Blackbury Vs SPV etc. Confused!

[Guest thewitney]

Hi,

Can someone end my confusion!! I've always been under the impression that the only selling point of the B'burys was the instant email application. Now this service is being offered on windows phones is there any reason to own a Blackbury anymore?

Mike

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

Not really but blackberrys are used by business etc. If you are after a device for personal use only then a Pocket PC phone with push email may be an option to look at.

[Guest Socrates]

I'm surprised to hear someone recommend that Windows Mobile is not for business!!!

In fact, I'd say it's MOSTLY for business.

I use it for business. Many of my customers use them for business. I've had a few people move away from their blackberrys in order to use their pocket pc phones with their in house Exchange servers.

[Guest lukeap69]

I agree! In fact most of the people I know who owns voyagers and xda 2 are company provided.

lukeap69

[Guest pete_at_raspberry]

Hi,

Can someone end my confusion!! I've always been under the impression that the only selling point of the B'burys was the instant email application. Now this service is being offered on windows phones is there any reason to own a Blackbury anymore?

Mike

Hi Mike

Aside from the push mail thing, at which the blackberry was well ahead of the pack, there is also the TCO (total cost of ownership) issue - blackberrys can be wiped remotely, so executives leaving them on the train is less of a security leak. Windows Mobile 5 fixes _both_ of these problems. It seems to us here at Raspberry that MS are pushing Windows Mobile technology pretty hard at the business sector, to become the de-facto business solution.

Why do you ask? Thinking of getting a blackberry or WM5 and can't decide, or just to get opinions?

Cheers

Pete

[Guest Swampie]

I'm surprised to hear someone recommend that Windows Mobile is not for business!!!

In fact, I'd say it's MOSTLY for business.

I use it for business. Many of my customers use them for business. I've had a few people move away from their blackberrys in order to use their pocket pc phones with their in house Exchange servers.

I think you've misunderstood.

If A implies B, does B imply A? Okay, all dogs have 4 legs. But does having 4 legs mean you're a dog? (Oh, I loved these things at school!)

I think what he was saying was that Blackberries are probably mostly used by businesses because of their instant email etc. This isn't a statement implying the reverse - that businesses mostly use blackberries. Many businesses don't use Blackberries or Windows Mobile devices.

Now that MS has a working instant email solution, I expect that Blackberry will have a more difficult time. I doubt many large companies will switch if they've invested in Blackberry infrastructure - and many (managers, at least!) associate instant email with Blackberry - so MS has a lot of marketing to do - but I'm sure there will be an increasing number of companies who decide to go down the MS route, rather than Blackberry.

(PS. Why did I keep typing Blackbetty each time and have to correct it!?)

[Guest fluffcat1]

I'm surprised to hear someone recommend that Windows Mobile is not for business!!!

In fact, I'd say it's MOSTLY for business.

I use it for business. Many of my customers use them for business. I've had a few people move away from their blackberrys in order to use their pocket pc phones with their in house Exchange servers.

I think you're mis-interpreting what awarner typed. I think he meant ( and I agree ) that blackberry does not really exist standalone outside of the corporate environment and hasn't really been pushed onto retail consumers ( yet) whereas windows mobiles are standalone and more consumer orientated with the business functionality thrown in for good measure. Look as the c550 ' music player' phone - defo aimed at the kids - no 'music player' version of any blackberry device that I know of. People buy a blackberry exactly because they want the push email, and if they don't want that, they probably wouldn't consider a blackberry - they buy a windows mobile device because it has mobile internet / mp3 player / video player etc etc, and most will rarely, if ever, use it to it's full potential. Horses for courses in my opinion.

Richard

[Guest chucky.egg]

blackberrys can be wiped remotely...

Windows Mobile 5 fixes [this]

Well, close but not quite.

WM5 device wipe does NOT include the removable media (SD, mSD, CF etc) which is where most people IME store their "stand alone" files. Wiping will remove your Outlook data, but any documents on the card will remain intact, and are easily accessible (without the use of an encryption package).

[Guest pete_at_raspberry]

Well, close but not quite.

WM5 device wipe does NOT include the removable media (SD, mSD, CF etc) which is where most people IME store their "stand alone" files. Wiping will remove your Outlook data, but any documents on the card will remain intact, and are easily accessible (without the use of an encryption package).

Fair comment.

I was more making the point that remote control of devices was the other blackberry feature that made it the compelling business solution, as well as push email. There are solutions: don't give the users cards (not that much of an issue for _some_ business users), only let them store critical email etc off the card, or use some commercial package to control the content of the cards.

Pete