Can I dial a regular ISP with my SMT5600

[Guest tomes]

Cingular, my provider is sending me an Audiovox, 5600. I cannot get my company to cover GPRS (no data limit) subscription for extra, so I'm just getting the regular phone subscription. Can I still set it to dial up an ISP, where I use my minutes to connect to the internet instead?

Thanks!

-Tom

[Guest extravagant]

Cingular, my provider is sending me an Audiovox, 5600. I cannot get my company to cover GPRS (no data limit) subscription for extra, so I'm just getting the regular phone subscription. Can I still set it to dial up an ISP, where I use my minutes to connect to the internet instead?

Thanks!

-Tom

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you should still be able to connect, but u wont use your min. the rate I think is 3 cents per kb. So watch out, because it can get very expensive.

[Guest tomes]

you should still be able to connect, but u wont use your min. the rate I think is 3 cents per kb. So watch out, because it can get very expensive.

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Thanks! It would actually be my company getting the bill, but that would probably not be popular if it gets too high either ;)

You don't know if I can bypass it alltogether by using my minutes and connecting to a regular isp instead then?

[Guest tomes]

SInce noone seems to know, I guess I'll try ove the weekend when my phone should be activated..

[Guest sprocket87]

That's an interesting theory, but I don't think it's possible. I mean you'd have to have an app emulating ISP software written specifically to do that for the phone, and I don't think anything like that exists, or is even possible. I'm not the wizard about this stuff though so I could be wrong though. But you definately couldn't just "Call" your ISP's DUN number and expect to have a live internet connection - there has to be a DUN-esque software or client on your phone to utilize that. If that's possible or not - I dunno...

[Guest tomes]

That's an interesting theory, but I don't think it's possible. I mean you'd have to have an app emulating ISP software written specifically to do that for the phone, and I don't think anything like that exists, or is even possible. I'm not the wizard about this stuff though so I could be wrong though. But you definately couldn't just "Call" your ISP's DUN number and expect to have a live internet connection - there has to be a DUN-esque software or client on your phone to utilize that. If that's possible or not - I dunno...

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Thanks for the response, Sprocket!

Actually (and maybe I misunderstand you here), but unlike AOL and NetZero to name a few, that actually require you to install software, there are some free ISP's out there, that only provide a phone number, and user/pass for authentication. In Win2K for instance, you can set that up easily in Microsofts own connections screen. I was thinking maybe the Smartphone 2003 OS had similar features.

I think the bigger hurdle is (and I may be waaay off ;);

a) is there a built in "modem" that is compatible with what a regular isp has (i.e. 14400, 28800, 56K)

:D is the phone/os/provider allowing to connect (they have gprs, so why let us do it..)

c) even if it works, what would be the bandwidth I could expect. I'm thinking it would be really slow (probably even worse than gprs)

Anyways, I have a free ISP number, and when I get the phone, I'll give it a shot, and respond back.

[Guest sprocket87]

I see where you're coming from, but I still don't think its a go. Yes, AOL/NetZero/other proprietary ISPs use their software as a "front-end" for the connection. However, they are still basically doing a DUN (Dial-Up Networking) connection on top of the basic Windows DUN settings, like you described.

Even though it looks like there is no proprietary "visible" software for some of those (like you said, just setting up the Win2k Microsoft Connections screen, entering a number, username, and pass), that Connection Wizard and Windows DUN suite is still software that facilitates the connection.

Regarding your hurdles (these are rough answers because I don't know what I'm talking about 100% ;)):

a) This is your biggest problem - just because its a phone doesn't mean its a modem. You can't expect to call your ISP from a landline telephone and have it be able to communicate without the modem. That's what its for - modem = modulator/demodulator, and its purpose is to basically "encode" digital serial bits (data packets) into an analog signal, which is transmitted over the phone line, to a receiving modem, which demodulates or "decodes" the analog signal back into a serial datastream.

To my knowledge, a cell phone doesn't do that at all. You can use it as a modem with the wireless radio connection (GSM/GPRS/etc), but that's only through the carrier's proprietary scheme. There is no software on the phone that allows it to do this.

;) Sort of answered above. But yeah, if the technology made sense, I suspect they would have some sort of way to block that kind of connection...

c) Sort of an unanswerable question I think, because the transmit/receive speeds are based on the modem, and since there is no modem in this case... I don't know though.

So anyway, that's my basic idea about it, but someone with more technical expertise can either fill in the blanks or prove me wrong :D

You can try it, but I'll tell you what will happen: It will be just like when you call a fax machine, their modem will try to connect, because your phone is trying to initiate a VOICE call, and has no way to "convert" that to a DATA stream...

[Guest tendomentis]

You CAN set up a standard dialup connection to your ISP under Data Connections on your smartphone. You provide a phone number, username, and pass and it will dialup to the provider using GSM instead of GPRS.

You enter the dialup ISP provider information on the screen that has the options

Dial-up Connections

VPN Connections

Proxy Connections

GPRS Connections

Their is (of course) a downside. Data transmission over GSM is MUCH slower than GPRS. I've heard horror stories of bandwidth as low as 9.2 Kbps (reminds me of the built in modem on my old Magic Link), so it's only really usuable for email retrieval (and only small emails at that). I woudn't count on using it to listen to internet radio as you just won't get enough bandwith. Also, anyone trying to call you while you have your GSM internet engaged will just get put in your voicemail.

Other than that, you're all set.

Edited June 16, 2005 by tendomentis

[Guest sprocket87]

You CAN set up a standard dialup connection to your ISP under Connections on your smartphone. You provide a phone number, username, and pass and it will dialup to the provider using GSM instead of GPRS.

Their is (of course) a downside. Data transmission over GSM is MUCH slower than GPRS. I've heard horror stories of bandwidth as low as 9.2 Kbps (reminds me of the built in modem on my old Magic Link), so it's only really usuable for email retrieval (and only small emails at that). I woudn't count on using it to listen to internet radio as you just won't get enough bandwith. Also, anyone trying to call you while you have your GSM internet engaged will just get put in your voicemail.

Other than that, you're all set.

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WOw, thats... amazing! I'll have to try it here shortly and test! Oh wait, I don't have an ISP to dial into...

...

...but still!

[Guest tomes]

That is very exciting! I would really only use it for downloading emails, and perhaps some rss feeds. No graphics or anything!

Thanks!!!

[Guest igrushka]

That is very exciting! I would really only use it for downloading emails, and perhaps some rss feeds. No graphics or anything!

Thanks!!!

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Cingular disabled dial-up I've seen it work on T-mobile though.

[Guest xda-rocks]

In the UK, most networks do not allow you to dial ISP phone numbers in your inclusive minutes. If you can find an ISP that gives you a regular "01" number to dial, then you can use your inclusive minutes to surf the net and get emails.

[Guest morris34]

You CAN set up a standard dialup connection to your ISP under Data Connections on your smartphone. You provide a phone number, username, and pass and it will dialup to the provider using GSM instead of GPRS.

You enter the dialup ISP provider information on the screen that has the options

Dial-up Connections

VPN Connections

Proxy Connections

GPRS Connections

Their is (of course) a downside. Data transmission over GSM is MUCH slower than GPRS. I've heard horror stories of bandwidth as low as 9.2 Kbps (reminds me of the built in modem on my old Magic Link), so it's only really usuable for email retrieval (and only small emails at that). I woudn't count on using it to listen to internet radio as you just won't get enough bandwith. Also, anyone trying to call you while you have your GSM internet engaged will just get put in your voicemail.

Other than that, you're all set.

Thank you for this idea. I'm sorry but I don't see how I would connect. Should I use the modem that I installed from Motorola using your suggestion. If so, do I need to change the initialization string. Thanks again.

Morrison

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