HTC Trinity = GPS PHONE ! SWEET !

[Guest Perfectionist]

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End of 2006 .... can't wait for Christmas this year !!!

[Guest peekie]

If you cant wait till xmas then pop over to holland as orange nl will have this phone from october :D

[Guest Perfectionist]

Typical !!

[Guest Confucious]

So you WANT a phone that you have to position to get good reception rather thsn so you can see the screen? Why?

[Guest ingster]

[The thing i'd be worried about would be battery life, HTC phones aren't great at best you'll prolly be able to switch off the GPS as with WiFi and bluetooth on other devices, but i'd expect it to bre a big drain on power if not used in car and running from cigarette lighter socket (eg handheld GPS for hiking). So ... i think i'll stick with the M3100 and my b'tooth GPS :rolleyes:

[Guest AlanJC]

[The thing i'd be worried about would be battery life, HTC phones aren't great at best you'll prolly be able to switch off the GPS as with WiFi and bluetooth on other devices, but i'd expect it to bre a big drain on power if not used in car and running from cigarette lighter socket (eg handheld GPS for hiking). So ... i think i'll stick with the M3100 and my b'tooth GPS :rolleyes:

Surely with internal GPS you wouldn't be running bluetooth, and processing as much, so it would be less of a battery drain.

GPS is very low power, it doesn't transmit anything. A TomTom mk2 has something like 9 hours use, and that's transmitting a bluetooth signal also, how long would it last without having to transmit?

Can't see GPS being a noticeable drain at all to be honest.

[Guest fluffcat1]

Surely with internal GPS you wouldn't be running bluetooth,

Bluetooth carkit? Else why have a phone enabled sat nav in the car if you're not going to make calls on it? So it'll need a carkit :rolleyes:

Richard

[Guest AlanJC]

Bluetooth carkit? Else why have a phone enabled sat nav in the car if you're not going to make calls on it? So it'll need a carkit :rolleyes:

Richard

Sure, but we're talking about the battery drain caused by GPS :(

Using a car kit is relatively low power use as it's only in use when you make calls unless you enable handsfree and route *all* sound to it.

But it's GPS use that will be significantly less power use compared to an external bluetooth module.

[Guest fluffcat1]

Sure, but we're talking about the battery drain caused by GPS :rolleyes:

Using a car kit is relatively low power use as it's only in use when you make calls unless you enable handsfree and route *all* sound to it.

But it's GPS use that will be significantly less power use compared to an external bluetooth module.

You missed my point. You said you'd not be using bluetooth with a phone enabled trinity with built in internal GPS as you don't need to pair with a GPS receiver. My point was that as it is phone enabled and you have it in the car you would need a suitable carkit (in this country at least ) to use it to make calls. IF you won't make calls why get a phone enabled unit? Most people prefer the bluetooth carkit option as it negates the need for a specific wired cradle and allows future upgrades easily, hence you would still need the phone to have bluetooth on even with the internal GPS. Doesn't matter if it isn't in constant use - still affects battery life considerably.

Richard

[Guest AlanJC]

You missed my point. You said you'd not be using bluetooth with a phone enabled trinity with built in internal GPS as you don't need to pair with a GPS receiver. My point was that as it is phone enabled and you have it in the car you would need a suitable carkit (in this country at least ) to use it to make calls. IF you won't make calls why get a phone enabled unit? Most people prefer the bluetooth carkit option as it negates the need for a specific wired cradle and allows future upgrades easily, hence you would still need the phone to have bluetooth on even with the internal GPS. Doesn't matter if it isn't in constant use - still affects battery life considerably.

Richard

Nope, you missed mine completely, I was replying to the other user in the quote

[The thing i'd be worried about would be battery life, HTC phones aren't great at best you'll prolly be able to switch off the GPS as with WiFi and bluetooth on other devices, but i'd expect it to bre a big drain on power if not used in car and running from cigarette lighter socket (eg handheld GPS for hiking). So ... i think i'll stick with the M3100 and my b'tooth GPS

Where it is implied his BT GPS will be less drain than an internal GPS.

We're not talking about car kits, or phone use here.

[Guest fluffcat1]

Nope, you missed mine completely, I was replying to the other user in the quote

Where it is implied his BT GPS will be less drain than an internal GPS.

We're not talking about car kits, or phone use here.

And I was replying to you. You said 'you won't be running bluetooth' but in real world situations these devices are mainly used in cars. If you have a phone enabled devices running navigation in a car and you don't use it to make calls, why have a phone enabled device? If you do use it to make calls you'll need a car kit, and the majority of those use bluetooth these days, so you would be running bluetooth....

So, to spell out my point for you, I was replying to 'Surely you will not be using bluetooth? with a built in GPS ' to illustrate you may well just be using it for other things. Headset, handsfree etc.

Richard

[Guest Paul (MVP)]

Forget Nav, I like the idea of walking around with a device that has GPS on all the time, looking where your mates are in relation to you, checking out any relevant local offers / services, uploading your position each minute etc. etc :rolleyes:

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[Guest fluffcat1]

Forget Nav, I like the idea of walking around with a device that has GPS on all the time, looking where your mates are in relation to you, checking out any relevant local offers / services, uploading your position each minute etc. etc :rolleyes:

P

Paul, didn't you have one of the iPaq's? Battery life using GPS on my hw6510 is appalling. :(

I'd be interested if they bring out a device using cell tower assisted GPS.

Doesn't tomtom6 allow you to find other tomtom6 users as well for convey use etc?

Opens up loads of big brother stuff IMO. At the moment you could be tracked via your mobile but the process is long and convoluted and takes days for the telco's to implement coverty for a number - there are other solutions you sign up to but I don't know about them - but how easy would it be for you to be tracked if the phone used A-GPS? Like the US E-911 regulations. I'd be interested to know what else that data was used for in the current climate there.

Richard

[Guest Paul (MVP)]

Yeah, GPS sucks battery life, but it's getting better.

P

[Guest AlanJC]

And I was replying to you. You said 'you won't be running bluetooth' but in real world situations these devices are mainly used in cars. If you have a phone enabled devices running navigation in a car and you don't use it to make calls, why have a phone enabled device? If you do use it to make calls you'll need a car kit, and the majority of those use bluetooth these days, so you would be running bluetooth....

So, to spell out my point for you, I was replying to 'Surely you will not be using bluetooth? with a built in GPS ' to illustrate you may well just be using it for other things. Headset, handsfree etc.

Richard

Do you like arguing or something?

I was simply pointing out the fact it will use less power if you did not need BT enabled for a GPS unit.

You're bringing in all the stuff about BT headsets and car kits, not the original poster, or me.

I don't use them for phone calls, I have a K800i for that, I personally still think PPC phones are useless as phones. Sure, they can, but they are not designed around it, they are PDA devices with phone functionality.

Why have one with a phone? Well I do use it lots for email, web, IM, and traffic updates.

And as it happens, I do leave BT on all the time, it's not that much more of a drain if it's not connected to anything, so even with it being used in a car with a headset or car kit, ths particular device would still use less power with the internal GPS than a BT GPS device, as it would only be making the active connection when you made a call.

Can we put this to bed now, before it gets silly?

[Guest fluffcat1]

Do you like arguing or something?

I was simply pointing out the fact it will use less power if you did not need BT enabled for a GPS unit.

You're bringing in all the stuff about BT headsets and car kits, not the original poster, or me.

I was making a point about not necessarily switching bluetooth off.

I don't use them for phone calls, I have a K800i for that, I personally still think PPC phones are useless as phones. Sure, they can, but they are not designed around it, they are PDA devices with phone functionality.

Why have one with a phone? Well I do use it lots for email, web, IM, and traffic updates.

Why not set up your k800i as a bluetooth modem then and buy a dedicated nav device?

And as it happens, I do leave BT on all the time, it's not that much more of a drain if it's not connected to anything, so even with it being used in a car with a headset or car kit, ths particular device would still use less power with the internal GPS than a BT GPS device, as it would only be making the active connection when you made a call.

Can we put this to bed now, before it gets silly?

Do you have a device with internal GPS? I have - the HTC manufactured iPaq HW6510 running PPC 2003SE.

It also has bluetooth. As I have mentioned above the device's battery life when using the internal GPS is appalling - you can almost watch the battery meter tick down. Using a bluetooth GPS is actually not bad - I've just tried it. So what are you basing your assumptions on then eh?..."ths particular device would still use less power with the internal GPS than a BT GPS device, " - says who?

Richard

[Guest AlanJC]

I too had one of the HP Communicators for about 3 weeks, I didn't notice the drain like you seem to have, I would defiately say it lasted longer on GPS running TomTom than an XDA 2i running TomTom with a BT GPS.

That's what I am basing my assumptions on.

As for why I choose to use what I use, well, quite simply, I like a nice keyboard, and I like a VGA display. I don't just use a PPC for satnav, I use it for full PIM, watching movies, email, web surfing, and some games.

Also, using push email would not really be possible using the phone as a BT modem.

Edited October 8, 2006 by AlanJC

[Guest ingster]

O...K (calls in riot police) didn't mean to cause an argument, it's just that i'd read about the battery life problems on the HW6510 and thought that the trinity would suffer similarly, i didn't mean to imply that the 3100 with a bt GPS was better it's just that i would personally stick with my 3100.

(backs slowly out if the room!)