Guest Simon Desser Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 I know it's been discussed before about GPRS being much slower since the UK update, but I thought this deserved a new post. I wondered if it was Orange's GPRS in general that was slow, but it is definitely the SPV and not Orange ;) Using the "PCPitsop" site to test speeds, I did 10 consecutive tests on a P800, and straight after, 10 tests on my SPV. The tests were all done within a few minutes of each other, using the same sim card, in the same room. Results:(kb/s) P800:- 33,41,39,47,44,49,37,36,36,49 - Ave. = 41.1kb/s SPV:- 7,7,19,10,18,22,14,13,19,15 - Ave. = 14.4kb/s This indicates that the SPV is roughly 3 times slower than the P800 :!: I know these websites are not the most accurate, but the SPV visibly took about three times longer to complete the tests :cry: (I still way prefer the SPV :) )
Guest midnight Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 erm, what????? 41.1kb/sec?????? i dont think so
Guest midnight Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 oh, sorry, misread, thought that was kb/s as in kilobytes, not kilobits (kbps), so the p800 makes sense, but looks like yer spv aint connecting to gprs, htat speed is more along the lines of normal mobi dialup speeds
Guest midnight Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 maybe others should do speed tests and compare results?
Guest ajb3000 Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 From what I understand, GPRS works by connecting multiple channels together, each running at 14.4kbps (so 3 x 14.4 = 43.2kbps, the 'maximum' speed of GPRS at the moment as far as i know). It seems as tho the SPV is only connecting to 1 or sometimes 2 channels, while the P800 will happily connecting to 3.
Guest midnight Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 well, 14.4 connection is rediculously slow, hell, my first modem was a 14.4 i'm just wondering if everyone has this problem or if its an isolated incedent
Guest Simon Desser Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 i'm just wondering if everyone has this problem or if its an isolated incedent I reckon we're all having this problem (post update) which would explain why we can't successfully stream live media anymore wihout it buffering every few seconds.
Guest ajb3000 Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 ha, my first modem was a 3.6kbps 8) Anyone else remember the days of bulliten boards?
Guest midnight Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 in which case, orange/htc had better get their heads together and solve it quick, they broke it, they should fix it.
Guest ajb3000 Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 only thing is, i have a bad feeeling this 'fix' will be bundled with the cert lock fix in a new update.
Guest Simon Desser Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 Midnight, I know you're a bit of a wiz kid when it comes to registry tweaking! I'm sorry but I know nowt about that side of things, is it worth having a nosey around the registry to see if there's anything obvious in there which could be affecting speed?
Guest ClintEastman Posted March 25, 2003 Report Posted March 25, 2003 ha, my first modem was a 3.6kbps  8)  Anyone else remember the days of bulliten boards? Apricot BBS :wink: Had a rubber socketed modem with an old school handset, ring the number and wait for the tone!!!!! Those were the days!!! Always felt like i was ringing W.O.P.R. EDIT - ajb3000 you would have been about 3 at the time :)
Guest v1nn1e Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Are orange or whoever aware of this. If we can prove this then surely they have to fix it. Otherwise i want my £6 a moth discounted. Actually could we complain and get money back on the poor performance of Gprs since the update?
Guest PhilA Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 ha, my first modem was a 3.6kbps  8)  Anyone else remember the days of bulliten boards? Bulletin boards - those were the days :) I remember when I bought a 2400 bps (i.e. 2.4kbps) modem and I thought it was the dog's b*llx having upgraded from a 1200bps one. I've also seen (but never used) 300bps modems. I feel old now ;)
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 20kbps after one test, then my connection died on the second run as the the internal dialer on my phone hung as it tried to dial out on GPRS...
Guest PhilA Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I find if I use the phone as a modem via IR, performance is atrocious, but if I use a USB cable, things are much better. It also varies wildly across different parts of the country. Last week I was round Harlow and performance was great - collecting mail and browsing the net from my laptop was nearly as quick (subjectively) as using a dialup modem. However, where I live in West Yorks, performance is dire. Using the phone standalone, I can't say I've ever had any complaints over performance when doing simple web browsing, but I've found since the update that streaming video is a non-starter. I just ran the tests from my laptop using the phone as a modem via the USB cable from home and got an average of 20kbps
Guest Gorskar Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Just did a couple of tests: 22 6 17 29 12 3 15 14 18 25 were the speeds (in kb/s) I got (central manchester area - university to be specific)
Guest Big Ron - No Longer a Mem Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Note that (a) GPRS speeds depend heavily on usage of a "shared resource" (i.e. if twice as many people use a node, it effectively runs half as fast) ans (:) Orange are heavily promoting GPRS usage - eg, the WAP access pack (where the GPRS pack gives effectively unlimited use, and the CSD pack just 200 minutes) Around the time of the update, Orange launched the WAP pack with three months free use. Just a guess, but doesn't it seem likely that usage SOARED? If so, then I'd draw your attention to (a).
Guest Simon Desser Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Note that (a) GPRS speeds depend heavily on usage of a "shared resource" (i.e. if twice as many people use a node, it effectively runs half as fast) I understand what you're saying, but if that were the reason for my results directly compared to a P800, then according to your theory, 3 times as many people all of a sudden stopped using a node whilst I was on my P800, and miraculously started again whilst on my SPV :shock: There is no doubt whatsoever (in my mind) that this is not down to network coverage/performance, or "shared resources" etc. but something specific to the SPV.
Guest ndavey1 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I totally agree with Simon. I would bet money on Orange limiting bandwith with the update via an internal command, and when the promotion ends, I think we'll see a miraculous update giving performance as it should be. I used to love browsing the net on my spv, now I don't really bother. Too slow and not enough patience.
Guest omar_g Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I currently use an O2 sim for my GPRS (Rumour has it, its free until June) but it is incredibly slow. Just as bad are my Orange & T-Mobile connections. All 3 sim cards work perfectly in my 7650 & 6610, so it is defiantly an SPV problem and not a network one.
Guest Will Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Did anyone do speed measurements BEFORE the UK update? Or if someone has 'de-updated' could you check.. Nice to know we have a faster phone, but a slower connection. Will
Guest wirefree90 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 GPRS is based on current network availability, yes slots are connected together but voice slots are allocated as a priority, GPRS is not based on quality of service, its always best endeavours.
Guest wirefree90 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 However I agree, the SPV should do a lot better than just 14k4
Guest ajb3000 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I remember when I bought a 2400 bps (i.e. 2.4kbps) modem and I thought it was the dog's b*llx having upgraded from a 1200bps one. I've also seen (but never used) 300bps modems. I feel old now :) Don't feel too old, I'm only 18!! I got into computers at a very young age!!
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