Guest drblow Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 How much hype do we reckon is going on in the smartphone world? And how much of it actually turns out to be even close to true? I'm thinking about the release of the e200, when this forum, and several other websites, ran articles/posts hyping up the new SP2003 operating system, and how much better it was for developers, saying that we would see a dramatic rise in the number and variety of apps available. Now, I'm not having a dig at developers (I'm sure they are doing everything they can) but it seems to me that the reality never lived up to the hype - not even came near. Was this a result of too much hype for the product without it necessarily being true? Have the developers simply failed to live up to expectations? Have I just missed a years worth of great apps? And how much of the same do you think we can expect with the new SP2003se devices? Comments please ... :D EDIT : I'm thinking purley about software here, not about actual devices/hardware & the obviously over-hyped & under performing phone models - I'm sure thats been covered in another thread! :D
Guest squall Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 I think hardware and software go hand in hand, the more hardware on the market the more developers will want to release apps for smartphones. There arent huge changes in the 2003 - 2003se os developer vise, the main thing is support for different resolutions. There were much bigger changes in 2002 - 2003 with the introduction of .net framework.
Guest Brody Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 I think DrBlow's main point is that the change from 2002 to 2003 provided .NET support which, for me, has persuaded me to develop a Smartphone application for my final project on my MSc. Basically it opens the door to more developers as it offers more programming languages to the Smartphone. We have seen more basic applications imho but its the apps and games that push the platform that are few and far between at the moment. .NET is a good addition to the Smartphone's development tools, time will tell as to whether developers can make use of the tools properly. I agree with Squall that the more hardware that is released, the more developers will become interested in the platform. I attended the MSDN Evening on Wednesday 23rd June 2004 and it was very much a promotional evening talking about the future of the OS and how to develop for it, I for one will be backing Microsoft over the next few years but only time will tell as to whether developers will jump on the Smartphone platform.
Guest drblow Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 the point was more aimed at the fact that SP2003 was hyped as being better for developers & that we would see alot more apps because of that. it just doesnt seem to have materialised & i'm wondering is it because the hype was too optimistic? has it failed to attract developers? is it just too soon to tell? or is it ultimately just part of the pre-release marketing to get us interested in new products, with no real substance? Posted from my SmartPhone!
Guest squall Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 I dont think there was as much hype s your suggesting in this post. Someone made the point that there have been lots of simple apps released in .net Thats one of the biggest benifits of .net, it allows people to learn to get apps running quickly. I think bost serious programmers may still prefer vb etc but im not a developer so i dont know.
Guest morpheus2702 Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 There was plenty of hype on here about oh-how-much-more we were going to see coming the MS Smartphone's way because of WM2003. Kind of along the lines of how much more informed we were going to be thanks to Mr Orange. Just like him, the subject gets put to one side to quietly fade away. Revisionalist MoDaCo historians get to tell us it was never that big a deal in the first place and 'hey, wait and see what's coming'.
Guest midnight Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 squall kinda hit on it there (err, except he said serious programmers use VB????? surely you mean C++?), .NET is hyped at the fact that MORE developers can write software for it, that includes your average bedroom programmer, and IT guy, but he is correct, most commercial developers use C++ anyway, what .NET does is fasttrack potential new developers, give it time, it will happen :D There may be thousands of .NET apps written, but some just stay in the programmers hands never to be released, or some businesses may just write .NET apps for their own use, and so wont be released either. Its quite simple really, the tools are there (and they are good), just that no-one is releasing stuff on it :D
Guest squall Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 spot the person who failed his c++ exam
Guest drblow Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 There was plenty of hype on here about oh-how-much-more we were going to see coming the MS Smartphone's way because of WM2003. Kind of along the lines of how much more informed we were going to be thanks to Mr Orange. Just like him, the subject gets put to one side to quietly fade away. Revisionalist MoDaCo historians get to tell us it was never that big a deal in the first place and 'hey, wait and see what's coming'. :D Exactly! I agree with midnight tho - I'm not questioning whether or not the .NET framework actually does allow more apps to be devloped, just that there doesn't seem to have been much released. Thats why it now seems that there was alot of hype over nothing really. But, I'm sure over time more apps will appear. Just as pity that the hype never quite proves to be true with smartphones so far. Like, I would never be mentioning this if there had been no hype about it in the first place - like, if I tell you I'll delver your product tomorrow, but don't do it til thursday you'll think 'he's crap': but if I tell you it'll arrive by next monday, then deliver it on thursday anyway, you'll think 'wow, what great service'. Know what I mean?? :D
Guest morpheus2702 Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 OK guys, the tools are there, so why aren't developers flocking to the platform? Is it easier to write for Symbian, or simply is it a matter of economics - i.e. more Symbian users out there, I'll write for them?
Guest midnight Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 definitely economics :D we wanted to develop games JUST for MS Smartphones, but thats looking less and less likely each day. The problem is, without apps, it wont attract developers, and without developers theres no apps, catch 22, and i think this is one of the reasons MS hyped it, to try and get developers interested in the platform.
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