Guest swissy Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 I'm rapidly running out of Storage Memory space on my Orange SPV C600. I've moved all of my pics onto the storage card but don't know what to do next. Storage position as follows: Storage Memory: 16.95MB Used: 16.08MB Free: 890KB Program Memory: 45.06MB Used: 30.77MB Free: 14.29MB I haven't got masses of SMS messages or emails stored but I have got a lot of contacts and calendar entries. I can only assume it's the contact and calendar stuff that's taking up all the space but don't know how to check this. It seems silly that there's so much Program Memory available. Does anyone know: 1) Is there a way of allocating some of the Program Memory to Storage? 2) Can I move calendar and contact data to storage card? 3) How do I confirm what is taking up all the space? Please help! Thanks in advance.
Guest martin Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 You can manually check the Storage memory using File Manager on the phone itself. 1 Open File Manager and Click Storage. 2 Highlight a directory in Storage and then use Menu Properties to display the directory size. Do this for each directory. 3 When you find a directory which contains a high number of MB's then enter that directory and check all files and again directory properties. It should only take a few minutes to track down the file/s which are taking up all the memory ;) Tip: Make a point of storing everting possible to SD card and keep the internal phone memory free as this is used by many applications like SMS, MMS, Email, temporary storage of cab files, etc. Remember to set the photo and video applications to use SD card memory as these can use up the internal memory very fast ;) Ans another good memory saving tip here :( http://www.modaco.com/IMPORTANT_Pocket_IE_...ch-t231188.html
Guest swissy Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 Thanks martin. When viewing the directory structure in File Manager there is a "Storage Card" directory but not a "Storage" directory. It's almost like this directory is hidden or something?
Guest martin Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 What directories do you see under Smartphone ? Try using SmartExplorer from http://www.binarys.com/default_en.asp
Guest swissy Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 Just these: - Application Data - ConnMgr - dochive - docprof - Documents and Settings - MAPI - My Documents - Program Files - Storage Card - Temp - Windows
Guest Tech Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 remove any unneeded programs and any video/audio clips on the storage space to the storage card if possible
Guest swissy Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 What directories do you see under Smartphone ? Try using SmartExplorer from http://www.binarys.com/default_en.asp <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks. I've installed SmartExplorer but still don't see a "Storage" directory?
Guest martin Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 These are the folders you are interested in. - Application Data - ConnMgr - dochive - docprof - Documents and Settings - MAPI - My Documents - Program Files Check properties of each folder and note the size. Enter those folders which are very large (in MegaBytes) and check the files and properties of any further folders. Keep going until you find the files/folders responsible for eating up all your memory. You'll probably find stored programs, pictures, videos, ringtones, homescreens, etc that you have forgotton about. When possible use Start-Settings-Remove programs to delete anything stored via cab file.
Guest swissy Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 Many thanks Martin. I'll give that a go. Already spotted a few (.dat) files in My Documents/UAContents that are taking up loads of space. Problem is, I don't know what they are (and can't open them) so don't know whether to delete them! So, there isn't any way of moving some of the Program Memory (which is currently just going to waste) into Storage Memory?
Guest vardhanr Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 Hi did you ever get this issue fixed? I have had similar problems and have not been able to fix them. Available storage: 1.42MB Total Storage: 16.94MB Available memory: 17.73MB Total memory: 45.05MB I have a 1GB storage card. The main offending files seem to be: \plugin.txt 6.96M \pim.vol 2.71M All other folders in the root directory are less than 1M including the windows folder One other question - does anyone know how to have the shortcut in the start menu for pictures and videos to refer to the storage card instead of the phone memory? Thanks Vardhan
Guest strafft Posted March 23, 2006 Report Posted March 23, 2006 I think this is a generic problem with the setup of Windows on thew C600. I have raised with Orange myself but got nowhere. Back to the original post, I an trying to understand why I have nearly 20Mb of free Program Memory, but am always struggling with Storage Memory - even with very few files or apps on the phone. I did find that Active Sync was taking a lot - or rather I had a long Contacts and Tasks list, and when I reduced these I got a couple of Mb back - enough to keep functioning anyway. I assume it is purely a Registry entry that determines the apportionment of memory to "Storage" or "Program", so what I was trying to get to was some kind of Registry tweak that changes the allocation of phone memory to take some of the Program (where loads left over) and give it to Storage instead. Had no joy with Orange (surprise). Still looking elsewhere (like here). This is bugging me - it is almost a constraint on using the phone to its full potential - and given there seems to be 20Mb of available memeory doing nothing, one that could potentially be easily resolved. Anyone any thoughts? Cheers Tim
Guest vardhanr Posted March 23, 2006 Report Posted March 23, 2006 Have you tried the Qtek support? or the i-mate support? I have a Vodafone v1240 (which I think is pretty much the same as the C600). I guess you have noticed that applications are never shut down unless you use task manager to shut them. Apparently this is a feature in Windows - they are shut down when the phone needs the memory to run something else. I guess that is why program memory is so high. V
Guest swissy Posted March 27, 2006 Report Posted March 27, 2006 Hi, I'm afraid I still haven't got this sorted. I've managed to claw my way back to 1.84MB storage but it's diminishing fast! The problem isn't helped by the fact that there are several sizeable files which I don't want (such as Orange backgrounds and ringtones) yet I can't delete as they have been configured as system files. If anyone knows a way to force deletion then that should free up another 1MB or so. Other than that, only solutions I can see are: 1) Registry hack to change storage / program memory allocation. That said, my program memory also seems to have dropped from 14MB to 11MB for no apparent reason! 2) A way of moving certain core data files to storage card. 2 files in particular - pim.vol (5.86MB) and cemail.vol (928KB) - are eating up loads of space. I'd try just manually moving them to storage card but I'm worried about breaking the phone or, more likely, my data - it took me ages to get ActiveSync working correctly! Anyone else got any thoughts? Many thanks, Andy
Guest strafft Posted March 29, 2006 Report Posted March 29, 2006 I'm afraid I still haven't got this sorted. ** me neither :-( I've managed to claw my way back to 1.84MB storage but it's diminishing fast! ** yeah you can find bits and pieces, but where the hell is the 15Mb going?! and anyway i shouldn't have to delete the few pics of my family I have - it's supposed to be a feature of the phone ain't it?! The problem isn't helped by the fact that there are several sizeable files which I don't want (such as Orange backgrounds and ringtones) yet I can't delete as they have been configured as system files. If anyone knows a way to force deletion then that should free up another 1MB or so. ** i don't use their files either, so if you do get an answer i'll be doing the same Other than that, only solutions I can see are: 1) Registry hack to change storage / program memory allocation. That said, my program memory also seems to have dropped from 14MB to 11MB for no apparent reason! ** this seems to me to be the favourite, given the amount of free program memory (15M or thereabouts on mine) but I don't know the hack, or even whether it is possible... have sent another email to orange support (lol).. this is the real frustration as there appears to be a pile of memory that I just can't use, for no good reason.... (this reminds me of the laptop i was given at work that was configured to the corporate standard, which meant i kept running out of hard disk till i found out it was partitioned to use 2G of a 60G disk hahaha - 58G paid for and doing nothing.... ) 2) A way of moving certain core data files to storage card. 2 files in particular - pim.vol (5.86MB) and cemail.vol (928KB) - are eating up loads of space. I'd try just manually moving them to storage card but I'm worried about breaking the phone or, more likely, my data - it took me ages to get ActiveSync working correctly! ** me too, don't want to mess with it...and there IS enough memory on the phone, just not the right sort!! Anyone else got any thoughts? ** 'fraid not, but i keep hoping..... Tim
Guest deppjones Posted March 29, 2006 Report Posted March 29, 2006 (edited) ** yeah you can find bits and pieces, but where the hell is the 15Mb going?! and anyway i shouldn't have to delete the few pics of my family I have - it's supposed to be a feature of the phone ain't it?!Have you tried to store your photos on the sd-card? The problem isn't helped by the fact that there are several sizeable files which I don't want (such as Orange backgrounds and ringtones) yet I can't delete as they have been configured as system files. If anyone knows a way to force deletion then that should free up another 1MB or so. no way without reprogramming the firmware as they are stored in rom. 1) Registry hack to change storage / program memory allocation. That said, my program memory also seems to have dropped from 14MB to 11MB for no apparent reason!given the memory-concept of WM5 there seems to be no soultion. memory is divided to flash memory (storage) and normal ram for program execution. That's also the reason why programs need a while to start since they must be transfered from flash to ram. Memory drop may occur because of programs not deallocating used ram. Ever tried Oxios Hybernate? 2) A way of moving certain core data files to storage card. 2 files in particular - pim.vol (5.86MB) and cemail.vol (928KB) - are eating up loads of space. I don't have a soultion for this either, exept from deleting unused mails (in all folders... remember there's a folder for deleted objects). Another solution might be to just synchronize calender items from 2 weeks ago. Bye, DJ Edited March 30, 2006 by deppjones
Guest Disco Stu Posted March 29, 2006 Report Posted March 29, 2006 1. You can't reallocate memory between Storage & Program memory like what you can with Pocket PCs. It simply cannot be done on the Smartphone platform. 2. Those Orange homescreens / ringtones / templates in My Documents can be deleted after you application unlock the phone. See the SP5 Tweaking topics pinned at the top of the Tornado section. 3. Also in there are instructions on how to move certain system files to the storage card. Internet Explorer temp folder (etc) is one I have done and I think Emails & Contacts databases can be done too. 4. The main Windows folder gets rewritten by the ROM every time you reboot the phone so there's not much point trying to delete stuff from there. 5. Unless your family pics are being used by your homescreen then it would be best to keep them on the storage card. My readings are Phys.Memory 21.96MB free/45.06MB total and Storage 7.57/16.95 which I believe is pretty healthy and causes me no problems with running software. Hope this helps ;)
Guest tedwud Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 Hi, I'm afraid I still haven't got this sorted. I've managed to claw my way back to 1.84MB storage but it's diminishing fast! The problem isn't helped by the fact that there are several sizeable files which I don't want (such as Orange backgrounds and ringtones) yet I can't delete as they have been configured as system files. If anyone knows a way to force deletion then that should free up another 1MB or so. Other than that, only solutions I can see are: 1) Registry hack to change storage / program memory allocation. That said, my program memory also seems to have dropped from 14MB to 11MB for no apparent reason! 2) A way of moving certain core data files to storage card. 2 files in particular - pim.vol (5.86MB) and cemail.vol (928KB) - are eating up loads of space. I'd try just manually moving them to storage card but I'm worried about breaking the phone or, more likely, my data - it took me ages to get ActiveSync working correctly! Anyone else got any thoughts? Many thanks, Andy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi I have been stressing about this stupid problem for 2 days and I have had all SPVs to date. My wifes is down to 3mb. Anyway after i had exhausted all avenues i suddenly thought about going into Menu in internet explorer then OPTIONS then MEMORY and clearing TEMPORARY Files & History. However much MB is in these files will go straight back into your STORAGE MEMORY on your phone. I am still looking for the other 10MB or so but this should put you back over 5MB enabling MMS. Hope this is a help. Steve ;)
Guest vardhanr Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 I have managed to get some memory back - but it was a bit of a drastic solution. I did a complete erase of the phone and also removed some of my contacts from my Outlook on the PC. Moved them to another folder. Miraculously, I dont get the silly message again However, I have now got a new problem - the phone reverts to the home screen within a few seconds - very frustrating when you are trying to read a message or look up a number.... V
Guest strafft Posted April 7, 2006 Report Posted April 7, 2006 Hi I have been stressing about this stupid problem for 2 days and I have had all SPVs to date. My wifes is down to 3mb. Anyway after i had exhausted all avenues i suddenly thought about going into Menu in internet explorer then OPTIONS then MEMORY and clearing TEMPORARY Files & History. However much MB is in these files will go straight back into your STORAGE MEMORY on your phone. I am still looking for the other 10MB or so but this should put you back over 5MB enabling MMS. Hope this is a help. Steve ;) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I did find a registry hack for MMS (the first indication that there was a problem with this). http://www.modaco.com/lofiversion/index.php/t234867.html change HKLM\Software\ArcSoft\ArcSoft MMS UA\Config\UI\ReservedSpace from 4132 to 1024. I still think this is something Orange should be taking seriously it is a generic configuration issue, and I don't think is down to lack of physical memory but simply how they have set them up. Fat chance of anything being done though ;) Which is a shame cos is a great phone.
Guest deppjones Posted April 8, 2006 Report Posted April 8, 2006 I did find a registry hack for MMS (the first indication that there was a problem with this). (...) I still think this is something Orange should be taking seriously it is a generic configuration issue, and I don't think is down to lack of physical memory but simply how they have set them up. Fat chance of anything being done though ;) Which is a shame cos is a great phone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Orange released a fix a while ago. Don't know if it came with AKU2.0 or as a separate fix. But it simply does the same (changes the registry). The problem comes with WM5 smartphone since it just uses more memory. Upcoming models seem to come with 128MB flash. There are some workarounds here in this forum. You can change the location of temporary internet files, mail attachments etc. to storage card, so you don't sequentially add garbage to your storage memory. Bye, DJ
Guest Crispy Posted April 14, 2006 Report Posted April 14, 2006 I still think this is something Orange should be taking seriously it is a generic configuration issue, and I don't think is down to lack of physical memory but simply how they have set them up.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, I think so too. I've been trying to add stuff up a bit and as far I can see the file consumption total is much less than the actually memory total - something like 10MB difference... To me that sounds like a memory allocation problem but seeing the problem still exists after reboot I'm not sure what to make of it... :/
Guest John Smith Posted April 20, 2006 Report Posted April 20, 2006 Someone explain me the ROM memory thing? Qtek 8310 Settings--System Information shows: RAM 64MB FLASH 64MB but Settings--About shows: Total Storage 17,94 MB Total Memory 44,69 MB
Guest Villepreux Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 There are some workarounds here in this forum. You can change the location of temporary internet files, mail attachments etc. to storage card, so you don't sequentially add garbage to your storage memory. Hey, Do you know of a way to move CONTACTS, CALENDAR and MAILS to the SD card? Help greatly appreciated. I have several thousand contacts and they don't fit on the phone memory. I MUST move them to the sd card. Regards. Villepreux
Guest conan_troutman Posted May 17, 2006 Report Posted May 17, 2006 i have a strange question I had a mpx220 and have ince moved on to the qtek 8310, i installed all the programmes i had on the mpx to the qtec or rather tried they didnot fit I ran out of memory. the mpx is reportedly 32mb whilst the qtec is 64mb so why did the programmes take up 50%of the mpx memory yet cant all fit on the qtec last two not able to laod memory at 79%. the other thing i noticed as i use rescco toys battery/memory check, the mpx shows that it has: the qtec in comparrison shows: program memory program memory Ram memory Ram Storage Flash memory SD memory SD memory so where is the flash memory for the qtec ?
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