Guest HelloDave Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 I think this may have been mentioned before, and i'm not sure how legal it is, but what are the chances of someone doing a ROM dump of their SPV and saving it so that others can reinstall an earlier ROM if they need to. (And if we ever get an update!) I can't see that a ROM image of an SPV would be that much use to anyone without an SPV - you can't pass it on to someone without the hardware like a Gameboy ROM can you! I was thinking about this because now we can run unsigned apps, and Orange have suddenly thought an update would be a "good thing", if anyone updated and Orange close the cert. loophole in the next update (which is probably all it will do!) then someone might want to revert to an earlier ROM, which is tricky when you've overwritten it! Is it possible to backup a ROM image to a PC, and what about loading one from an SD card?
Guest Monolithix [MVP] Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 I think like other ROM images you are allowed to "back up" your ROM image, under the fair use laws. As for getting/replacing it i'm not sure. E-mail some of the webmasters for gameboy/snes/megadrive etc ROM distro sites and see if the yahve any ideas. As for the infamous update, according to Orange even though they assured me the de-certification "flaw" didnt exist, the update would make it more difficult, although not impossible, to implement
Guest Kallisti Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Even if you did do a ROM backup, I'm not sure you could revert as in the new update the signing requirement will probably return, which will mean you need to have a signed ROM update process to revert (which wouldn't exist)
Guest spacemonkey Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 This is questionable on the sharing side, but it isn't uncommon for websites to have images of firmware for mobile phones available... As to whether it woudl work... signing should affect imaging the ROM at all. The only thing you require is a valid ROM image on a card which you would have cos it was taken off a real SPV. ROM image saving and reloading is all in the BIOS before the OS has booted so certification isn't even involved.
Guest Kallisti Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 But you can't communicate with the bios can you? The update process from orange will presumably start from within the SmartPhone OS, probably flash the ROM and cause a hard reset. Of course, their main problem there will be loosing everyone's settings....
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Just a thought :? If anyone outside of Orange started tampering with the ROM would they be acused of possible reverse engineering? Just a thought, can anyone technical answer this?
Guest HelloDave Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Is it possible to transfer a ROM image easily to your PC though? I heard there were problems reading them, as there was only a ROM reader program for the XDA - I don't really want to use my spare MMC for a ROM image! I've got an SD card reader which I assume is a requirement, but the card won't appear formatted to my PC will it?
Guest JaToAc Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 http://xda-developers.com/XDArit/ this sould do the trick for ripping the rom from sd to pc... i can't try it at the moment as i'm waiting for my new spv to get returned, but when it's back i'm willing to give it a try... would be interesting to backup a cert free spv to sd and get it on an fresh spv...
Guest DJHope Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Isnt the rom image copyright since it basically contains a version of windows, however i didnt agree to any sort of EULA, when i started up my phone it didnt bring up an EULA and say, "Do you Agree?" unless its in the small print however i only agreed to the contract and i didnt think that had anything about the handset in it, i could be wrong?
Guest AsherUK Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Well, if your copying it to your PC as a back-up (just incase anything goes wrong) then I suppose that is perfectly legal ... if however, you were copying it to distribute to others then there may be some copyright issues.
Guest DJHope Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Yeh exactly so distributing it on the web wouldnt be allowed! Its amazing what the "http://xda-developers.com/" get away with, they have downloadable roms on their, no one batters an eyelid, maybe its just too radical to believe that people want to experiment, customise and generally be construtive with their phones without wanting to destory and hack.
Guest aGeS Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Someone in a newsgroup suggested that someone with an operator unlocked phone could dump their ROM and then someone else could then maybe restore it at their phone and this way get a free unlock. Too good to be true or isn't it possible ?
Guest DJHope Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Operator Unlocked or Certification Unlocked? Were pretty sure that if someone who has a phone without certification dumped their rom image we would only have to load that on and that would perminantly remove certification. Im unsure as to the operator unlock. DJ Hope
Guest aGeS Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 DJHope: I wrote "someone with an operator unlocked phone". Would be an interesting thing to try as an unlocking costs about €200/£133 here in Denmark. :x
Guest Arisme Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 anyway as said before in this thread, distributing a ROM image is 100% illegal ...
Guest aGeS Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 It cant be illegal to theoretically discuss these things - freedom of speech you know.... :wink:
Guest Arisme Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 of course not, but distributing them would be :wink:
Guest AsherUK Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 but what about distributing a back-up to someone who had lost theirs ?, as long as they own an SPV then they must of had a rom image, and if that rom image somehow got damaged then surely they can obtain a back-up to replace it. It's just something similar to legally being able to download an MP3 from the net, as long as you own the original record or can prove that you had a copy (even if you smashed it into a million pieces and had all the bits in a bag...it would still be legal to download a copy for your own use).
Guest awarner [MVP] Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 but what about distributing a back-up to someone who had lost theirs ?, as long as they own an SPV then they must of had a rom image, and if that rom image somehow got damaged then surely they can obtain a back-up to replace it. It's just something similar to legally being able to download an MP3 from the net, as long as you own the original record or can prove that you had a copy (even if you smashed it into a million pieces and had all the bits in a bag...it would still be legal to download a copy for your own use). Thats how all the emulator sites work, they just have a disclaimer sayin you can only down load image if you own the origional :wink: :wink:
Guest AsherUK Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 So now we just need to find a way to back-up the rom image and store it for future use (just incase an accident happens with the orginal copy)
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Easy (Thanks Florin!) Dump it to SD, then use 'WinHEX' to copy the physical device to a file. Voila! P
Guest HelloDave Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 I assume you can save the ROM to a memory card using the boot menu, but getting it on the PC could be tricky - I read in a thread somewhere that the XDA ROM reader doesn't work. I think it's possible though - didn't florin_m do it once? If you're out there... ;)
Guest Paul [MVP] Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Good work young Jedi... P (Yoda)
Guest aGeS Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Just for the cause of knowledge: Could someone with an operator unlocked phone dump the ROM so that I could try it ? If it works I will ofcourse restore the operator locked ROM and post the result in here. This is not a case of breaking the law - its strictly science (yeah what-so-ever) :wink:
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