Florin isn't the developer that figured out the DCT3 or DCT4 unlock calcualtion. Those were published online a LONG Time ago (as well as DCT2, Siemens, Panasonic, and many others). Those were put on the web so people could use them to develop good software to ensure the information would be out there and be free. Otherwise, why would the source code be out there unless it was stolen.

Permission? Yah... I believe it... :roll:

3- Unlocking cell phones isn't perfectly legal or moral you know. Those locks are in place to make sure the wireless company gets the money out of you to cover the phone. Otherwise, people would go to um... let's see... AT&T and get an MPx200 for 150 bucks, cancel in 20 days and use it on T-Mobile. Oh wait, people did that. So if taking someone else's "hack" and selling it to unlock a phone that isn't supposed to be unlocked is your idea of a moralized application, then someone should be able to disassemble someone else's program, make changes and sell it as their own. He merely used the source to do it.

4 - Florin may have contributed a lot to the smartphone community, but I saw his programs on his site. And um... well, a dice game? That's in every C text book I ever read. And the rest are REAL basic math calculations. I have to say, those didn't impress me much. "He is probably the best software developer/security expert currently involved with the smartphone platform" - I highly highly doubt that.

-Mc

[Guest theodotcom]

McHale what do u have against florin, quiet simply if u don't want it don't buy it, its as simple as that. Don't just moan about it, If you know c you now have the source code so make yourself one.

[Guest squall]

i do believe florin has permission from the original dct3 & 4 writer, and as far as his contrabutions to the smartphone market i dont think you know very much at all of you think they are the only projects he has been involved with true not all are public, but i have not seen anyone else with the same skills as him on any smartphone site, even in the newsgroup when the smartphone first was released

[Guest McHale]

McHale what do u have against florin, quiet simply if u don't want it don't buy it, its as simple as that. Don't just moan about it, If you know c you now have the source code so make yourself one.

I have no problems with Florin. I have a problem with someone taking a free utility and selling it.

When someone downloads MAME and burns it to CDR with game ROMS and sells them on eBay, I have a problem. Sure, if you don't like it, don't buy it. But what does that do to the MAME scene? How do the authors of MAME feel? What about the legality of selling commerical ROMS that you don't own the rights to?

This is the EXACT SAME THING. It's B.S. and unless you're going to stick up for him regardless, you would agree.

He DOES NOT have permission from the person who cracked the DCT3 or the OTHER person who cracked the DCT4. Since anybody who wanted to figure out who actually cracked them and released them could do a simple search on Google, it wouldn't have been hard to ask permission to sell it. But I know for a fact he did not.

THAT'S MY PROBLEM.

I have had my own stuff taken from public doman and sold by someone else. It torks me off because suddenly, people start thinking that I didn't actually do the work because someone else is selling it. Dumb people assume that since you are selling it, you are the owner to the rights. They also assume since I'm NOT selling it, I'm not the owner to the rights.

If he took the NT source code which was stolen and put on the web and he recompiled it should he be able to sell it? Maybe "all rights reserved" means something else where you guys come from.

-Mc

[Guest squall]

why are you so sure florin didnt crack it first? I have good reason to believe that he did, and he has alot more credibility than you in the smartphone community.

If you are going to make accusations like that can you offer any evidence? Somehow i doubt you will be able to....

[Guest McHale]

DCT3 and DCT4 ISN'T smartphone. It's Nokia (and not even Nokia smartphone). So if he's WIZ at MS Smartphone stuff, when did he branch out to old Nokia phones?

http://www.unlockme.co.uk/unlockme.html

If you bother to go there, it explains that MONO cracked DCT3

http://www.unlockme.co.uk/codesexplained.html

DCT4 was cracked by jozso

As I stated before, I *KNOW* those guys as I am a Motorola cell phone contributor and he did not ask for permission to use their code.

So Squall, there's your evidence if you choose to read it or you can go on making stupid comments without knowing what you're talking about. Why don't you look before you leap, "why are you so sure florin didnt crack it first? I have good reason to believe that he did."

unlockme.co.uk is the best known website for unlocking phones and I didn't see florin's name mentioned anyplace. Go ahead, do a search. Now if he used a different name for cracking DCT3 and a different name for cracking DCT4 and a different name for the smartphone software, you have me there...

Jeesh... some people just NEVER learn...

-Mc

[Guest squall]

DCT3 and DCT4 ISN'T smartphone.  It's Nokia (and not even Nokia smartphone).

yeah no kidding

Florin has stated on more than one occasion on modaco he worked with the person who developed the unlock, a romainian friend of his...

As florin pointed out to you HERE the JIC unlocker was put together by his friend in 1997 and the version on unlockme.co.uk has a copyright of 1998.

To me this backs up florins account.

For all the posts you have made about florin and his programs you have failed to do more than just repeat yourself, I see no reason to doubt florin from anything you have said.

I dont know what you have against florin, but it seems not to be based on actual wrong doing by florin.

Anyway we are getting away from the original subject which was this:

Does florin have the right to sell the product.

If florin has seeked permission from the other partys involved in its development then with out doubt yes. If he has as you say taken freely available source code and changed it for sale then whether he had the right to do this would depend on the writers terms and conditions of release, and whether he had stated the code must be distributed freely.

[Guest McHale]

Does florin have the right to sell the product.  

If florin has seeked permission from the other partys involved in its development then with out doubt yes. If he has as you say taken freely available source code and changed it for sale then whether he had the right to do this would depend on the writers terms and conditions of release, and whether he had stated the code must be distributed freely.  

agreed...

and I really don't have anything against Florin.

I was talking to a couple guys over at Unlockme and they were kinda pi$$ed that someone took the source code and is selling it. They (and I) don't feel it is good for the unlocking scene. And nobody there knew who Florin was and they also stated that nobody had asked permission to sell it.

What is more believable is that Florin used someone's port of the program with permission. But that port, is an alternative version of someone else's work.

Hey, if someone wants to pay for software for the PPC that they can have for free for the PC or for Java based phones, that's their business. But I think the people buying the software should be informed there are free choices out there and removing every single post on here that points that out isn't community minded. It's profit driven and that defeats the purpose of a community. If someone can't say, "yah that software works OK but you should try this version before buying it" then it isn't a community, now is it?

-Mc

p.s. and I really don't have anything against Florin. Regardless of who released it, I'd feel the exact same way and would have reacted exactly the same.

[Guest florin_m]

So dead mister, if u realy wana know who was the firsts one which done the DCT3 /dct4 , just drop a question in www.gsmcity.de , the FIRST and biggest GSM unlock forum! About unlockme.co.uk, sincer i NEVER heard of doing anything about unlock software :D

So I realy can't be bother to answer to your stupid and silly acusations, i have much better things to do ;). So If you wana keep slag me off go on :lol: maybe in this way ur number of posts will increase :P and MAYBE someone will bealive you.

About simlock thing if is not moraly correct as you said, imagine you bought a photocamera, but the seller tells you , that u allowed to take only pictures of trees and u not allowed to take picture of something else. So with ur on property, someone else tells you what to do. WHERE is your RIGHTS in this? So when you buy the phone, the phone become YOUR PROPERTY, so YOU HAVE FULL RIGHTS for it. IF the providers STATE that the phone for which you payed 150 USD is THEIR property unless you have to pay the difference, then, YES, is illegal to unlock it cause is not yours! And IF you think that the provider lose money, i can asure you that, they didn't bought the phone at 150 USD :D they bought it at MAXIMUM 100 USD! So allready they make profit on selling it on so called DISCOUNTED price! Why they just not say in the contract THAT the phone is not your property, unless you pay the "FULL" amount for it??

And if they realy wana protect the phones to be unbreakable, how do you explain, that when I asked ORANGE, MS, HTC, to work for them to fix the security holes, NO-ONE sayed yes(NOT EVEN CONTACT ME BACK TO SAY NO!! )!Also before made them aveable to public I reported to ORANGE that i found how to simunlock, and if they want me to help them to fix it, but basicly they didn't care!

I tend to bealive you are "THE OPERATOR" itself . :D

P.S.

Already spent to much in writing this, when i should do something more productive :D so on future post, I'll just ignore them :D Let the users decide for themselfs. I sayed what i had to say :D.

[Guest McHale]

Again, you know not what you speak. What, you think Nokia gives the phones to the carriers for 20 bucks so they can turn around and sell it for 200?

To find out what a phone costs the carrier, find out what it costs with no contract. THAT'S about the price for the phone (there is little markup on phones). When you get a free phone or one for 50 bucks with a contract, that phone is subsidized by the length of your contract (or they are eliminating really old stock). It's called break even points and economics.

And yes, I did work for Cingular and I can give you the cost on any phone you are curious about. When I bought my Nokia 6800, I paid 200 for the phone. That's what Cingular paid for it. Every store has a list of every current model, what the bargained cost of the phone is and the break even point for each contract (1 or 2 years). As phones become old models, that price comes down.

So now you're probably going to tell everyone you know the guy that owns Cingular and that I'm wrong again?

Hey, just because you can compile someone else's source code and speak broken English, it doesn't mean you know what you *THINK* you know.

And if they realy wana protect the phones to be unbreakable, how do you explain, that when I asked ORANGE, MS, HTC, to work for them to fix the security holes, NO-ONE sayed yes

probably because there's a million people on the streets that know more than you. If you were very smart in the cell phone industry, someone would have probably said yes. I *DID* work for Motorola in the fraud department because of the work I did. They came to me. That's what seperates you from me, they WANTED me to work for them.

After Motorola, I started for Lucent in their wireless area in the CDMA1xRTT and WiFi departments. Where I designed wireless networks and hardware.

So anytime you want to bust my chops on wireless, go ahead. I've been published in Nuts and Volts, 2600, Phrack, and been pirated and copied more than your web page will ever receive "hits." And if you have been in wireless as long as you say you have been, you'll know who I am.

-Mc